Carryfast:
So called ‘hourly’ pay is just an illusion.As I’ve said,concerning the subject in the case of those whingeing about American type mileage based pay,every job is actually paid on a job rate IE the guvnor gives you x amount of work to do for x amount of money.
It is then up to the driver wether to choose to do exactly what the guvnor wants or draw a line either by bringing back drops and/or leaving collections and just returning to the yard in the case of multi drop or other non tramping home every day type jobs.
Or parking up when you’ve done what you consider to be a fair day’s work in the case of tramping type jobs.
Which just leaves the issue of trunking which really only works/worked under the old system of job and finish no limiters running and direct depot to depot links.As opposed to extended shifts of driving,waiting/working in hubs and not being able to make up time lost to hold ups etc.While in general the old job rate system still applies regardless of how it is dressed up to look like hourly.
What are you on about?
+1
Don’t work any longer than the the hours which you’ve agreed to do for the amount of money offered.
Carryfast:
So called ‘hourly’ pay is just an illusion.As I’ve said,concerning the subject in the case of those whingeing about American type mileage based pay,every job is actually paid on a job rate IE the guvnor gives you x amount of work to do for x amount of money.
It is then up to the driver wether to choose to do exactly what the guvnor wants or draw a line either by bringing back drops and/or leaving collections and just returning to the yard in the case of multi drop or other non tramping home every day type jobs.
Or parking up when you’ve done what you consider to be a fair day’s work in the case of tramping type jobs.
Which just leaves the issue of trunking which really only works/worked under the old system of job and finish no limiters running and direct depot to depot links.As opposed to extended shifts of driving,waiting/working in hubs and not being able to make up time lost to hold ups etc.While in general the old job rate system still applies regardless of how it is dressed up to look like hourly.
What are you on about?
+1
Don’t work any longer than the the hours which you’ve agreed to do for the amount of money offered.
Good job the op wasn’t in the job years ago where the driver would stay with the lorry if it was in the garage ,stay at night washing off ,come in on a Saturday to tidy up loose ends ,do a bit of tarting up ect ect all regardless of how they were paid .
Carryfast:
So called ‘hourly’ pay is just an illusion.As I’ve said,concerning the subject in the case of those whingeing about American type mileage based pay,every job is actually paid on a job rate IE the guvnor gives you x amount of work to do for x amount of money.
It is then up to the driver wether to choose to do exactly what the guvnor wants or draw a line either by bringing back drops and/or leaving collections and just returning to the yard in the case of multi drop or other non tramping home every day type jobs.
Or parking up when you’ve done what you consider to be a fair day’s work in the case of tramping type jobs.
Which just leaves the issue of trunking which really only works/worked under the old system of job and finish no limiters running and direct depot to depot links.As opposed to extended shifts of driving,waiting/working in hubs and not being able to make up time lost to hold ups etc.While in general the old job rate system still applies regardless of how it is dressed up to look like hourly.
What are you on about?
I thought that was clear.It isn’t about the ‘hours’ it is all about the amount of work the guvnor wants done which actually determines the wage/work equation.It is then up to the driver to decide wether that equation is being loaded in the guvnor’s favour and if it is then do something about it by applying the limits as I’ve said.
IE the guvnor ‘could’ say that the job is ‘scheduled’ and paid for a 12 hour shift.But then fill it with 14 hours worth of actual ‘work’ which is then obviously just a case of wether the driver is mug enough to do it.
Are you relating this to salary or hourly paid?
It is common for both to mean exactly the same thing.
IE job rate divided by the ‘hours’ which the guvnor ‘says’ the job is worth and in ‘his view’ can be done in or just job rate.Which in general is how pay is calculated in the industry.The defintion of ‘Salary’ in this case obviously being based on the former which when divided by the ‘actual’ hours required to do the job has resulted in the OP’s moan here.Being that the guvnor has obviously provided an over optimistic view of the ‘hours’ required to make the job rate when divided by the ‘hourly’ rate look good enough.In which case the answer I ( and yeti ) have provided is usually the best way to sort that issue out.
Tris:
That’s why I’ve already come to the conclusion that agency work is where I need to be. Might not be the security Id ideally like, but at the end of day it’s the money that matters.
You’re not doing too well are you ? Getting the licence was the easy bit, its all gone wrong since then ? One thing you are consistent about is having an answer for everything except for the current predicament you find yourself in ?
You took a job for 25K, its not enough or the hours are too long for it ? You’ve chosen the wrong career, you’ll go agency, you’ll do transporters ? You’re just all over the place, with what appears to me…without a clue. Here’s a tip, fathom out what you want to do and then aim for it and try get it.
Quite why you havn’t (or if you have you havn’t said) taken up your working hours issue with your current employer is beyond me. Now as a driver who cannot address a simple problem like that god only knows how you’d deal with a difficult problem.
Best of luck, with whatever it is you want to do when you find out. There’s something out there for everyone.
Tris. I dont mean this as an insult, a genuine enquiry but are you quite young? Early twenties? Just the way you seem to think tallys up. You’re very black and white. “Jobs crap, the whole job, too many hours”! And it’s only been a few weeks. That’s quite a rash conclusion after investing that money in the training.Then you say you want to try tankers, or transporters. You are all over the place. Chill a bit and see how it goes. Give it some time and make sensible deductions rather than a week or so experience based on one job.
If you’re still reading this Tris, the RHA did a survey some time back. The average working week in haulage from the survey ended up being 55hrs a week.
If you came into the job expecting a 10hr day including breaks you’re going to be mostly disappointed.
The Op would not last five minutes on European work, most firms do not pay drivers to have 45 or 24 hours for weekly rest , while being away from their base.
If you are lucky, you may get some night out pay.
If you could not load up by Friday to get back home, you will sit there all weekend until the factory opens again Monday morning.
Conor:
If you came into the job expecting a 10hr day including breaks you’re going to be mostly disappointed.
I don’t think the OP has any illusions about the hours.It seems like more a case of an over optimistic view of real world daily job rates when calculated on an hourly basis.Which the guvnor then seemed to decide to tell the OP what the OP ‘wanted’ to hear,in terms of that job rate/‘salary’,when calculated as an hourly rate,to get the vacancy filled.
Maybe you need to learn a few tricks, to get the job done quicker. Try driving pazt a queue in the left lane before a roundabout in the righthand lane, and going right round before resuming straight on.
Dan Punchard:
Good job the op wasn’t in the job years ago where the driver would stay with the lorry if it was in the garage ,stay at night washing off ,come in on a Saturday to tidy up loose ends ,do a bit of tarting up ect ect all regardless of how they were paid .
What do you mean years ago? I had a man offer me a job last summer driving from Grimsby to Aberdeen and back 2 trips so 4 days one week then 3 trips 6 days next week very good money for an easy job, but he did all his own servicing and repairs which you had to go in on your rest days to help plus he want truck kept in show condition also on rest days. I told him best find someone else.
Tris:
To be honest I think I’ve made a big mistake coming into this industry.
bit early to say…after only a couple of weeks.
stick with it and move on when something better turns up.the better jobs come with experience.
That’s what I’m hoping. Want to get into car transporting or tanker work eventually. Also like the idea of 4 on 4 off shifts. I guess for now I’ve got to resign myself to this being how it is.
Try Sensable Car Transportation part of the Stobart Group, its in the JobcentrePlus today, looking for drivers allover the UK.
Baggie:
As my boss regularly says…“If you want fixed,regular hours,get a job in a shop or factory !”
All well and good on hourly pay, total ■■■■ take on salary!
That’s why I’ve already come to the conclusion that agency work is where I need to be. Might not be the security Id ideally like, but at the end of day it’s the money that matters.
Been registered with two agencies for well over a month and not had a single job from them… They reckoned that they had more work than drivers.
So don’t hold out hopes that agencies are the way forward
I must take this site more seriously 