Interesting that the primitive ‘pulse jet’ that propelled the V1 ‘doodlebug’ flyingbomb looked like a motorcycle expansion chamber.
Apparently, Walter sat next to the bloke who designed the V1 engine.
Bit like being at school
GasGas:
Wheel Nut:
Franglais:
Punchy Dan:
Franglais:
Wheres the air intake for the night heater? On all the trucks Ive had, it`s been inside the cab.
Could a gas have been introduced into the cab? Probably yes, but maybe there would be traces on the cabin air filter? Or if the roof vent or windows were left open for air circulation?
Night Heater? Dunno.The fresh air intake is next to the exhaust port they are both out side the cab as night heaters are bulkhead fitting ,the pipes are supposed to go in opersite directions the exhaust pipe level or down hill ,as above the air intake on one end is just recirculating .
So the air intake on the outside goes ONLY into the combustion chamber on the heater, and is not an entry into the air inside the cabin?
There is some fantastic history from World War 2 which led to combustion heaters. Read about Ernst Degner and Walter Kaaden.
Although Walter didn’t design the German V2 Rocket, he understood exhaust and inlet pressure, resonance and pipe tuning. The reason why two stroke motorcycles were so powerful.
The fuel air mixture on an eberspacher or webasto heater is tuned by the length of the inlet and exhaust ports instead of a carburettor or injector.
Without these two men there would be no Suzuki Racing and no Ant & Dec [emoji23][emoji14]
Stealing Speed by Matt Oxley…I’ve got a first edition copy…at one time they were changing hands on ebay for £500. Then Matt, bless him, got the rights back from the publisher and reissued it.
Now my book is only worth about £60.
Hey ho!
Hey ho indeed. Was Degner murdered?
Must read it again.
suspicious circumstances ranging from overdose to topped by the secret police…possibly they gassed him with co2 and made it look like an accident? 
As I posted in the other gassing thread I’m calling codswallop on this.
For C02 to knock you out you’re piping in a very high amounts to reach a concentration to be effective in the volume of a Cab. It’s not that far beyond that, you’ll kill someone in less than 2 mins. There’s no margin for error.
A cab is a pretty big space with lots of leaks. Take other anaesthetics administered by gas. You’re not using a small gas mask so you’d need a serious amount to be effective in that volume. The risk of overdose would be really bloody high. No one has been totalled or left brain damaged or knackered organs or reported vomiting after coming round. Anaesthetists train for years, for a reason.
dieseldog999:
if they bung you with co2 from a fire extinguisher or from someones car exhauust then it should go off.
nobodys going to be buying expensive gas to use on you.
not unless they gassed a previous driver with co2 and stole his load of gas?
theres plenty of folk in the jail for using co2 to end up killing others,so its only a matter of degree.
same for the previous link to the caravan brigade. those kind of herberts are generally decent living souls .
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews … arned.html
The stuff in a fire extinguisher (CO2 - carbon dioxide) won’t gas anyone. It’s non-toxic and is used in fire extinguishers simply because if you release a large enough quantity of it onto a fire it snuffs out the flame because it starves it of oxygen for the few seconds necessary for combustion to cease. In order to gas a sleeping driver you would need to replace all the air in the cab with CO2, and keep all the vents etc sealed while you waited for him to suffocate.
The stuff in car exhausts (CO - carbon monoxide) is the dangerous one. You only need to achieve a modest concentration of this gas to interfere with the haemoglobin in the bloodstream. This is the one that causes dizziness, headaches etc - but it still takes quite some time (typically measured in hours, not just a few minutes) to knock you out.
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Roymondo:
dieseldog999:
if they bung you with co2 from a fire extinguisher or from someones car exhauust then it should go off.
nobodys going to be buying expensive gas to use on you.
not unless they gassed a previous driver with co2 and stole his load of gas?
theres plenty of folk in the jail for using co2 to end up killing others,so its only a matter of degree.
same for the previous link to the caravan brigade. those kind of herberts are generally decent living souls .
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews … arned.htmlThe stuff in a fire extinguisher (CO2 - carbon dioxide) won’t gas anyone. It’s non-toxic and is used in fire extinguishers simply because if you release a large enough quantity of it onto a fire it snuffs out the flame because it starves it of oxygen for the few seconds necessary for combustion to cease. In order to gas a sleeping driver you would need to replace all the air in the cab with CO2, and keep all the vents etc sealed while you waited for him to suffocate.
The stuff in car exhausts (CO - carbon monoxide) is the dangerous one. You only need to achieve a modest concentration of this gas to interfere with the haemoglobin in the bloodstream. This is the one that causes dizziness, headaches etc - but it still takes quite some time (typically measured in hours, not just a few minutes) to knock you out.
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Co2 is also lethal in amounts above 15 percent Air ratio.if you replaced “all the air” with c02 they’d die extremely quickly.
bit late for colin howell though.
belfastlive.co.uk/news/belf … l-14223822
best gossip in northern ireland for years. did the bizzo with the exhaust and hose.
it obviously works with the numbers that have died using exhausts .
Roymondo:
dieseldog999:
if they bung you with co2 from a fire extinguisher or from someones car exhauust then it should go off.
nobodys going to be buying expensive gas to use on you.
not unless they gassed a previous driver with co2 and stole his load of gas?
theres plenty of folk in the jail for using co2 to end up killing others,so its only a matter of degree.
same for the previous link to the caravan brigade. those kind of herberts are generally decent living souls .
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews … arned.htmlThe stuff in a fire extinguisher (CO2 - carbon dioxide) won’t gas anyone. It’s non-toxic and is used in fire extinguishers simply because if you release a large enough quantity of it onto a fire it snuffs out the flame because it starves it of oxygen for the few seconds necessary for combustion to cease. In order to gas a sleeping driver you would need to replace all the air in the cab with CO2, and keep all the vents etc sealed while you waited for him to suffocate.
The stuff in car exhausts (CO - carbon monoxide) is the dangerous one. You only need to achieve a modest concentration of this gas to interfere with the haemoglobin in the bloodstream. This is the one that causes dizziness, headaches etc - but it still takes quite some time (typically measured in hours, not just a few minutes) to knock you out.
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Co2 is toxic and also lethal in amounts above 15 percent Air ratio, above 20 percent death taking place in less than a minute if inhaled. If you replaced “all the air” with c02 they’d die extremely quickly.
Carbon monoxide piped in would kill very quickly if piped in to a cab. It’s known to take hours with accidents like heaters packing up because it’s a relatively small amount mixed with air. Increase the ratio by piping it in and it’s toast in minutes.
Freight Dog:
As I posted in the other gassing thread I’m calling codswallop on this.For C02 to knock you out you’re piping in a very high amounts to reach a concentration to be effective in the volume of a Cab. It’s not that far beyond that, you’ll kill someone in less than 2 mins. There’s no margin for error.
A cab is a pretty big space with lots of leaks. Take other anaesthetics administered by gas. You’re not using a small gas mask so you’d need a serious amount to be effective in that volume. The risk of overdose would be really bloody high. No one has been totalled or left brain damaged or knackered organs or reported vomiting after coming round. Anaesthetists train for years, for a reason.
I’m pretty much with you on this one. It’s pretty easy to pump some gas into a cab to knock someone out. The hard part is not killing them.
Captain Caveman 76:
Freight Dog:
As I posted in the other gassing thread I’m calling codswallop on this.For C02 to knock you out you’re piping in a very high amounts to reach a concentration to be effective in the volume of a Cab. It’s not that far beyond that, you’ll kill someone in less than 2 mins. There’s no margin for error.
A cab is a pretty big space with lots of leaks. Take other anaesthetics administered by gas. You’re not using a small gas mask so you’d need a serious amount to be effective in that volume. The risk of overdose would be really bloody high. No one has been totalled or left brain damaged or knackered organs or reported vomiting after coming round. Anaesthetists train for years, for a reason.
I’m pretty much with you on this one. It’s pretty easy to pump some gas into a cab to knock someone out. The hard part is not killing them.
I think there’s too many movies showing a rag of chloroform over the mouth “knocking” someone out. It’s not easy to knock someone out with gas without damaging them. Look at the many case studies of accidents in confined spaces on ships. Crew without BA sets have walked into holds or voids with no hint of trouble only to collapse and snuff it in minutes.
robroy:
What?..Santa aint real??
Of course he is, that why we have Elves (and safety)
Another thing that makes me skeptical is that the ‘victims’ so often seem to be carrying a large amount of cash.
Santa:
Another thing that makes me skeptical is that the ‘victims’ so often seem to be carrying a large amount of cash.
Beware “Publishing Bias”.
If someone had ten bob nicked it wouldn’t make the papers. It may not even be reported. So, we only hear of larger amounts.
(And any amount nicked would be at least doubled when the story is told in the pub at the weekend!)
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It would surely be attempted murder if one blocked the air intake to the night heater - thus pumping the cab full of carbon monoxide, giving you the kind of sleep you can’t wake up from - ever! 
Unlike Carbon DIoxide, which with you feel stuffy and gasping when trying to breathe, - Carbon monoxide - you are NOT aware you are breathing it. You just get tired, and fall asleep.
Winseer:
It would surely be attempted murder if one blocked the air intake to the night heater - thus pumping the cab full of carbon monoxide
How would blocking the air intake of a night heater cause carbon monoxide to be pumped into the cab?
Harry Monk:
Winseer:
It would surely be attempted murder if one blocked the air intake to the night heater - thus pumping the cab full of carbon monoxideHow would blocking the air intake of a night heater cause carbon monoxide to be pumped into the cab?
Easily imaginable. That is if someone didn’t understand how night heaters worked, and also couldn’t be arsed to read the previous posts on thread.
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I have mentioned balanced pipes, intakes and exhausts. Go back to school and draw a Triangle
Fuel. Oxygen. Ignition - Take any one of these away and tell us what happens next!
Franglais:
Harry Monk:
Winseer:
It would surely be attempted murder if one blocked the air intake to the night heater - thus pumping the cab full of carbon monoxideHow would blocking the air intake of a night heater cause carbon monoxide to be pumped into the cab?
Easily imaginable. That is if someone didn’t understand how night heaters worked, and also couldn’t be arsed to read the previous posts on thread.
It’s a bit like saying that if you squirted a can of Easy-Start into the radiator header tank, it would all come out of the dashboard vents. 
I call ■■■■■■■■
I never believed all these tales about gassing because the difference between knocking someone out and killing them is very small.I have never read a single story about a lorry driver being found dead in his cab due to a gassing gone wrong.
Now I have seen it reported as fact in the Daily Mail,I know I was right. 