Night heater not working worth a VOR or not?

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Yeah you’re right Mr Globby - all drivers should be ■■■-kissers like you!
After all there’s a credit crunch on, so all of us should let transport managers, company directors and the like, ■■■ all over us, and dictate to us anyway they feel, for fear of losing our jobs in any economic climate let alone the current one!

God forbid we should actually expect to be treated with at least a little bit of respect.

After reading your pathetic “when men WERE men” type posts on here, I’ve personally come to the conclusion Mr Blobby(sorry Globby) that you need to GO AND GET A LIFE (and some much needed self respect).

What a sad man you are.

Now i really do feel like i have read it all. Is this guy serious or is it a wind up?
The discussion is about a faulty night heater, thats all. As i said near the top of the thread you just idle the engine if you are uncomfortable and report it when you get back. Even Rob K said the same. If you honestly think you are being exploited because of a simple mechanical fault or expect to park a truck up because of such a trivial problem you are part of why the UK has gone down the toilet.

[globby_480]

ANDY1961:

globby 480:

Lankytim:
Most drivers would ring the breakdown guys if the night heater packed up on them.

Deffo a VOR defect for sure, unreasonable for your boss to expect to do nights out without one.

why is it unreasonable lankytim, because your not tostie warm in bed,
ring breakdown guys? lordy lordy, they would defo be rining the job centre the next morning when they got back in the yard if it was me! that i could tell you,
sounds like most drivers these days are treated like big babies,and pamperd instead of getting on with the job they are supposed to be doing

Yeah you’re right Mr Globby - all drivers should be ■■■-kissers like you! After all there’s a credit crunch on, so all of us should let transport managers, company directors and the like, ■■■ all over us, and dictate to us anyway they feel, for fear of losing our jobs in any economic climate let alone the current one!

God forbid we should actually expect to be treated with at least a little bit of respect.

After reading your pathetic “when men WERE men” type posts on here, I’ve personally come to the conclusion Mr Blobby(sorry Globby) that you need to GO AND GET A LIFE (and some much needed self respect).

What a sad man you are.

READ THE THREAD FROM THE START Andy skirt wearing strange man 1961,stevie,
AND THEN READ IT AGAIN ,and then look it to it and let it all sink in to that numb skull of yours andy
drivers… say i would call the breakdown guys and have it fixed!!
what i am trying to say a boss /tm,does not have to repair a n/heater
it isnt a defect!! a driver may think it is but it isnt a defect, go find it in any rule book stevie “please” if you can then it will go as a defect bosses will 99% of the times fix them to keep drivers happy and to them get on with the job,
if your heating at home andy wasnt working and someone on here!!! called some expesive gas man “corgi reg"d” to come and fix it “with out your permission”" you would be in up in arms “think about it what you said in your post” wouldnt you!! its only the same as above isnt it " i would call the breakdown guys!!
in these time andy/stevie !! you will get the statment “” poss not n/heater but some thing similar" its take it or leave it redundancy syndrom " think about it again"
bosses can and do exploit a lot of people “maybe not a skirt wearing bloke like you andy” but they do,
should you all stand together “” " now that would be fun to see
so in total all i am trying to say andy/stevie you can moan groan , be treated like babies but " “plently out there bosses”" wont give 2 flying ****s at this moment in time, it may be just what they need to get rid of dead wood
most of the above started as a pee take but some take it wrong
stevie i dont use a night heater they cost to much to run

new bloody into the industry thats as old as living in caves stevie that one,
to many rules and regs for most these days to come into this industry

have fun and take a joke

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Sorry guys. I accidentally mistook thread this for a sensible adult discussion between professional drivers

[tranny00]

duty of care owed to you
your death through employers negligence of failing to risk assess your hypothermia

no night heater no heartbeat…no xmas

[stevieboy308]

just to clarify, if i park up on a night and it doesn’t work, i wouldn’t ring anyone up, next day i’d let the boss know and expect it sorted as soon as reasonabley possible. can’t see any reason this would be longer than the begining of the next week. if the boss then turns round and said its not going to get fixed at all, then that’s when i’d say i wont be nighting out in it.

biggusdickusgb:
you’d be sacked you div, what else would happen

yes i’d get sacked, if i then proceeded with a tribunal, whilst i’m not saying id 100% win i’d be pretty confident. yes judge i was happy to do day runs, take my truck to be fixed, swap gear into another truck or kip in a travel lodge and as its the middle of winter i wasn’t prepared to sleep in a truck with a defective night heater that i’d been told wouldn’t be fixed. i think thats pretty reasonable, now lets hear your defense?

biggusdickusgb:
you cant be an operator then, only a person who hasn’t done it would come out with that statement, you employ people to do what you’d do yourself.

do you live in a cave? come on fella, i’m inviting you to join me in the now!!!

i never said i was an operator, nor do i need to be an operator to say what i said, as i know how i’d treat people (fairly by the way!). were do you draw the line - boss says “i run over wieght so should you” / " i run bent so should you" / “i’ll run with that bald tyre” / " i work 100 hours per week every week, with no holidays, so should you" a boss shouldn’t ask anyone to do something that they’re not prepared to do themselves, but that doesn’t mean they should expect an employee to do everything that they do, as its not they’re company.

because of employers that share your above opinions is partly why we have employment law that i feel is so one sided against employers.

don’t get me wrong, i’m not mr do it by the book or mr quote rule book by any stretch of the imagination, like wise i’m far from dead wood! i’d rather take abit of crap for a quite life, but i wont let someone take the ■■■■ out of me. refusing to fix the night heater in the winter is taking the ■■■■ and i’m confident enough in myself and my abilities to stand up for myself. then globby what you’ll find once you’ve stood up for yourself a few times people don’t bother trying it on, you want to try it big fella, it makes for a far easier life

stevie

[globby_480]

stevie stop getting wound up mate, what started as a bit of a laff, is getting a bit out of hand here, there is nothing wrong with standing up for yourself, and if a lot more would stand up for themselfs things may be a bit diffrent,

i was taking pee stevie with the likes of you would be rining the job centre etc, but these words will and have been said again to people through out the years,as you always get good bosses and well BAD bosses , yep i employ one driver thats all, if he needs anything he gets it work related, eg, blue tooth head sets? sat navs?, cb,maps,polish,dusters, etc,etc basically if he asks for something he normally gets it if its work related for him to do the job easyier or he will either buy it out of his float or we will get it for him for when he arrives back in the yard,
he was given a float for him to pay tolls,parking etc so it doesnt come out of his own pocket each day , so i dont think i am all that bad, lol" BUT HE STILL WONT GET HIS THE BLOODY NIGHT HEATER REPAIRED ,TO DEAR TO RUN THEM THINGS let the git freeze daz

[stevieboy308]

globby 480:
stevie stop getting wound up mate, what started as a bit of a laff, is getting a bit out of hand here, there is nothing wrong with standing up for yourself, and if a lot more would stand up for themselfs things may be a bit diffrent,

i was taking pee stevie with the likes of you would be rining the job centre etc, but these words will and have been said again to people through out the years,as you always get good bosses and well BAD bosses , yep i employ one driver thats all, if he needs anything he gets it work related, eg, blue tooth head sets? sat navs?, cb,maps,polish,dusters, etc,etc basically if he asks for something he normally gets it if its work related for him to do the job easyier or he will either buy it out of his float or we will get it for him for when he arrives back in the yard,
he was given a float for him to pay tolls,parking etc so it doesnt come out of his own pocket each day , so i dont think i am all that bad, lol" BUT HE STILL WONT GET HIS THE BLOODY NIGHT HEATER REPAIRED ,TO DEAR TO RUN THEM THINGS let the git freeze daz

fair play big fella, sounds like your a better boss than you are a comic

stevie

[globby_480]

[clarky]

This has happened to me but I certaintly didn’t say " I aint taking that out til its got it fixed"
It is not a VOR defect, it is a defect yes but not VOR…
As others have said get some extra blankets, or rent a lady for the night

[dox]

Stick your donkey jacket on and have a cup of bovril

[macka_packa]

Break something more important like the air guage etc…
(on purpose)
And when they go to fix it
mention that they may as well fix your night heater,
while its in the garage

Job Sorted

[thunder367]

i will never take a unit out if im on nights out with out a heater at all.one lad went out one monday his heater went on him on tuesday was up in highlands where they have a lot of snow for the skeing and it was minus 10 in the morning when he got up with thick ice on the window he was bloody freezing even keeped his clothes on in his sleeping bag.
if its not my truck im taking out for the week as mine is on mot or brokedown for a few days i check everything works before taking it out.dont want to be caught out in thsi cold weather

[pidger]

My two penneth worth:

If your going to VOR a wagon with a defect its got to contravene construction and use regulations. If any of my drivers tried to do this we would be having an uncomfortable conversation pretty shortly afterwards, no mention of sackings or anything, just they would recieve some “guideance” from my good self.

That said, i wouldn’t expect anyone to night-out in winter with out a night heater so if i couldnt arrange to have it fixed there and then i would have them call into somewhere to have it fixed near to a drop or collection point.

I wouldn’t have done anything drastic about it(i.e damaging something else on the wagon) when i was on the road so i dont expect my drivers to either, that said, willful damaging of company vehicle’s is probably the fastest way to get your P45.

Pidger

[napoleon88]

Lankytim:

fuse:
why dont you get a bird to share your bed to keep you warm

I find phesants quite warm, swans are the best but once one broke my arm.

Very very funny

Some of the replies on this thread remind me of this:

uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

Anyway, in my opinion, I wouldn’t do a night-out in a truck with no heater at this time of year, fullstop. I’d give the company a chance to have it fixed of course, but if not and I was asked to go out overnight, then I’d be into a travel lodge and bill the company for it.

Its 2008 ffs - kids don’t work in t’mill anymore, nor go down mines. If that is what Eastern European drivers are doing to gain a competitive advantage, then they can have it. Is it really too much to expect a functioning heater in a vehicle you will sleep in overnight? I think not.

[the_maoster]

I took a load of runway deicer up to Wick years ago and parked en-route at Pitlochry. Turned night heater on and retired to pub where the landlord proudly proclaimed it was the coldest night on record (-20something), had a jar or two and smugly returned to the truck to be met by deafening silence! The diesel had waxed! No night heater, couldn’t start the engine either. Managed to stay warm by shivering violently for what seemed an eternity. A miserable night alltogether.

[v8actros]

Macka Packa:
Break something more important like the air guage etc…
(on purpose)
And when they go to fix it
mention that they may as well fix your night heater,
while its in the garage

Job Sorted

NO OFFENCE like,but that’s proper out of order my friend,it would be most interesting if anyone agrees with that comment

[reef]

I gotta say im totally shocked seeing this thread…Why??..

Coz i just spent 2 nights out in a gobstopper with no night heater how mad is that!

Now then…

Do i think night heaters are an essential part of modern day trucking…Duh…No brainer of course they [zb]ing are.

I didnt grow up in the age of one coal fire and a tin bath and a toilet at the bottom of the garden

I dont get misty eyed at leaf suspension, solid rubber tyres, a plank across the engine hump or a gearbox that banged out more tunes than Take That !

And my eyebrows are not joined in the middle nor do i live in a cave, court my wife with a club, drag her round by her hair or call my offspring ugg 2.

I live in the 21st century with central heating, combi boilers, synchromesh gearboxes, power steering and air suspension.

My point is why the hell should i regress to an age that i didnt even belong to in the 1st place,

If you Grampa’s and O.A.P.S want (or miss) the good old days then good on you but dont expect us that can still touch our toes without grunting or phoning the emergency 24 hr chiropractor to want or except that way of life also.

I lost count of the amount of times i woke during the last two nights due to it being bloody cold (-3 to -5) i was in my sleeping bag (and not a cheap nasty nylon one) zipped up like a bloody caterpiller i cant sleep with clothes on (except boxers) and most annoyingly i couldn’t even leave the engine running (which i would have done in a heartbeat) as its got that annoying Volvo feature of cutting the engine if it idles for more than 2 mins or so.

So what your left with is a dog tired ■■■■■■ off driver in icy poor visibility conditions on the motorway that your wife and kids may be on

But i should just ■■■■ it up and be a man yeah…Just like you would be when you got the terrible news that because of the sake of a poorly maintained night heater the driver fell asleep at the wheel and you wont see your loved ones ever again

What am i a man or a mouse■■?

Well at least the mouse would have [zb]ing sense to find somewhere warm to sleep

As you can probably tell im a little on the grouchy side due to being so tired so now that im back in my nice warm central heated double glazed house im going to bed… G’nite

[fastrantiger]

Lankytim:

fuse:
why dont you get a bird to share your bed to keep you warm

I find phesants quite warm, swans are the best but once one broke my arm.

I was going to loan out my budgie, he’s well behaved and cheap

Tiger.

[biggusdickusgb]

stevieboy308:
just to clarify, if i park up on a night and it doesn’t work, i wouldn’t ring anyone up, next day i’d let the boss know and expect it sorted as soon as reasonabley possible. can’t see any reason this would be longer than the begining of the next week. if the boss then turns round and said its not going to get fixed at all, then that’s when i’d say i wont be nighting out in it.

biggusdickusgb:
you’d be sacked you div, what else would happen

yes i’d get sacked, if i then proceeded with a tribunal, whilst i’m not saying id 100% win i’d be pretty confident. yes judge i was happy to do day runs, take my truck to be fixed, swap gear into another truck or kip in a travel lodge and as its the middle of winter i wasn’t prepared to sleep in a truck with a defective night heater that i’d been told wouldn’t be fixed. i think thats pretty reasonable, now lets hear your defense?

you’d go to court, your boss will ask why you dont have contingencies in your cab for such an event, ie you’ve got all the toys but dont even carry a spare sleeping bag with you.
he’ll tell the court it was a one off but couldn’t be fixed until the weekend although he tried, he’ll back that up with paperwork from whoever sorts his electricals out.
he’ll tell the court there was a 420hp night heater under the bed that you could’ve used.
then he’ll tell the court how your actions put the company and the other 5 drivers jobs in jeapordy and if it wasnt for himself having to leave other vital aspects of the business and drive that vehicle until weekend the business could’ve folded
what was your defence again

biggusdickusgb:
you cant be an operator then, only a person who hasn’t done it would come out with that statement, you employ people to do what you’d do yourself.

do you live in a cave? come on fella, i’m inviting you to join me in the now!!!
stevie

i’ll stay in my cave here thanks, as although i think we would agree on quite a bit, we are a million miles apart in attitude

[quinny]

Unusually,I did a night out about 4 weeks ago,in an 08 plate Volvo FE,down London way,and as it was a reasonably warm day,I never checked the night heater before I set off.

At one of my drops,I accidentally knocked the night heater control on,which is at the back of the handbrake between the seats,and went and done the delivery.Upon getting back in the cab,it was blowing cold air,so I switched it off,and then back on again,and then came to the conclusion that it wasn’t working,so belled up the muppets.

They sent me into Volvo at Barking,and had it repaired there and then.It turned out that the bodybuilder had chafed the diesel feeder pipe,when they were fitting the body to the chassis.

The point I’m trying to make here,is that a good company will look after you when the need arises,and this was a global logistics company,whereas some smaller ones with one gaffer,won’t give 2 ■■■■■ if you sleep in a cold cab,as they will be warm in their 1/2 million pound house,with the central heating on,and the hot tub running.

Ken.