hotel magnum:
it all depends on what the work is like, if its easy then time does not really matter unless theres something else you would rather do, better an easy job of 12 hours than a hard worked 10 hours, my last full time job would have been crap money if you added up all the hours worked but it was very interesting light work that took me all over Europe.
I do enjoy the work, but when it gets past 12 hours and reaches 14 hours the fun factor wears off a bit. 
As my boss regularly says…“If you want fixed,regular hours,get a job in a shop or factory !”
Tris:
I was told you’ll normall start about 7:30 and be done by 17:30. What a load of bs that was. I feel like I’ve been taken for a mug.
I was told similar that I’d start at 8:00 and be done for 16-16:30.
First week didn’t finish till 17:30 on average, following week nearer to 17:00.
Why ? - because I’m still learning the routes and where places are but I am getting done quicker now. I only have 3-4 drops a day and maybe a pick up on way back.
I don’t know what type of work you do but it’s only been a week. If your still doing excessive after a couple of months I’d be thinking now there’s something amiss but not so soon .
dcgpx:
Tris:
I was told you’ll normall start about 7:30 and be done by 17:30. What a load of bs that was. I feel like I’ve been taken for a mug.I was told similar that I’d start at 8:00 and be done for 16-16:30.
First week didn’t finish till 17:30 on average, following week nearer to 17:00.
Why ? - because I’m still learning the routes and where places are but I am getting done quicker now. I only have 3-4 drops a day and maybe a pick up on way back.
I don’t know what type of work you do but it’s only been a week. If your still doing excessive after a couple of months I’d be thinking now there’s something amiss but not so soon .
I don’t hang about, and if I do get done earlier I ring up and I’m found other stuff to do anyway, so it seems like I can’t win. The only times I’m slowed down is when whoever is unloading holds me up.
Baggie:
As my boss regularly says…“If you want fixed,regular hours,get a job in a shop or factory !”
All well and good on hourly pay, total ■■■■ take on salary!
I don’t either , but I def don’t ring them up, we have a message system on our trackers. If they want more work they can message me. Certainly for now I’m not looking for more by ringing them to make my day longer
Tris:
dcgpx:
Tris:
I was told you’ll normall start about 7:30 and be done by 17:30. What a load of bs that was. I feel like I’ve been taken for a mug.I was told similar that I’d start at 8:00 and be done for 16-16:30.
First week didn’t finish till 17:30 on average, following week nearer to 17:00.
Why ? - because I’m still learning the routes and where places are but I am getting done quicker now. I only have 3-4 drops a day and maybe a pick up on way back.
I don’t know what type of work you do but it’s only been a week. If your still doing excessive after a couple of months I’d be thinking now there’s something amiss but not so soon .
I don’t hang about, and if I do get done earlier I ring up and I’m found other stuff to do anyway, so it seems like I can’t win. The only times I’m slowed down is when whoever is unloading holds me up.
Not knowing what your employer is going to say on this subject, your wasting your time on here.
weeto:
Baggie:
As my boss regularly says…“If you want fixed,regular hours,get a job in a shop or factory !”All well and good on hourly pay, total ■■■■ take on salary!
That’s why I’ve already come to the conclusion that agency work is where I need to be. Might not be the security Id ideally like, but at the end of day it’s the money that matters.
If you’re phoning them up for more work you’re painting yourself into this situation, and you can’t really blame them for doing as you ask.
If your salaried for 50 hours and end up doing more than that. Tell them you want the extra hours in either extra holidays or paid overtime.
Do NOT wait to speak to them, but be polite. Stand your ground. Your max average working week is 48hrs anyway.
Above all don’t let them walk all over you. They will just do it more and more, then it comes to a point where its just expected.
Juddian:
If you’re phoning them up for more work you’re painting yourself into this situation, and you can’t really blame them for doing as you ask.
This, stop phoning them!!
Juddian:
If you’re phoning them up for more work you’re painting yourself into this situation, and you can’t really blame them for doing as you ask.
I’m expected to do that. Anyway enough of this crap. I’ve broke my golden rule about talking about work out of work and that’s my last post on here.
There has to be ground rules to be paid salary, no ground rules leads to employers taking the ■■■■ out of you, and it sounds like that is happening already, only the driver can stop that happening.
So called ‘hourly’ pay is just an illusion.As I’ve said,concerning the subject in the case of those whingeing about American type mileage based pay,every job is actually paid on a job rate IE the guvnor gives you x amount of work to do for x amount of money.
It is then up to the driver wether to choose to do exactly what the guvnor wants or draw a line either by bringing back drops and/or leaving collections and just returning to the yard in the case of multi drop or other non tramping home every day type jobs.
Or parking up when you’ve done what you consider to be a fair day’s work in the case of tramping type jobs.
Which just leaves the issue of trunking which really only works/worked under the old system of job and finish no limiters running and direct depot to depot links.As opposed to extended shifts of driving,waiting/working in hubs and not being able to make up time lost to hold ups etc.While in general the old job rate system still applies regardless of how it is dressed up to look like hourly.
Think Juddians first post is spot on see it out for a few months and learn the ropes then look to jump ship to something better. A good agency will keep you working but you’ll start at the bottom and get all the carp jobs to start with.
Carryfast:
So called ‘hourly’ pay is just an illusion.As I’ve said,concerning the subject in the case of those whingeing about American type mileage based pay,every job is actually paid on a job rate IE the guvnor gives you x amount of work to do for x amount of money.It is then up to the driver wether to choose to do exactly what the guvnor wants or draw a line either by bringing back drops and/or leaving collections and just returning to the yard in the case of multi drop or other non tramping home every day type jobs.
Or parking up when you’ve done what you consider to be a fair day’s work in the case of tramping type jobs.
Which just leaves the issue of trunking which really only works/worked under the old system of job and finish no limiters running and direct depot to depot links.As opposed to extended shifts of driving,waiting/working in hubs and not being able to make up time lost to hold ups etc.While in general the old job rate system still applies regardless of how it is dressed up to look like hourly.
What are you on about?
Tris:
I’ve broke my golden rule about talking about work out of work and that’s my last post on here.
ooh is this another shake post 
Tris:
Started driving class 1’s the other week on 25k. Was told I’d be doing 10 hours a day, but now realised that was a blatant lie and its 12 hours plus. That puts me on £8 hour or less. What a load of crap. To be honest I think I’ve made a big mistake coming into this industry.
you have not made a mistake,you just have to know when an employer bullsxxxs,i started with a company last year and I said 10 or 11 hr days,they agreed then I found I was working 14 /15 hr days,bye bye to said company,1 week I lasted,agencies are just as bad
weeto:
Carryfast:
So called ‘hourly’ pay is just an illusion.As I’ve said,concerning the subject in the case of those whingeing about American type mileage based pay,every job is actually paid on a job rate IE the guvnor gives you x amount of work to do for x amount of money.It is then up to the driver wether to choose to do exactly what the guvnor wants or draw a line either by bringing back drops and/or leaving collections and just returning to the yard in the case of multi drop or other non tramping home every day type jobs.
Or parking up when you’ve done what you consider to be a fair day’s work in the case of tramping type jobs.
Which just leaves the issue of trunking which really only works/worked under the old system of job and finish no limiters running and direct depot to depot links.As opposed to extended shifts of driving,waiting/working in hubs and not being able to make up time lost to hold ups etc.While in general the old job rate system still applies regardless of how it is dressed up to look like hourly.
What are you on about?
+1
weeto:
Carryfast:
So called ‘hourly’ pay is just an illusion.As I’ve said,concerning the subject in the case of those whingeing about American type mileage based pay,every job is actually paid on a job rate IE the guvnor gives you x amount of work to do for x amount of money.It is then up to the driver wether to choose to do exactly what the guvnor wants or draw a line either by bringing back drops and/or leaving collections and just returning to the yard in the case of multi drop or other non tramping home every day type jobs.
Or parking up when you’ve done what you consider to be a fair day’s work in the case of tramping type jobs.
Which just leaves the issue of trunking which really only works/worked under the old system of job and finish no limiters running and direct depot to depot links.As opposed to extended shifts of driving,waiting/working in hubs and not being able to make up time lost to hold ups etc.While in general the old job rate system still applies regardless of how it is dressed up to look like hourly.
What are you on about?
I thought that was clear.It isn’t about the ‘hours’ it is all about the amount of work the guvnor wants done which actually determines the wage/work equation.It is then up to the driver to decide wether that equation is being loaded in the guvnor’s favour and if it is then do something about it by applying the limits as I’ve said.
IE the guvnor ‘could’ say that the job is ‘scheduled’ and paid for a 12 hour shift.But then fill it with 14 hours worth of actual ‘work’ which is then obviously just a case of wether the driver is mug enough to do it.
Carryfast:
weeto:
Carryfast:
So called ‘hourly’ pay is just an illusion.As I’ve said,concerning the subject in the case of those whingeing about American type mileage based pay,every job is actually paid on a job rate IE the guvnor gives you x amount of work to do for x amount of money.It is then up to the driver wether to choose to do exactly what the guvnor wants or draw a line either by bringing back drops and/or leaving collections and just returning to the yard in the case of multi drop or other non tramping home every day type jobs.
Or parking up when you’ve done what you consider to be a fair day’s work in the case of tramping type jobs.
Which just leaves the issue of trunking which really only works/worked under the old system of job and finish no limiters running and direct depot to depot links.As opposed to extended shifts of driving,waiting/working in hubs and not being able to make up time lost to hold ups etc.While in general the old job rate system still applies regardless of how it is dressed up to look like hourly.
What are you on about?
I thought that was clear.It isn’t about the ‘hours’ it is all about the amount of work the guvnor wants done which actually determines the wage/work equation.It is then up to the driver to decide wether that equation is being loaded in the guvnor’s favour and if it is then do something about it by applying the limits as I’ve said.
IE the guvnor ‘could’ say that the job is ‘scheduled’ and paid for a 12 hour shift.But then fill it with 14 hours worth of actual ‘work’ which is then obviously just a case of wether the driver is mug enough to do it.
Are you relating this to salary or hourly paid?