HDL:
I never believed all these tales about gassing because the difference between knocking someone out and killing them is very small.I have never read a single story about a lorry driver being found dead in his cab due to a gassing gone wrong.
Exactly this.
And given that these gassings do seem to have a 100% safety rate over nearly two decades and thousands of incidents, why do the NHS waste millions of ££££ training anaesthetists for several years when all they need is a couple of Romanians with a can of Easy-Start?
HDL:
I never believed all these tales about gassing because the difference between knocking someone out and killing them is very small.I have never read a single story about a lorry driver being found dead in his cab due to a gassing gone wrong.
Exactly this.
And given that these gassings do seem to have a 100% safety rate over nearly two decades and thousands of incidents, why do the NHS waste millions of ££££ training anaesthetists for several years when all they need is a couple of Romanians with a can of Easy-Start?
I would add that the use of this word “Anesthetic” in these cases, seems to be a misnomer for the reasons given above.
There’s a reason a “qualified anesthetist” needs to be thus. It’s called being able to differentiate like only a qualified person can - just the correct balance to keep someone under, or have them wake up and lamp you if too little, or wake up dead - if too much.
Ether and Chloroform might be easy-to-obtain anesthetics, but it’s always going to be far easier to generate and administer carbon monoxide to “knock someone out”, which in real life only seems to happen in cheap hotel rooms rather than expensive tramper cabs, I might add. The effects of Carbon Monoxide poisoning are very serious, even if one is “woken up” in time. The gas forms a complex with the blood itself, which then prevents oxygen from being taken up by the “altered” blood in turn. This means that to save someone’s life - they might well need a full blood transfusion, rather than just slapped awake as if they’ve been on the ■■■■, which carbon monoxide poisoning is sometimes confused with, on account of the rosy complexion of the unconscious victim.
These Romanian scientists are brilliant, not only can they guess the weight of a lorry driver who is asleep, they have also measured the molar density of their chosen means.
Carbon Monoxide has been suggested.
Ether has been suggested.
Chloroform has been suggested.
Which side of 28.97g/mol is likely to be more effective?
Does the driver sleep on his side, his back or like my missus on her stomach?
Driver has expensive load on board, parks in quiet industrial estate, load gets nicked, driver was incapacitated, so is clearly a victim?
There must have been a few of them to shift the load, so why bother going to expense of getting enough gas and time to fill the cab with it, far easier way to stop the driver causing problems and I think most of us will let them get on with it anyway.
Wheel Nut:
These Romanian scientists are brilliant, not only can they guess the weight of a lorry driver who is asleep, they have also measured the molar density of their chosen means.
Carbon Monoxide has been suggested.
Ether has been suggested.
Chloroform has been suggested.
Which side of 28.97g/mol is likely to be more effective?
Does the driver sleep on his side, his back or like my missus on her stomach?
Top or Bottom Bunk?
No one has sold me anything yet!
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It depends on an assailant getting their grubby mits on basic supplies like in this vid… It’s even got “50% Ether” on the can. “Just spray into the air intake - and wait five minutes” might as well be there for the brudders and drifting illegals infesting our roads with laybys these days.
What was it you needed to be sold on? Getting hold of the stuff, or what stuff exactly is being used to achieve rapid knock-out, with little (so far) fatalities?
Freight Dog:
Look at the many case studies of accidents in confined spaces on ships. Crew without BA sets have walked into holds or voids with no hint of trouble only to collapse and snuff it in minutes.
Oxygen depletion … A good friend of mine was killed this way by going into the hold of the ship he was on without venting the space first. We are now supposed to carry oxygen sensors with a low level alarm fitted before entering any enclosed space and a written risk assessement must be in place and NEVER go alone, one man remains at the entrance. It’s surprising the amount of different cargoes we did that will ■■■■ the oxygen out of the hold, timber being one of the worst.
Wheel Nut:
These Romanian scientists are brilliant, not only can they guess the weight of a lorry driver who is asleep, they have also measured the molar density of their chosen means.
Carbon Monoxide has been suggested.
Ether has been suggested.
Chloroform has been suggested.
Which side of 28.97g/mol is likely to be more effective?
Does the driver sleep on his side, his back or like my missus on her stomach?
Top or Bottom Bunk?
No one has sold me anything yet!
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It depends on an assailant getting their grubby mits on basic supplies like in this vid… It’s even got “50% Ether” on the can. “Just spray into the air intake - and wait five minutes” might as well be there for the brudders and drifting illegals infesting our roads with laybys these days.
What was it you needed to be sold on? Getting hold of the stuff, or what stuff exactly is being used to achieve rapid knock-out, with little (so far) fatalities?
The only thing your advertising video did is confirm that it knackers good engines. It increases compression, washes carbon and oil lubricant away and makes the engine addicted.
Which air intake are you spraying it into?
I am not sold on the idea of drivers being gassed, robbed and waking up with a headache and an empty trailer.
I have been a member of this forum for about 15 years. I have been driving in mainland Europe since 1976. Not once have I met anyone who was gassed with ether, chloroform or a fire extinguisher. I have met dozens of people whose best mates Uncles wife’s second cousin told the boss that is what happened.
Did I tell you about the Mafia buying my dinner and valeting the lorry for me.
Many years ago the Russian special forces ended a siege in a theatre by pumping a knock out gas into it to subdue the Terrorists and did so very effectively, but in the process many died, one of the main causes of death apparently was not a toxic reaction to the gas, but due to people suffocating from their tongue dropping back when they became unconscious, now in this case medical assistance was at hand immediately, despite this its estimated of the 800+ hostages, upto 200 died.
I personally think that with the amount of stories of people being gassed, there would be far people suffer from worse after effects than just being a bit groggy, and many fatalities.
However I can believe that some victims might have been drugged, but much more likely to be by something slipped into their food or drink.
muckles:
Many years ago the Russian special forces ended a siege in a theatre by pumping a knock out gas into it to subdue the Terrorists and did so very effectively, but in the process many died, one of the main causes of death apparently was not a toxic reaction to the gas, but due to people suffocating from their tongue dropping back when they became unconscious, now in this case medical assistance was at hand immediately, despite this its estimated of the 800+ hostages, upto 200 died.
I personally think that with the amount of stories of people being gassed, there would be far people suffer from worse after effects than just being a bit groggy, and many fatalities.
However I can believe that some victims might have been drugged, but much more likely to be by something slipped into their food or drink.
raymundo:
Oxygen depletion … A good friend of mine was killed this way by going into the hold of the ship he was on without venting the space first. We are now supposed to carry oxygen sensors with a low level alarm fitted before entering any enclosed space and a written risk assessement must be in place and NEVER go alone, one man remains at the entrance. It’s surprising the amount of different cargoes we did that will ■■■■ the oxygen out of the hold, timber being one of the worst.
In 2014 I was working on a ship in Goole docks on the air conditioning system and 3 crew members died through entering the ships cargo hold containing timber products, they died of asphyxiation from depleted oxygen levels caused by the timber. Another I recall was on King George dock in Hull where a father & son died through asphyxiation from rust dust caused by dropping the anchors, the chains of the anchors caused this. Absolutely tragic, we work on a lot of ships refrigeration systems and always have BA systems strapped to us.