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My mental health would be improved by not being furloughed. Never thought I’d miss struggling with greasy suzies in the chucking wet, or sitting on Nottingham ring road in heavy traffic. I want to wade through thick mud in a Border farmyard, and wait for hours in a waste transfer yard while the gull crap eats my paint.
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My mental health would be improved by not being furloughed. Never thought I’d miss struggling with greasy suzies in the chucking wet, or sitting on Nottingham ring road in heavy traffic. I want to wade through thick mud in a Border farmyard, and wait for hours in a waste transfer yard while the gull crap eats my paint.Sent from my CLT-L29 using Tapatalk
Don’t know what your home life is like mate, but if you would rather do all that ■■■■ than spend time with your family, I’d be having a word with myself about where I go from here.
No offence btw, I just find it amazing and a bit sad, that people would rather be working (for other than financial reasons) than sitting at home on 80 to 100% wages. 
I was off for 6 weeks, and confirmed what I learned ■■■■ years ago, that there is a lot more to life than spending most of it on your own in a ■■■■ truck…
As for o/p and drivers having suicidal tendencies, I do have sympathy for them, but imo this should immediately disqualify them from holding a licence to drive 44 tonnes, with all the potential grief that it could potentially bring.
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vbmonkey:
My mental health would be improved by not being furloughed. Never thought I’d miss struggling with greasy suzies in the chucking wet, or sitting on Nottingham ring road in heavy traffic. I want to wade through thick mud in a Border farmyard, and wait for hours in a waste transfer yard while the gull crap eats my paint.Sent from my CLT-L29 using Tapatalk
Don’t know what your home life is like mate, but if you would rather do all that [zb] than spend time with your family, I’d be having a word with myself about where I go from here.
No offence btw, I just find it amazing and a bit sad, that people would rather be working (for other than financial reasons) than sitting at home on 80 to 100% wages.
I was off for 6 weeks, and confirmed what I learned [zb] years ago, that there is a lot more to life than spending most of it on your own in a [zb] truck…As for o/p and drivers having suicidal tendencies, I do have sympathy for them, but imo this should immediately disqualify them from holding a licence to drive 44 tonnes, with all the potential grief that it could potentially bring.
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you forgot to mention." killing machine on wheels"" 
Dunno, i’ve known several lorry drivers top themselves, all of them were productive and competent hard workers (if anything too hard working), all of them killed themselves in highly personal ways that endangered no one else except themselves, though i wouldn’t wish to underestimate the profound effect each one had on those left bereaved and those who found them, i well remember one young thoroughly decent copper having tears in his eyes as he attended an official identification, that same copper who discovered the suicide.
On the other hand i know several drivers who have been the innocent victims of suicide by lorry, suicides coming from various jobs including serious professions or unemployed, hwo it affected the drivers varied massively, one Irish mate of mine just shrugged it off doing his party piece impression of the bloke chucking himself in front of the wagon, another it destroyed him mentally.
Suicide is a dreadful thing, but one can’t really be angry with the suicide because its entirely obvious the one doing themselves in has been driven out of their minds by probably a combination of things, even the once cold hearted Catholic Church has come to realise that a suicide is not the mortal sin it was once viewed as, because the suicide was mentally ill at the time to be going to such extreme measures.
As for employers relating to and knowing their drivers, it would help if drivers weren’t outcasts, spoken to through some bloody hatch at arms length as if they were lepers, those management in responsible positions managing their staff from several hundreds yards away and in some cases several hundred miles, never speaking to their staff (too many can barely acknowledge their staff) who are often not a name but a bloody number unless to discipline them…all that’s missing is the mug shot and the orange jump suit…you need to know your staff, what makes each one tick, this applies especially to lorry drivers who are as unique and varied bunch as you could come across in any work place.
Fair play this issue is finally getting the attention it deserves.
Very few blokes make it through life without taking the “Knock” at some stage in their lives. Count your blessings gentlemen if you’ve never been there.
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Juddian:
Dunno, i’ve known several lorry drivers top themselves, all of them were productive and competent hard workers (if anything too hard working), all of them killed themselves in highly personal ways that endangered no one else except themselves, though i wouldn’t wish to underestimate the profound effect each one had on those left bereaved and those who found them, i well remember one young thoroughly decent copper having tears in his eyes as he attended an official identification, that same copper who discovered the suicide.On the other hand i know several drivers who have been the innocent victims of suicide by lorry, suicides coming from various jobs including serious professions or unemployed, hwo it affected the drivers varied massively, one Irish mate of mine just shrugged it off doing his party piece impression of the bloke chucking himself in front of the wagon, another it destroyed him mentally.
Suicide is a dreadful thing, but one can’t really be angry with the suicide because its entirely obvious the one doing themselves in has been driven out of their minds by probably a combination of things, even the once cold hearted Catholic Church has come to realise that a suicide is not the mortal sin it was once viewed as, because the suicide was mentally ill at the time to be going to such extreme measures.
As for employers relating to and knowing their drivers, it would help if drivers weren’t outcasts, spoken to through some bloody hatch at arms length as if they were lepers, those management in responsible positions managing their staff from several hundreds yards away and in some cases several hundred miles, never speaking to their staff (too many can barely acknowledge their staff) who are often not a name but a bloody number unless to discipline them…all that’s missing is the mug shot and the orange jump suit…you need to know your staff, what makes each one tick, this applies especially to lorry drivers who are as unique and varied bunch as you could come across in any work place.
Fair play this issue is finally getting the attention it deserves.
Well said and in complete contrast to the clown who thinks depression is code for sociopath
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Assuming that I’m Coco. 
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Here’s a hypothetical question for you then.
If a guy had attempted to top himself,.and failed (never understood the ‘‘attempted’’ thing btw, I would think it would be very easy if you really were intent on it) and 6 weeks later you learned he was taking a school trip out as a bus driver, and 2 of your kids were booked on that bus, would you not consider the likelihood of his potential sociopathic tendencies, or would you just feel comfortable with your 5 and 7 yr old going, thinking ‘Ah well he was just depressed’'.
Reason I ask is I was faced with that scenario many years ago, and I pulled the kids from the trip, got a bit of stick from other parents, but I did not give a ■■■■, my family are paramount over somebody’s feelings being hurt.
A number of years later he was killed in a truck driving accident, I ain’t saying the 2 were connected, but there you go.
(Or am I a clown because I prefer being at home to sitting in a truck? 
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(Or am I a clown because I prefer being at home to sitting in a truck? )
from what you said about your nozzok rob you probably look like one at the moment…
We can talk hypotheticals if you want, but I’m keener to know what evidence leads you to think that those with suicidal tendencies have a propensity to take complete strangers with them…
I guess there’s a reason people don’t tend to openly discuss mental health issues with such limited expert analysis available from folk such as you.
I know a few miltary that took their own lives…dont recall any of them seizing the opportunity on a firing range and taking others with them.
Why is that?
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Monkey241:
We can talk hypotheticals if you want, but I’m keener to know what evidence leads you to think that those with suicidal tendencies have a propensity to take complete strangers with them…I guess there’s a reason people don’t tend to openly discuss mental health issues with such limited expert analysis available from folk such as you.
I know a few miltary that took their own lives…dont recall any of them seizing the opportunity on a firing range and taking others with them.
Why is that?
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That’s the thing though, it was a hypothesis set to you, but to me it was a reality situation.
So are you going to answer the question truthfully, or what?
If you had been me…or if you found yourself in that situation with your kids…what would YOU do?
No need to get ■■■■■ about it either mate (‘‘limited expert analysis from folk such as me’’ 
) we all have our own opinions on things, and I never professed to be an expert, but you do not need to be to hold an opinion, maybe YOU actually ARE an expert, who knows.
I can’t speak from a military perspective, but it could be argued that those nutters (sorry if that offends) the likes of Michael Ryan, or Derek Bird, or the guy from Dunblane (respected gun club member who’s name escapes me) could be used as examples of suicide after taking people with them, if they did not have access to a gun, other methods could easily have been used as an alternative…after their ‘‘bouts of depression’’. that you mentioned. 
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Oh bless…dont get all delicate on me.
You’re entitled to your opinion…just as I’m able to express mine of yours.
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Oh bless…dont get all delicate on me.
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Nah, I ain’t delicate at all mate, and save your religious blessings for somebody who believes.
Still, I suppose a minor dig is easier than answering an awkward question, (as I answered yours) and admitting you could be wrong when an alternative view is expressed to you eh?
I thought this was a forum for discussions.
Ah well never mind.
You really are a bit uptight arent you?
Bless was a figure of speech…but now I will pray for you [emoji6]
As for your hypothetically very real situation, I tend to evaluate each situation as it arises. I dont tend to think that every potential suicide intends to take a bus load of kids with them…
But hey… let’s face it, the papers are full of such things each day…or maybe suicide remains on average an intensely personal affair?
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Monkey241:
You really are a bit uptight arent you?Bless was a figure of speech…but now I will pray for you [emoji6]
As for your hypothetically very real situation, I tend to evaluate each situation as it arises. I dont tend to think that every potential suicide intends to take a bus load of kids with them…
But hey… let’s face it, the papers are full of such things each day…or maybe suicide remains an intensely personal affair?
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Nah wrong again mate, neither delicate nor uptight tbh.
So you’re saying (I have to evaluate as you keep avoiding the question for some reason ) that in my situation you would have been 100% confident in sending your two young children on that bus, without a worry or second thought, safe in the knowledge that suicidal tendencies and potentially taking people with you. are unconnected. eh?
(If you do want to answer…great, fair enough, or if you don’t that is your prerogative, but either way try and keep things adult this time, and resist the urge to accompany your reply with a childish jibe this time eh?..as I have done. )
Cheers.
I avoided the question?
No…I said I’d evaluate what I knew.
Sorry you missed that
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Monkey241:
I avoided the question?No…I said I’d evaluate what I knew.
Sorry you missed that
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Ok,.I suppose that will have to do…but thanks anyway.
In my case… I would not, or will not, take any chances where my family are concerned, in ANY situation, and will always err on the side of caution and safety in those circumstances.
So in that particular case I also evaluated what I knew, ie…depressed guy, tried to top himself once, driving a bus (presumably and potentially in same state of mind) …but not with my children on board.
Ok. Depression can have many forms… those contemplating suicide tend not to take innocents with them…
You made an assessment. Do I think it’s logical or driven by emotion?
Let’s go with the latter. I suspect the guy needed support rather than being ostracized.
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Monkey241:
Ok. Depression can have many forms… those contemplating suicide tend not to take innocents with them…You made an assessment. Do I think it’s logical or driven by emotion?
Let’s go with the latter. I suspect the guy needed support rather than being ostracized.
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Ok, maybe it was emotion, but I prioritised on my family rather than ‘supporting’ him by taking a chance with my kids, I dont really think that was ostracising him as such.
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(Or am I a clown because I prefer being at home to sitting in a truck? )from what you said about your nozzok rob you probably look like one at the moment…
Cheers mate.
The wife keeps sending me what’s apps saying ‘Look at the face on that nose’,.and pics such as this.
She needs not of work on her bedside manner.