Carryfast:
Or it means a time waster trying to fill a zb probably 7.5 - 18 tonner local multi drop/building deliveries/retail distribution sector etc etc job who views anyone looking for Class 1 full load distance/international/trunking work as a ‘dreamer’.
I’d class anyone who went to an interview for driving a 7.5 tonner for multi drop expecting to do class 1 euro work a idiot myself
To be fair time wasters don’t generally advertise the job as 7.5 - 18 tonner multi drop/building deliveries/shop work for obvious reasons.Especially agencies.
Winseer:
I read this week that “79% of Muslim women are unemployed” - which of course implies that us infidel white folk are discriminating against them for jobs…
I don’t know where you read that figure of 79%, but either you or that source is seriously misquoting what the ONS actually said. They are quite clear that 35% of Muslim women (aged 16-64) in this country are in work, which leaves 65% (not 79%) not working. Of that 65%, only 16% were “unemployed” (i.e. not working but looking for work), with the other 59% are “economically inactive” - i.e. not working or seeking work. The figures are poor in relation to the female population as a whole but the only people drawing the inferences you outlined are the rabble-rousers whose bigoted outpourings are published in the Sun, Daily Mail etc (plus those who are too hard of thinking to look beyond the pap being fed to them by said publications).
I seem to remember a bit back a story of a company that wanted to place an ad in the Jobcentre saying they were looking for a “hard working, conscientious” person to work for them. The Jobcentre refused to carry the vacancy because “hard working” was discriminatory.
Carryfast:
Or it means a time waster trying to fill a zb probably 7.5 - 18 tonner local multi drop/building deliveries/retail distribution sector etc etc job who views anyone looking for Class 1 full load distance/international/trunking work as a ‘dreamer’.
I’d class anyone who went to an interview for driving a 7.5 tonner for multi drop expecting to do class 1 euro work a idiot myself
To be fair time wasters don’t generally advertise the job as 7.5 - 18 tonner multi drop/building deliveries/shop work for obvious reasons.Especially agencies.
I had a quick look through a hgv job page yester day and most of the job descriptions were pretty clear ie trunking tampers multi drop etc.
Looking at builders merchants delivery I think the main problem is the likes of Travis perking seem to think offering 20-22k a year for class 2 hiab in the south east will get a driver when there’s lots of class 2 work paying 10k a year more.
Reef:
Only dieseldog99 need apply, as he is the only driver living life in the real world… allegedly
wouldn’t think ive ever inferred that my good chap…I just think Tosco type mentality jobs are demeaning…you mght find that its a smaller type firm that just want experienced flexible switched on,hands on type of drivers that will just muck in and get the job done…so if that was the case…and conor type mindset applicants arrived,then would that not qualify them for the abovementioned category of dreamer? similar to applying for a job as an astronaut but not wanting to travel
Winseer:
I read this week that “79% of Muslim women are unemployed” - which of course implies that us infidel white folk are discriminating against them for jobs…
I don’t know where you read that figure of 79%, but either you or that source is seriously misquoting what the ONS actually said. They are quite clear that 35% of Muslim women 59% are “economically inactive” - i.e. not working or seeking work. The figures are poor in relation to the female population as a whole but the only people drawing the inferences you outlined are the rabble-rousers whose bigoted outpourings are published in the Sun, Daily Mail etc (plus those who are too hard of thinking to look beyond the pap being fed to them by said publications).
Ironically much of the Asian population as a whole,not just Muslims,has a more conservative outlook regarding the role of women in society.Which just leaves the question of extremes.While western culture isn’t exactly perfect in turning women from their natural role into an often over stressed over worked part of the industrial rat race.
kr79:
Looking at builders merchants delivery I think the main problem is the likes of Travis perking seem to think offering 20-22k a year for class 2 hiab in the south east will get a driver when there’s lots of class 2 work paying 10k a year more.
Ironically I think that might fit the description of easier but better paid 8 wheeler bulk refuse type jobs v local building deliveries often with a 4 wheeler ?.In which case the time wasters angle has been made even worse by the merging of what would have been class 3 work with class 2.
IE lower paid,lower class work being pushed as something better and then moaning about it when drivers tell them to shove it.
On that note in my case it was usually if not always more a case of arguing about the quality of the work and zb work being passed off as decent work than the money in that regard.That was certainly the case with the agency to the point where I can remember a guvnor at Independent Express backing down and ( eventually ) apologising in a row over me being sent to do a trunk run that ( somehow ) turned into a 7.5 t multi drop job when I arrived and him getting 8 drops done and no collections as part of that. That was obviously when I was too green to realise that the alarm bells should have rung regarding the question of an obvious night trunk operation supposedly calling for a trunk run during the day.His excuse was that he’d told the agency what the job was and it was them who’d stitched me up.To which my reply was great then you’ve got nothing to moan at me about take it up with them.
Winseer:
I read this week that “79% of Muslim women are unemployed” - which of course implies that us infidel white folk are discriminating against them for jobs…
I don’t know where you read that figure of 79%, but either you or that source is seriously misquoting what the ONS actually said. They are quite clear that 35% of Muslim women (aged 16-64) in this country are in work, which leaves 65% (not 79%) not working. Of that 65%, only 16% were “unemployed” (i.e. not working but looking for work), with the other 59% are “economically inactive” - i.e. not working or seeking work. The figures are poor in relation to the female population as a whole but the only people drawing the inferences you outlined are the rabble-rousers whose bigoted outpourings are published in the Sun, Daily Mail etc (plus those who are too hard of thinking to look beyond the pap being fed to them by said publications).
Newspapers in the end - publish opinions rather than facts. Expressing any such opinion though - should never be called “bigoted” unless one wants to attack free speech itself. (Putting my devil’s advocate hat on there!)
Publishing an opinion I have no problem with. Disguising it to give it the appearance of fact is another matter entirely. As is completely fabricating a stated fact (e.g. “79% of Muslim women are unemployed”).
“No dreamers” and “No tyre kickers” basically means no idiots who think they know everything.
Having worked in both car sales and truck driving I can tell you that the last thing any responsible transport company wants is some you cab happy who dreams of being a lorry driver but has no real idea of what the job actually entails ?
In the car sales industry a tyre kicker is someone who wants to make others think he knows about cars, when in fact they now sweet FA.
I am often amused to see drivers on the side of the road kicking a flat tyre as if by some miracle it is not really flat and kicking it will make it suddenly re-inflate
Pat Hasler:
I am often amused to see drivers on the side of the road kicking a flat tyre as if by some miracle it is not really flat and kicking it will make it suddenly re-inflate
I think that’s more of a Basil Faulty moment, trying to teach the tyre a lesson than a belief it will actually re-inflate.
Muckaway:
I’ve seen a couple of job ads with the words “no dreamers…” To me this says "cowboy outfit/run by a complete prick. Is this a reasonable assumption? What is a “dreamer?” Someone who wants a decent wage, to not run bent or simply someone demanding spotlights and a microwave?
Hang on there a minute, when told I was getting a new truck last year, my first question was “does it have a microwave”, not anything about make or how many spotlights it may or may not have. I can assure you, I rarely have time to dream, as this would be classed as inappropriate use of working time
Pat Hasler:
the last thing any responsible transport company wants is some you cab happy who dreams of being a lorry driver but has no real idea of what the job actually entails ?
By your definition that’s nigh on every single new pass! If that’s the case why not just state “no new passes” or I dunno “a minimum 2yrs experience required” then.?
This still smells of “I’m a ■■■■ and I’m looking for fellow like minded ■■■■■ to drive for me”.
Roymondo:
Publishing an opinion I have no problem with. Disguising it to give it the appearance of fact is another matter entirely. As is completely fabricating a stated fact (e.g. “79% of Muslim women are unemployed”).
There are no real “facts” - everything considered “fact” is merely an opinion with a steadfast viewpoint to establish it, eg. “The Sun has a surface tempurature of 6000 degrees celcius” - NOT 5993 or 6030.441 but 6000… Like the £350 million a week we hand to Brussels… Not £353,551,612 or £349,099,991.44p
If a statement cannot be proven as an absolute thing - one can only give an opinion of estimate, which will just have to stand as fact for the time being.
It’s easy to dispute my statement of “79% of muslim females being unemployed as well” - Consider though that “housewife” counts as Unemployed, or “School leaver” counts as unemployed or anything at all involving said female “not being on a payroll somewhere” in general counts as “Unemployed” - which is about as closest to the mark I can get here. Subjective vs Objective if you like…
The guardian newspaper would big-up the same figure to 99%, declaring that any boss who doesn’t employ a female Muslim when a job is demanded of them by the same - is racist, and should be burned at Smithfield… Once again, I proffer an opinion stated as “fact” as far as I’m concerned, but to prove me wrong I suggest the Guardian would have to lurch right so strongly as to give me a windburn on the way past me to beyond Alan B’stard’s stance on the issues in question here…
All in all - if I parrot something I read in a newspaper column somewhere - it’s “banter to be discussed” and nothing more. We’ll never really be able to prove something as 100% true or 100% false at any time. Let’s leave it as “Banter” then.
Winseer:
[It’s easy to dispute my statement of “79% of muslim females being unemployed as well” - Consider though that “housewife” counts as Unemployed, or “School leaver” counts as unemployed or anything at all involving said female “not being on a payroll somewhere” in general counts as “Unemployed” - which is about as closest to the mark I can get here. Subjective vs Objective if you like…
All in all - if I parrot something I read in a newspaper column somewhere - it’s “banter to be discussed” and nothing more. We’ll never really be able to prove something as 100% true or 100% false at any time. Let’s leave it as “Banter” then.
Can I just counter something you say, a housewife is not (in terms of the government stats) classed as unemployed, if she is not registered as looking for work, She will be classed as being “economically in active”. A neat trick to help massage the unemployment figures
I think it refers to not wanting primadonnas that can’t do a decent days work. Whether that be someone that obsessed with cleaning the trucks they forget they have to go to work, I know a few that won’t go in certain empty yards or do scrap jobs etc. Likewise, they don’t want an 8 and the gate type of driver
OVLOV JAY:
I think it refers to not wanting primadonnas that can’t do a decent days work. Whether that be someone that obsessed with cleaning the trucks they forget they have to go to work, I know a few that won’t go in certain empty yards or do scrap jobs etc. Likewise, they don’t want an 8 and the gate type of driver
