pierrot 14:
On a controversial note
Love the dirty Hi-vis for the photo shoot
Yeah…why, just why would you wear that oily rag for a news photo… 
AndrewG:
pierrot 14:
On a controversial noteLove the dirty Hi-vis for the photo shoot
Yeah…why, just why would you wear that oily rag for a news photo…
I know,… why would you? 
Some drivers have no class. 
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews … arned.html
as in the other topic.
are they all lying?
It’s a tricky issue, this. On the one hand, eminent professors from the Royal Society of Anaesthetists who have spent a lifetime studying chemistry insist that such a gas does not and cannot exist, on the other hand some fat bloke in a Tesco RDC waiting room insists that it does. It’s difficult to know who to believe.
My Actros has a smoke detector (is that the same as a Co2 detector or not? 
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Is that capable of picking up these (“supposedlly used”) gases and going off, or not?
if they bung you with co2 from a fire extinguisher or from someones car exhauust then it should go off.
nobodys going to be buying expensive gas to use on you.
not unless they gassed a previous driver with co2 and stole his load of gas?
theres plenty of folk in the jail for using co2 to end up killing others,so its only a matter of degree.
same for the previous link to the caravan brigade. those kind of herberts are generally decent living souls .
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews … arned.html
I think Carbon Monoxide ( Co ) is the one to worry about 
Regards. John.
Franglais:
Punchy Dan:
Franglais:
Wheres the air intake for the night heater? On all the trucks Ive had, it`s been inside the cab.
Could a gas have been introduced into the cab? Probably yes, but maybe there would be traces on the cabin air filter? Or if the roof vent or windows were left open for air circulation?
Night Heater? Dunno.The fresh air intake is next to the exhaust port they are both out side the cab as night heaters are bulkhead fitting ,the pipes are supposed to go in opersite directions the exhaust pipe level or down hill ,as above the air intake on one end is just recirculating .
So the air intake on the outside goes ONLY into the combustion chamber on the heater, and is not an entry into the air inside the cabin?
There is some fantastic history from World War 2 which led to combustion heaters. Read about Ernst Degner and Walter Kaaden.
Although Walter didn’t design the German V2 Rocket, he understood exhaust and inlet pressure, resonance and pipe tuning. The reason why two stroke motorcycles were so powerful.
The fuel air mixture on an eberspacher or webasto heater is tuned by the length of the inlet and exhaust ports instead of a carburettor or injector.
Without these two men there would be no Suzuki Racing and no Ant & Dec [emoji23][emoji14]
This myth of gassing is purely born out of a belief of those gullible enough to believe this actually happens. Those same people probably believe in father Christmas and fairy’s along with alien abductions.
UKtramp:
This myth of gassing is purely born out of a belief of those gullible enough to believe this actually happens. Those same people probably believe in father Christmas and fairy’s along with alien abductions.
What?..Santa aint real?? 
robroy:
UKtramp:
This myth of gassing is purely born out of a belief of those gullible enough to believe this actually happens. Those same people probably believe in father Christmas and fairy’s along with alien abductions.What?..Santa aint real??
Santa is every bit as believable as some the posters on here!
Harry Monk:
It’s a tricky issue, this. On the one hand, eminent professors from the Royal Society of Anaesthetists who have spent a lifetime studying chemistry insist that such a gas does not and cannot exist, on the other hand some fat bloke in a Tesco RDC waiting room insists that it does. It’s difficult to know who to believe.
When was the last time a fellow from the RS of A spent a night in the cab in France? Exactly. I rest my case m’lud!
TiredAndEmotional:
Harry Monk:
It’s a tricky issue, this. On the one hand, eminent professors from the Royal Society of Anaesthetists who have spent a lifetime studying chemistry insist that such a gas does not and cannot exist, on the other hand some fat bloke in a Tesco RDC waiting room insists that it does. It’s difficult to know who to believe.When was the last time a fellow from the RS of A spent a night in the cab in France? Exactly. I rest my case m’lud!
It is worth noting that the Gendarmes have put up many notices warning of gassing, and they must have some evidence to believe in it surely? They will have medical experts to call on, and not have to rely on RDC gossip.
For myself, I hear what the Royal College of Anaesthetists says, but admit to having some doubts about their opinion on this one.
Many years back I had a trailer slashed and part of the load nicked. (It wasnt at Puerto De La Brujula!). I slept through it, but it was a windy night so any rocking would have been easy to ignore. When I reported it to police they asked if I felt OK? And then I noticed I did have an achy fuzzy head. Now, Im not stating outright I was gassed. Maybe it was coincidence. The problems of a nicked load, getting woken up early by a neighbouring driver, and a slashed trailer are enough to give anyone a headache, but I find it hard to say I wasnt gassed. I dont need gassing as an excuse for the insurance or owt, and cant see how any gas was put into the cab, so Im left doubting my own experience!
Still it was a while back, and any creeping insanity hasn`t arrived yet.
I think. 
Santa is every bit as believable as some the posters on here!
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Like having secret “Shunt button” fitted.
Franglais:
When I reported it to police they asked if I felt OK? And then I noticed I did have an achy fuzzy head.
Now, I`m not stating outright I was gassed. Maybe it was coincidence.
Waking up with a fuzzy head is an everyday occurrence, doesn’t mean you have been gassed. Anaesthetics is a highly skilled art which has more training attached to it than your average doctor receives. Not your average gypsy thief administering the exact dose to knock you out whilst they pinch a few bits through a ripped curtain. They have no need to gas you, they know a lorry driver couldn’t care less about stealing his load or willing to put up any resistance.
It’s the fact that no one has been killed or seriously affected which makes me sceptical. There are a couple on life support after an alleged nerve gas attack. There was no robbery, theft or burglary. They were probably targeted,
I struggle with the fact that a couple of pike or Jack the lad can guess a drivers weight, height and lung capacity before administration of a noxious substance that they themselves are impervious to. The low priced common noxious substance is available at all good motoring shops apparently.
You wouldn’t get very far sticking Ether into the night heater air intake… Probably blow the bloody cab up!
Put Ether in through the open roof vent though?
These attacks DO happen more often during the warm summer nights, rather than in the chill of winter after all…
I’m thinking that they are easier to pull off by these scumbags when night heaters are OFF and ventilation is OPEN…
“The Wild West Roads of Western Europe”.
I feel sorry for all the lads and lasses who have to run that bloody gauntlet, as they have this past decade or so, since I first heard about so-called “Parked Up Gas Attacks” on trampers asleep in laybys… 
Surely the “culprits” these days - are more likely to be Illegal Immigrants “passing through” than the Brudder fraternity of old…
Wheel Nut:
It’s the fact that no one has been killed or seriously affected which makes me sceptical. There are a couple on life support after an alleged nerve gas attack. There was no robbery, theft or burglary. They were probably targeted,I struggle with the fact that a couple of pike or Jack the lad can guess a drivers weight, height and lung capacity before administration of a noxious substance that they themselves are impervious to. The low priced common noxious substance is available at all good motoring shops apparently.
Old batches of De Icer…? I don’t think they make it out of Ether anymore though, after the crackdown on “Solvent Abuse” a few years back…
Ether is in nail varnish remover though, but I don’t think you can buy that in enough quantity to gas-out an entire cab… You might get a small bottle of about enough to take the colour off the errant student’s fingernails - and that’s about it!
But what about Chloroform? Easy to make, and totally non-flammable to boot… I’d better not go into just how easy it is to make, save that it can be made from two household chemicals that one can still buy both of in quantity, without plod turning up on the doorstep asking questions… Because of the non-flammability aspect of both chemicals.
Winseer:
Wheel Nut:
It’s the fact that no one has been killed or seriously affected which makes me sceptical. There are a couple on life support after an alleged nerve gas attack. There was no robbery, theft or burglary. They were probably targeted,I struggle with the fact that a couple of pike or Jack the lad can guess a drivers weight, height and lung capacity before administration of a noxious substance that they themselves are impervious to. The low priced common noxious substance is available at all good motoring shops apparently.
Old batches of De Icer…? I don’t think they make it out of Ether anymore though, after the crackdown on “Solvent Abuse” a few years back…
Ether is in nail varnish remover though, but I don’t think you can buy that in enough quantity to gas-out an entire cab… You might get a small bottle of about enough to take the colour off the errant student’s fingernails - and that’s about it!
But what about Chloroform? Easy to make, and totally non-flammable to boot… I’d better not go into just how easy it is to make, save that it can be made from two household chemicals that one can still buy both of in quantity, without plod turning up on the doorstep asking questions… Because of the non-flammability aspect of both chemicals.
And the smell would linger for a long time, every case I have read about has been of someone waking up feeling a bit rough with a headache, I get that every weekend and I felt like that every night I fell asleep in the cab with all the windows closed and a night heater running.
Wheel Nut:
Franglais:
Punchy Dan:
Franglais:
Wheres the air intake for the night heater? On all the trucks Ive had, it`s been inside the cab.
Could a gas have been introduced into the cab? Probably yes, but maybe there would be traces on the cabin air filter? Or if the roof vent or windows were left open for air circulation?
Night Heater? Dunno.The fresh air intake is next to the exhaust port they are both out side the cab as night heaters are bulkhead fitting ,the pipes are supposed to go in opersite directions the exhaust pipe level or down hill ,as above the air intake on one end is just recirculating .
So the air intake on the outside goes ONLY into the combustion chamber on the heater, and is not an entry into the air inside the cabin?
There is some fantastic history from World War 2 which led to combustion heaters. Read about Ernst Degner and Walter Kaaden.
Although Walter didn’t design the German V2 Rocket, he understood exhaust and inlet pressure, resonance and pipe tuning. The reason why two stroke motorcycles were so powerful.
The fuel air mixture on an eberspacher or webasto heater is tuned by the length of the inlet and exhaust ports instead of a carburettor or injector.
Without these two men there would be no Suzuki Racing and no Ant & Dec [emoji23][emoji14]
Stealing Speed by Matt Oxley…I’ve got a first edition copy…at one time they were changing hands on ebay for £500. Then Matt, bless him, got the rights back from the publisher and reissued it.
Now my book is only worth about £60.
Hey ho!