New Roads?

meatpaste:
The frequent mentions on here of how favourable the Tories would be to the present Government have me puzzled. In case you’ve forgotten,Tories are truly the scum of the earth.

Thank You Meatpaste,
under the last shower we had massive unemployment, although it did discourage migrant workers. Instead we were the migrant work force. Truck drivers pay dropped and many were given the choice, lower wages or no job. The Tories took away all employment rights, this included any right to paid holidays. Yea! of course they dropped the income tax rates, but when the tories got into power in 1979 VAT was 8% when they left it was 17.5% and income tax for higher earners went from 83% to 40%. When challenged on how come the rich were getting richer, they used to say “it’s the trickle down effect, the rich will spend thier money and it will trickle down to you” The rich just put their money in off shore acounts to avoid paying anytihng to the Country that had made them rich.
This bunch the “new Tories” ain’t much better, but you’ll never get a government to look after the common man whilst we have the right wing media in this country. Our media is mainly owned by rich corporations who rob us blind, (Mudoch pay less tax than me) whilst making sure we never dream of voting for a system that might reign them in.
Finally there is plenty wrong with the EU mainly it’s undemorcratic and therefore unacountable to us the tax payer, but many of the stories about the EU you read in the Press are just that stories. I believe many are spread by Government, so they can pass unpopular legislation and blame it on the EU. Why do you think that the UK media is so anti EU, it isn’t for your benefit, it because they want a US system with none of the social legislation the EU has. If you think that would be a good thing, ask an American manual worker, how much holiday he or she is entitled to? Or how much of their wages go to health care or the fear of rocking the boat at work because not only might they lose thier job, but also the health care benifits or childrens college fund.

Yeah but…

Salut, David.

Yeah but…

Salut, David.

The frequent mentions on here of how favourable the Tories would be to the present Government have me puzzled. In case you’ve forgotten,Tories are truly the scum of the earth. Self-serving, selfish, greedy and grasping they will clamber over anyone and anything to protect their wealth and to accumulate more. The Conservative Party in the UK, much like the Republican Party in the US, are committed to safeguarding the capitalist system that has made them rich. Their essential argument is that those who have ‘earned’ their wealth should not be asked to help those who haven’t. They would prefer to see people homeless, poor healthcare and low standards of education than pay more tax.

So you like paying tax yes? obviously you would like to pay as much as you can and you do without complaining one bit. well not me, I despise having to pay tax for things I dont need, all the politically correct rubbish, employing thousands of people to state the obvious things and stiffle anything they view as unsafe or unfair. As for people earning their wealth yep, why should they help the people who wont, people who are happy to sit around on benefits all their lives not lifting themselves to even try to make themselves better. And who says spending money makes things better, We are paying over £80 billion into the NHS, about the same as what it costs in europe, yet its still letting people wait for operations, even when there are theatres there and staffed. Why are you so offended by capitalism anyway? afterall if companies dont make profits, they dont bother to invest and they dont pay taxes.

Due to the fact they will spend huge sums of money on private education and healthcare for their own families, it is pretty clear that the real issue for them is the idea of having to pay for someone else. I believe the whole right-wing ideology can be reduced to selfishness.

Absolutely selfishness, They spend their own money to get a decent education and decent healthcare, would you send your kids to the local doss house (comp) or if you could afford it pay to go private? Schoold are not going to change because they are paid by LEAs and they call the tunes, what if the government gave you the money to they give to the LEA to you and you decide how it is spent? you would be in control and you would get what you want.

Tories also understand the basic truth of the capitalist system. The misconception that the general public are fed is that if they work hard enough any of them can ‘make it’ and become rich. This is a lie, in order for the few to enjoy mega-rich lifestyles there must be a broad base of poor people underneath them who are essentially footing the bill for their extravagance. The ludicrous wages earned by a very small minority of the population are undeserved, in fact they cannot be justified in any terms as far as I am concerned - why does anyone need that much money? They don’t, and at the high end of the scale this continued accumulation is more about power than wealth. Wealth on a large enough scale seems to ensure that you get the attention you want, incredibly influential people (for influential read rich) get access to all the top politicians. This is obviously anti-democratic, the richer that you are, the more your voice is heard and the more influence it has on the way our country is run.

Yep its anti democratic, but so are the unions, so is labour employing thousands of civil servants and telling them if the tories get in they will loose their jobs, so is the family tax screw, vote conservative and loose it, all that rubbish about 24 hours to save the NHS, do you really think labour has saved it? Yes their are people who earn vast amounts of money, but I dont care as long as they have earned it, why arent you complaning about the minimum wage?

The Tories under Thatcher were the scariest blight to afflict Britain since the Norman invasion. They successfully broke the back of the manufacturing industry, killed the trade union movement, sold off virtually all of the council housing stock and privatised everything in sight. Like Gecko stripping the assets of a company in the movie Wall Street, Thatcher stripped the entire country while in office. People were reduced to economic units, told they should be prepared to move anywhere for a job, that they should have no roots and the result? All sense of community dies in these conditions, people become more insular.

They broke the back of manifacturing? no they crushed the unions absolutely and thank god they did, isnt it funny you saying about all these rich bosses, yet im sure you know the saying about scargill, went in with a big union and a small house, and ended with a big house and a small union. But of course the unions do no wrong do they? The winter of discontent didnt happen at all did it? Yes they sold of vast tracts of national industry, because they were worthless and costing billions to prop up, they should have privatised the RM. And who wants to live in a council house?

Maggie even stopped free milk in schools earning herself the moniker ‘Maggie Thatcher the milk snatcher’ amongst others.

so one minute your complaining about there being too many rich people, then you want to pay more tax to give their children free milk yes?

The Tories combined this capitalisation of society with a negative media campaign aiming to undermine anyone with a different point of view from them. They used every negative tactic in the book to attack the members of society they saw as leeching away their ‘hard-earned’ fortune - single mothers, refugees, children, the working classes, the homeless, the unemployed and the elderly. All of the people incapable of protecting themselves, all the people with the least political representation and the weakest voice in the media, the people most in need of help.

Single mothers shouldnt be single, if you have a child you have a father also, and he should help support the child. Refugees shouldnt need to come here afterall if they are in fear of their lives how come they have to come through two or three eurpean countries to get here?. Children, they have parents to look after them, who should also be legally responcible for them. There is no working class, it only exists when labour are going to loose an election. The unemployed should be helped back into work, not just offered a mirriad of benefits, The elderly should be paid a proper pension and not all these means tested benefits. There should be no public pension either though. Everyone should invst in their own pension. People should not need protection.

While cutting expenditure on all manner of social, health and educational services they spent more and more on the military, on subsidies to attract foreign companies and on supposedly making Britain more competitive in the world economy. From the poll tax to tighter immigration laws all of their policies were thinly veiled attempts at polarising wealth further, at making the rich richer and blaming the poor for their own predicament, as though their poverty proved they didn’t deserve better as they obviously weren’t working hard enough. They would site highly unlikely examples like Richard Branson, going from poverty to mega-wealth as proof that anyone could do this, as though effort and not opportunity would guarantee you a good living.

Actually they cut the defence budget in half, our aircraft carriers were being sold of or stripped down, only the falklands made us keep them. The poll tax is a better tax than what the council tax is, it would have been accepted if it had been handled better.

No one should earn money if they dont deserve it, yes you need the opportuneties, but you also need to work at them, and not just whinge and go on strike or quit and go on benefits if things are not going your way.[/i]

north surrey haulage:
If just about every other country in Europe can build new roads with EU money why dont we.

Blair.

Having said all that I still believe that if other EU countries can havethese projects funded from Brussels why not us.

Blair.

Ralliesport:
how come the french can say their is no negotiation over CAP yet they think its ok to take our rebate?

The French have agreed to negotiation, just reserve the right not to agree to changing until 2013, which is what everyone agreed to, including Blair, a year or so ago.

Coffee:
They couldn’t have that because a foreign country had already stolen most of it from the people it belonged to.

‘Donated to’ is probably a better word to use, bearing in mind the number of Scottish rulers of England. :laughing: Even in the present day the English are plagued by Brown, Alexander, McCartney, Reid, et al, and with a surname like that and his funny accent, probably Blair. It isn’t as if there is any choice with a Scotsman waiting in the wings for Blair to drop off, Kennedy or Campbell on the one hand, and, surely a closet Jock, Cameron, on the other :open_mouth: .

Truckyboy:
that was amazing cos Mr Marples was a member of parliament

Not only that, he was Minister of Transport :open_mouth: :open_mouth: .

Muckles:
Truck drivers pay dropped

Really? Can’t say I noticed :open_mouth:

many were given the choice, lower wages or no job

Think that is a misprint, should read ‘join the right union or no job’ :cry:

(Mudoch pay less tax than me)

Of course he does, he’s a foreigner who doesn’t live in England and, considering the power he wields over successive governments, is far more a threat than a few Polish drivers.

but many of the stories about the EU you read in the Press are just that stories. I believe many are spread by Government, so they can pass unpopular legislation and blame it on the EU.

Ahh! At last something I can agree with :laughing:

Ralliesport:
Why are you so offended by capitalism anyway? afterall if companies dont make profits, they dont bother to invest and they dont pay taxes.

And something else :open_mouth: :laughing:

Oh I can’t keep this up. Beginning to agree too much. Whatever happened to reasoned debate? :unamused:

Now then, about those roads… :confused: :open_mouth: :unamused:

Salut, David.

Roads :question: , what have roads got to do with all this… :confused:

Spardo:

Muckles:
]Truck drivers pay dropped

Really? Can’t say I noticed :open_mouth:

You must have been lucky, it happened round here.

Spardo:

many were given the choice, lower wages or no job

Think that is a misprint, should read ‘join the right union or no job’ :cry:

Yep! not happened to me, but heard the stories from various companies and I’m against that type if bullying they same way I’m against bosses bullying.

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