New Roads?

If just about every other country in Europe can build new roads with EU money why dont we.

The EU are moaning about us not wanting to give up our rebate (although now Teflon Tony’s on the case I dont think it’ll be long before we do) why not get an agreement whereby if they agree to fund the building some new motorways in the UK we agree to give up part of the rebate?

Having said all that I still believe that if other EU countries can havethese projects funded from Brussels why not us.

Not just motorways what about new tram routes rail lines even modern canals(these could follow the routes of the old canal system but made deeper & wider to carry more freight & even high speed passenger boats as an alternative to coaches & trains

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HA HA HA HA HA HA :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Hey hang on it is not april fools day, my your not serious are you surely? :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

Look Europe is a one way street, basically whatever we have that they want they take - fisheries, agriculture, the law, Democrasy, gas and oil (they were after North Sea Oil but they realised it was running out, but wait till they want the billions of barrels under the falklands.) VAT, out chair on every international diplomatic body, Billions of our pounds that could have funded road improvements the list is endless…

And what benefit do we get? support? no of course not they just want to take more money the armed forces, the foreign & commonwealth office and many other things that you couldnt possibly think of a reason to need.

Oh yeah you know why we funded the road development in these countries, was supposedly for our trade, you know so our drivers could take our goods and sell it to them, but as Im sure you know it actually means the drivers and products from these countries have a easier and cheaper way of making it to our country.

Of course im not a little englander, we are a seafaring trade and shouldnt be tied to such an antidemocratic monolithic obhorrent structure as europe, whos only aim is to benifit the french.

Oh and you havent been reading the news, bliar has already given up over 1.5billion pounds of our rebate (your taxes that are going to the french and other europeans) for diddly squat.

Blair says you cant say no to europe, so how come thatcher and major managed it? and how come the french can say their is no negotiation over CAP yet they think its ok to take our rebate?

ralliesport:
… and oil (they were after North Sea Oil…

They couldn’t have that because a foreign country had already stolen most of it from the people it belonged to. :wink: :smiley:

Coffeeholic:

ralliesport:
… and oil (they were after North Sea Oil…

They couldn’t have that because a foreign country had already stolen most of it from the people it belonged to. :wink: :smiley:

But the norwegians were entitled to some of it… or do you mean scotland?

Well to be honest the english have peen paying for the scots since labour intorduced the barnet formula, you could call NSO a dividend for all that cash.

from the horses mouth

Lord Barnet, 81, is a former vice-chairman of the BBC but it was as chief secretary to the Treasury in the 1970s that he drew up the famous formula.

“Being chief secretary wasn’t the easiest of jobs and I devised a system that would save me a little trouble and I hived off Scotland and Wales,” recalls Lord Barnet.

But he agrees with critics of his formula that it is now grossly unfair: “Income per head in the north west and north east is much lower than in Scotland yet under the formula Scotland gets around £1,000 a head more in public spending than the average in England.”

The former Manchester schoolboy says at the time, it was not described as a formula because it was based on population, not on real need and he thought it would last only 12 months.

“But it was kept going for 18 years by Margaret Thatcher and John Major and it became a formula during that time,” added Lord Barnet.

“Now the present government won’t change it for fear of upsetting the Scots.”

sean, im totally anti eu, but i agree with what you say m8, if we are in it, lets at least milk the ■■■■■■■ in extremis! trouble is, youve got a load of tossers at the helm here that believe in giving it away! the mind boggles.

Im sure that a referendum would establish that the majority of the voting public want out of the EU, thats why we dont get one. I believe that this would be the case in Germany and other EU countries also. The longer it goes on the deeper our politicians will sneak us in and give all we have away. Combining countrys into one large state has never ever worked, look at Checkoslovakia, we all have different cultures. We will get in so deep then there will be a CIVIL war, that’ll be us fighting our way out again.
We need a new Watt Tyler ASAP.
Phil

Freebird:
We need a new Watt Tyler ASAP.
Phil

Watt Tyler was one of the leaders of the 1381 Peasants’ Revolt. He was a slain by the King’s supporters after drinking a jug of beer “in a very rude and disgusting fashion before the King’s face.”

thought I’d put that in before someone asks (I didnt know til I did a search :blush: )

Thanks Ollie, I was on the verge of a rant and cut myself off short. Hes a bit of a hero of mine thanks to my dear old bolshie Nan, and one of the last battles was fought near me where there is a burial mound, I say battle but it was more a case of the gentry cutting down working peasants trying to get some rights, I often remember that they had families and kids just like us.
Whats this got to do with roads :open_mouth: oops
(Mods) I go off topic at the drop of a hat and wouldnt be offended by being brought into line.
Power To The People (Wolfie Smith)
Phil :blush:

ralliesport:
Oh and you havent been reading the news, bliar has already given up over 1.5billion pounds of our rebate (your taxes that are going to the french and other europeans) for diddly squat.

Blair says you cant say no to europe, so how come thatcher and major managed it? and how come the french can say their is no negotiation over CAP yet they think its ok to take our rebate?

The frequent mentions on here of how favourable the Tories would be to the present Government have me puzzled. In case you’ve forgotten,Tories are truly the scum of the earth. Self-serving, selfish, greedy and grasping they will clamber over anyone and anything to protect their wealth and to accumulate more. The Conservative Party in the UK, much like the Republican Party in the US, are committed to safeguarding the capitalist system that has made them rich. Their essential argument is that those who have ‘earned’ their wealth should not be asked to help those who haven’t. They would prefer to see people homeless, poor healthcare and low standards of education than pay more tax. Due to the fact they will spend huge sums of money on private education and healthcare for their own families, it is pretty clear that the real issue for them is the idea of having to pay for someone else. I believe the whole right-wing ideology can be reduced to selfishness.
Tories also understand the basic truth of the capitalist system. The misconception that the general public are fed is that if they work hard enough any of them can ‘make it’ and become rich. This is a lie, in order for the few to enjoy mega-rich lifestyles there must be a broad base of poor people underneath them who are essentially footing the bill for their extravagance. The ludicrous wages earned by a very small minority of the population are undeserved, in fact they cannot be justified in any terms as far as I am concerned - why does anyone need that much money? They don’t, and at the high end of the scale this continued accumulation is more about power than wealth. Wealth on a large enough scale seems to ensure that you get the attention you want, incredibly influential people (for influential read rich) get access to all the top politicians. This is obviously anti-democratic, the richer that you are, the more your voice is heard and the more influence it has on the way our country is run.
The Tories under Thatcher were the scariest blight to afflict Britain since the Norman invasion. They successfully broke the back of the manufacturing industry, killed the trade union movement, sold off virtually all of the council housing stock and privatised everything in sight. Like Gecko stripping the assets of a company in the movie Wall Street, Thatcher stripped the entire country while in office. People were reduced to economic units, told they should be prepared to move anywhere for a job, that they should have no roots and the result? All sense of community dies in these conditions, people become more insular. Maggie even stopped free milk in schools earning herself the moniker ‘Maggie Thatcher the milk snatcher’ amongst others.
The Tories combined this capitalisation of society with a negative media campaign aiming to undermine anyone with a different point of view from them. They used every negative tactic in the book to attack the members of society they saw as leeching away their ‘hard-earned’ fortune - single mothers, refugees, children, the working classes, the homeless, the unemployed and the elderly. All of the people incapable of protecting themselves, all the people with the least political representation and the weakest voice in the media, the people most in need of help.
While cutting expenditure on all manner of social, health and educational services they spent more and more on the military, on subsidies to attract foreign companies and on supposedly making Britain more competitive in the world economy. From the poll tax to tighter immigration laws all of their policies were thinly veiled attempts at polarising wealth further, at making the rich richer and blaming the poor for their own predicament, as though their poverty proved they didn’t deserve better as they obviously weren’t working hard enough. They would site highly unlikely examples like Richard Branson, going from poverty to mega-wealth as proof that anyone could do this, as though effort and not opportunity would guarantee you a good living.

Right, back to the turkey curry.

does this mean you may not vote Conservative? :astonished:

Ollie:
does this mean you may not vote Conservative? :astonished:

You could say I’m wrestling with my conscience!

Meatpaste, I agree totally mate. The problem we have is that our political system doesnt work anymore (even without EU interference), we have ‘career politicians’ who dont represent the people.
I dunno what the answer is, voting just doesnt work anymore (I had always voted, till the last election that is), your vote is taken as a mandate for everything they do thereafter.
I dont know if it was Kaiser Bill in WW1 who called the Brits ‘Lions led by Donkeys’ it was true, it still is in peace time. A great race of people led by greedy, self serving morons who ‘know whats best for us all’.
Personally I think the world needs the ideals the UK has always stood for and its all being eroded.
Remember Yosser Hughes from ‘Boys from the Blackstuff’(?)
Revolution? Watt Tyler II where are you!
(Nurse says I have to have a lie down now :blush: )

thatchler was a grade a bar-steward and she said blair is a good un, and the country was in safe hands with him! what does that say? theyre all the ■■■■■■■ same, a trailer full of sewage that get in the cabinets, and the back benchers are all scrabbling for power peepots one and all.

I heard on the radio the other day that we also give egypt 200 million a year as well…maybe president blair would like to tell us how much hes giving to other countries as well as keeping the french in the luxury they are used to…via the CAP…
anyway…back to the roads…our roads are a total disgrace…our road builders are absolutely useless…they lay a new stretch of road…2 weeks later there are tram tracks…the bridge joints throw you outta your seat…the drain covers have sunk in nearly every town…there are cracks…pot holes…lumps and bumps
the eastern bloc countries are now enjoying some of the finest roads in the eu
the M25 is a concrete…noisy…mess…and to think theyre gonna widen it…years after it was built…
i remember when our first motorway was built…the m1…it was built by a company called Marples-Ridgeway…that was amazing cos Mr Marples was a member of parliament…and they had to dig it up again…cos he never put down enough ■■■■■■■■ underneath.(cash in his pocket)…and it was then re-built with tax payers cash…no doubt…the new road funding measures that are to be introduced…will be run by a consortium of MPs investment... Blair will be remembered at the next election..as a traitor....its true waht the papers say..he thinks of europe more than his own country..and hopes he will be remembered as the pm who actually did something for this country.....can someone remind me of what he has done....or should i say the new labour party...since they came to power..we have the worst hospitals...schools...crime work practices...and police forces.....the judges have gone soft on crime..because the government refuse to build new prisons....more cons have beeen released early to re-offend..and im sick and tired of it…i want my country back…i want to be proud to be english…and i want the foreigners to be told…`go practice your religion behind your door…cos this is a christian country, and if you dont like it…■■■■ off…
lecture over

amen to that bob!

Nothing like a good political rant to get rid of the xmas tension :wink: