this bloke buys second hand units in the u.k. and eire then, drivers run them out to bulgaria and has them re registered over there and, put onto a bulgarian “o” licence, he,s probably saving money, but, is it legal, i,m aware that bulgaria and romania are in or almost in the e. u. now, but, whats the score with this, and will a normal magnet still do the same illegal job.( being sarky lads ).
button boy:
this bloke buys second hand units in the u.k. and eire then, drivers run them out to bulgaria and has them re registered over there and, put onto a bulgarian “o” licence, he,s probably saving money, but, is it legal, i,m aware that bulgaria and romania are in or almost in the e. u. now, but, whats the score with this, and will a normal magnet still do the same illegal job.( being sarky lads ).
Our wonderful govermint 
put diesel up too much late nineties, early naughties so hauliers went to holland, Belgium and registered there! Then they had to have an operating centre over there and had to visit a minimum amount of visits, for maintenance and such like and Donald ducked it all up! It’s all legal, but a PITA! 
then there’s drivers on here who’ll be working for £2.50 in the very near future because they have no BALLS! 
Legal as long as the do no more than 3 jobs in the uk before leaving. If they do leave or not is open to debate.
As from 2014 its a free for all no need to go out after three uk loads stay as long as they want which will be handy as rumo and bulgy lads are allowed to work here then too , you think its bad now, just wait till they get here next yr along will de rugulation of cabotage .it will be the end of uk haulage and drivers.they will easily undercut the poles!
then there’s drivers on here who’ll be working for £2.50 in the very near future because they have no BALLS!
As much as that? I read somewhere recently that the average wage out there is £0.79 per hour.
It is my opinion that once anti-cabotage rules are abolished, we’ll see British companies, especially larger ones flagging out some/much/all of their fleet to Bulgarian plates for example, then employ Bulgarian drivers on fixed rotating contracts of say 3 months where they either stay in the cab or are put up in cheap porta-cabin style accomodation or such like and then go home for a few weeks or a month and so goes round the circle. Its already basically what Willi Betz does with his Bulgarian drivers that are based in Germany and all other depots. Once a Bulgarian truck can work in the UK for 365 days of the year, why would ND or Eddie Stobart to name but two want to pay the extra for UK plates and British drivers wages. No doubt if this does happen then British based companies who flag out and operate soley within the UK with non UK drivers will still have to pay the British national minimum wage but they wont pay a penny more and that really will be the end of things as far as I’m concerned. Even if the British driver does accept the minimum wage, he still cant compete with the Bulgarian who’s living in the portacabin at the end of the yard and available for work whenever he’s required and doesn’t want things like weekends off etc.
This is only whats already happened to the merchant navy. On what few ships we do still have under the British flag, the deck crew for example are usually Poles or Filipinos and the last Filipino I spoke to on a British coaster was still only earning $800 per month (the same wage as they were paid in 2000!) which is £506 per month according to xe.com at this very moment in time.
The above mentioned scenario has already happened with most big European fleets on their internetional fleets where only domestic fleets have domestic drivers. End cabotage and you end domestic drivers on domestic fleets.
Good luck Britain, you’ll need it.
I will be honest…If I was a haulier in this country right now, I would sell up to the highest bidder, especially if I was close to retirement 50 -65 years of age.
If I was younger, I would be setting up in Romania, Bulgaria.
I feel that they are the only options open if you want to make a profit in the future.
I really feel, not think, that the UK based haulage industry has had it`s day 
robinhood_1984:
This is only whats already happened to the merchant navy. On what few ships we do still have under the British flag, the deck crew for example are usually Poles or Filipinos and the last Filipino I spoke to on a British coaster was still only earning $800 per month (the same wage as they were paid in 2000!) which is £506 per month according to xe.com at this very moment in time.The above mentioned scenario has already happened with most big European fleets on their internetional fleets where only domestic fleets have domestic drivers. End cabotage and you end domestic drivers on domestic fleets.
Good luck Britain, you’ll need it.
Happened in Iraq as well
I was offered in 2008 £32.000 per year to work in Baghdad.
Needless to say I didn’t take it.
But that was probably treble what the phillipino’s etc were earning
If your annual wage is £30 a week driving an old wreck and someone offers you £300 per week in the UK and a nice new wagon…
Quote … ‘‘This is only whats already happened to the merchant navy. On what few ships we do still have under the British flag, the deck crew for example are usually Poles or Filipinos and the last Filipino I spoke to on a British coaster was still only earning $800 per month (the same wage as they were paid in 2000!) which is £506 per month according to xe.com at this very moment in time’’.
Until November I worked for Great Glen Shipping of Corpach as master of their Burhou in the log trade around western Scotland, the parent outfit is Boyds who with a few other cronies a couple or so years back got loads of subsidies form the Scottish gov to run ships through the Cally canal, no longer operating. They ‘run’ two ships who very shortly will be crewed solely by Polish officers and Fillipino deck crowd who have been on them boats for yonks. Bulgarian working hours no doubt !! Our lads basic wage was in that region but was made up to about $1250 per month with overtime (I did their wages) and when they go home after about 9 months they are the lords of the manor believe me.
And their wage structure is hammered out by the ITF, one international nasty union to cross.
half a story
bloke with British sounding name buys trucks
and goes to set up haulage company in Bulgaria
and ■■?
and ■■■■■ his British counterparts, but you will hear him say ‘it’s within the rules of the EU’. the great union to which we all should be proud to be a member off!! My rusty war wound we should. But where is the sentiment in pound notes.
raymundo:
Until November I worked for Great Glen Shipping of Corpach as master of their Burhou in the log trade around western Scotland, the parent outfit is Boyds who with a few other cronies a couple or so years back got loads of subsidies form the Scottish gov to run ships through the Cally canal, no longer operating. They ‘run’ two ships who very shortly will be crewed solely by Polish officers and Fillipino deck crowd who have been on them boats for yonks. Bulgarian working hours no doubt !! Our lads basic wage was in that region but was made up to about $1250 per month with overtime (I did their wages) and when they go home after about 9 months they are the lords of the manor believe me.
And their wage structure is hammered out by the ITF, one international nasty union to cross.
What happened there then? The British Captains and mates dont want to work there or they’ve been forced out? Where are you working now? I know its none of my business so feel free not to answer, I’m just interested in coasters thats all, or whats left of them.
Gone like truckin Pal, treated like morons by shipowners who know as much about running a ship as I do brain surgery whereas most of the Poles who are now here are the yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir and the rest are of the vodka swilling brigade. It would be unfair of me to say my last outfit were the worst (only as I have no hard and fast evidence) but have had my masters ticket since '71 so have seen the change in attitude. They run their ships now like they ran their trucks prior to the public enquiry into tacho irregularities a couple of years ago. Maintenence is a joke and should never be allowed considering the waters in which they sail and we are governed by MCA rules & regs of hours of rest ie. only allowed to do a certain hours of work per day. Forget about that one, (lets hope no-one checks) I would like it if they did. Packed it in full time and bought a little van and do a bit of courier work (full H&R, GiT etc before anyone asks) and also do a little releiving now and again.
Times are a changing.like it or not , the survivers will be those who adapt and make use of the new situation,the losers will be the ones who carry on doing the same whist all there competition uses the cheaper option , haulage is purchased on price not loyalty.
If you think about it norbert dentressangle has got himself into position already sinnce he bought out christian saveson, all them contracts in the uk just waiting for it all to become legal , clever really he will make a fortune thats good business
This thread is just missing… Mendlesham group… Gary Banham… BV■■? 
richmond:
Times are a changing.like it or not , the survivers will be those who adapt and make use of the new situation,the losers will be the ones who carry on doing the same whist all there competition uses the cheaper option , haulage is purchased on price not loyalty.
Which unfortunetely leaves the British driver who lives in Britain completely priced out of the market in his home country and totally prevented from participating in his own economy within his own industry. Scary times ahead.
Another trucknet we are all dooooomed! Thread. Cosmic.
This should all be about access to our lucrative markets or not. Putting the UK workforce on third-world wages will destroy the UK as a market - kill the goose that lays the golden eggs if you will.
ON the continent, if you can run a driver for £2.50ph that makes the haulier a profit of £10ph selling stuff to locals that can’t afford it anymore, because the Euro is too high, then you compare that to running a driver for £10ph that makes a profit of £25 doing the same thing, but over here.
It sounds like the Euro one is making more initially (300% markup) compared to here (150% markup) but the other way of looking at it is that making £15ph profit is better than making £7.50 per hour - because it works back to front in terms of absolute costs/market access ratios.
If drivers don’t understand WTF I’m talking about here, then either I’m explaining it wrong, or you should all get overseas as soon as possible to mop up those meaty £2.50ph jobs that are supposedly going to take over the world in the near future…
Maintaining an inflationary policy in the UK helps protect us from the deflationary evils intended upon us by the overpopulating weak economies too.
Euroministers are attempting to beat us down with incorrectly-wielded deflation in the same way the Catholic Church beat us around the head with the Inquisition.
Getting out of the EU would remove this threat to turn the entire working class population into slaves of course.
Let’s keep the “Serfdom Inquisition” out of the UK eh? 
Deflation is only a force for good when it starts at the top and works down. Lawyers, Bankers, Film stars, Footballers etc. being reduced in pay to £50ph instead of the thousands they are getting now for example. They’ll still be wealthy, but just less so. Some bod on £10ph though will have their life totally destroyed by a downmove to £2.50ph, so they’ll more likely turn to mugging the rich to get by, who of course won’t get any sympathy, seeing as they’d be considered to have brought it upon themselves.
Didn’t anyone learn ANYTHING from the holocaust?
The stated aim of the european union is for europe to become a level playing field , so presumably a driver on the uk will earn the same a s say a driver in bulgaria, i wonder how that will work out? Will a bulgarian be earning £500 per week ip from his approx now £150 or will the uk drivers money go down or prob most likely they will meey somewhere in the middle ? I was at maritimes depot in tilbury the other day i was the only englishman there and was at a factory in cardiff and was prob about five enishmen there from 25 trucks.if you look around and check the registrations of the trucks that go by you,not the trl regs check the truck regs you will see that we are at least halfway to this outcome.how many english subbies do curries of dumfries have now?how many spanish and italian trucks Re being pulled by lt or pl units.currently mainley on int work as 2014 this will be legal to do onuk work. Flagging out to bulgAria now is a good move,financially speaking and this is business not a game.