davecsm.
Like many more on here, you are part of the pc mob. Yes men, no real opion for uoyrself and just go along with what is percieved to be right in Britain. Think for yourself for a change. Have a look around you. I don’t care what you thinkof me - at least I speak my mind and don’t just copy what the Sun says
That was borderline. I’ll edit a personal attack against you just the same as I would if it were anyone else…but the rules apply to everyone, NO EXCEPTIONS!!!
Ok…can we calm this down please, guys.
The thread can stand for now, since somewhere in amongst the muck-slinging there is a good debate…however I have been through and fairly ruthlessly edited it according to our totally non-discriminatory rules (as the more observant amongst you will note 
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If you can continue to debate the issues and opinions, great. If there is any more personal attack or actual rascism, it goes.
THIS IS A YELLOW CARD
Carry on…
davecsm:
ralliesport:
“we are particularly interested in recruiting members of all ethnic backgrounds who hold a current driving licence and relevant work permits”I dont think it is discrimination in the advert, but what about at the interview? They are more interested in employing minorities than employing good drivers who would expect a decent wage. They want to exploit them basically, which is rasist also.
However remember a fair few months back. There was an argument about someone advertising in the jobcentre stating that “hard working people only need apply” this was decided discriminatory against disabled people. So prohapse the advert is rasist.
All adverts should just say what the job is, brief description, wage & contact. There should be no mention on what race or ■■■ they want to apply then its fair to everyone
Oh yes
ethnic : from a different race or interesting because characteristic of an ethnic group which is very different from those that are common in western culture
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What do you define as western culture ralliesport? Try and think of an answer yourself and not rely on a carp internet dictionary.
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=26408&dict=CALD
are you serious about western culture?
erm… western europe, northern america, australia, NZ.
are we allowed no culture now?
Wiretwister:
ralliesport:
Politicians are finding ways to divide people into minorities and some are quite happy for that.Possibly true but are they the only ones?
ralliesport:
We must resist this, there must be a greater identity, british who everyone can be no matter what.And British would be a minority in Europe, or even the world population. You can’t have it both ways. Come to think of it why is British to be assumed as the nationality of choice for every one?
We are all human beings we are devided into different groups because of age, gender, who our parents are, where we live, what out genetic makeup is the possibilities are endless and of course people like that, some because they think they belong to a wider group and feel safe, that is nature but dubious. Others like it because they can exploit it to their own advantage, either to exploit a group or destroy a group. They also do it to keep them down or make them fight amongst them selves like Saddam.
Who says a British identity is the answer. Im pritty sure alot of people would resent being called european, I certianly would. Being Irish, Scottish or Welsh seems to be no problem (although I think very few of them have been born outside of these countries) being english seems to be a problem although 90% of the population is. British is the easiest identity to be assumed by the widest population without much argument.
ralliesport:
We are all human beings we are devided into different groups because of age, gender, who our parents are, where we live, what out genetic makeup is the possibilities are endless and of course people like that, some because they think they belong to a wider group and feel safe, that is nature but dubious. Others like it because they can exploit it to their own advantage, either to exploit a group or destroy a group. They also do it to keep them down or make them fight amongst them selves like Saddam.Who says a British identity is the answer. Im pritty sure alot of people would resent being called european, I certianly would. Being Irish, Scottish or Welsh seems to be no problem (although I think very few of them have been born outside of these countries) being english seems to be a problem although 90% of the population is. British is the easiest identity to be assumed by the widest population without much argument.
An interesting conclusion but from the evidence of my own eyes and experience I arrive at an altogether different view. We are all human beings you say and with that I agree. However to suggest that we are divided into seperate groups is a nonsense unless that specific difference is directly related to the scenario. For example a mother will likely have a greater insight into child bearing than most fathers. Why because their experiences can not shared only related. To the point in Bulldogs original post the job of driving a truck can be done by anyone with the appropriate skills. Gender, nationality religious practice are irrelavent.
So lets explore the second paragraph:- It was my interpretation of your previous post, the one I quoted originally, that you were advocating every one should have a British identity no matter what. Now my geography may be a litle rusty but last time I looked Britain was part of continental Europe which is part of planet Earth. If you find that you get some added comfort by “tagging” yourself as British fine but how would you define being British? Our head of state (Queen Elizabeth 2) is less British than I because I can trace my ancestry back 6 generations with people born in this country. Go back further and you will see that the Romans, French, Vikings, Germans have all influenced Britains development over the past 2000 years or so.
However you choose to label yourself I doubt that you are any different to MOST other people in the world, be they French, Russian, Mexican, Afghan or Chinese, who simply want the means to provide for themselves, their families live at peace with their neighbours and let them do the same.
ohterry555:
english_jock:
seems to me this is turning into a "get bulldog" thread because hes said his views openly and honestly and you don`t agree with him so he must be wrong and you must be right
well said that man…
just because the golden arses of this site dissagree …he must be wrong…
too many condescending,patronosing,jumped up gits yes men on here who think they have the only say…
stick to your views if you believe them bulldog…
ohterry555 never a truer word has been said the yapping little poodles soon appear and give their self righteous views , I now only bother to look on here once a month or so now because the yes men have turned this into a very dull site
i knew there would be some one who knows what ive been saying for a while…
and there are others suffolk reefer boy, same here really only have the odd post basically its rubbish,(for want of a better word).
used to be the first place i visited once online aswell.second home it was, good crack…if its one thing i hate it is people saying what is a popular to say… not what they think… yes men, no bottle in there own conviction.wimps basically… YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE…so same here sfb m8 have a look in occasionally ,thats it…
el gordo 78:
english_jock:
if they are asking specifically for imigrants then yes it is discriminating against white people.most turks are white, equally former eastern bloc citizens, ukranians etc.
not sure but the ad doesn’t ask for immigrants ‘of colour’ does it? Unless I’ve just misread something somewhere.
maybe if they advertised for immigrants, - or EU drivers willing to work for minimum wage, maximum hours, no perks or benefits, no union leanings they may get some brit applicants amongst them
probably about cost-cutting and meeting CRE quotas.
no it doesn`t say anything about colour,but thats just the way i percieve it (if thats spelt right)
but are you saying british drivers should lower their standards and work for less so they get jobs in their own country 
basically,if you went to iraq,palestine,afgahnistan,or any other middle east country would you see adverts asking for ethnic drivers or wouldn`t you
british jobs for british people in great britain is what i think is right.and if you dont know what i mean by british,i mean people who were born here and their ancestors were born here,there is no arguement that i can see.were we asked if we wanted intergration no we wasn`t. so should we be PC because were told to be not in my opinion,
and what about those who hold a broader point of view following their own thoughts, feelings, instincts that happen to oppose those of bulldog etc and aren’t simply mimicking a PC agenda from the media. why should people be dismissed as PC lemmings simply for being more accepting and tollerant of things that vocal individuals are not so happy with?
smacks of a lack of counter-argument when a point is made, and simply a deflection shot designed to distract from the holes in their own argument.
ps - I aint saying on which side of the fence my opinion lies on this. far too complex to get into here and now with leanings to both sides on specific areas. this “oooh, you must be a PC moron - your opinion is therefore invalid” attitude spread like a mental cancer amongst the populace by rags like the daily mail does sicken me though.
english_jock:
but are you saying british drivers should lower their standards and work for less so they get jobs in their own countrybasically,if you went to iraq,palestine,afgahnistan,or any other middle east country would you see adverts asking for ethnic drivers or wouldn`t you
I’m playing devils advocate a little on that part - its the hauliers attitude toward drivers that expects we should lower ourselves to competem or lose out to cheap labour that I’m kind of back-chatting with it. Not all are like this of course but it appears to be a growing trend in some areas.
the iraq jobs etc - the resident ethnic population in that land (i.e. non-arabic) is relatively low and I’m sure the ex-pat populace there tend to be contacted when required for specific careers through agencies commonly used. It tends to be the western way when abroad if the knowledge I have is right. Equally if the manpower required isn’t available locally in the section of population they want, they advertise overseas (i.e. here) for foreign workers. The main difference is it tends to be for skilled jobs that can’t be filled reasonably by their own national workforce, and often when such staff are drafted in the supporting arms of the industry bring in more of the same nationality or other similar ones to make the working and resting environment more endurable, so bring a fair few of us over in different jobs including driving etc, hence the clusters of western workers contracted out there.
its late, I’m sleepy so I hope that all makes sense 
jj72:
of course everyone’s entitled to their views, but i’m sure there are other websites where bulldog would be better of airing his - www.bnp.com might be one, i’m not surei think rob.k has a valid point, plenty of people lump british citizens (even 2nd
and 3rd generation) asians, blacks etc in with “asylum seekers” which is patently stupid
clicked on the link but i`m confused as to why bulldog or anyone else would want to post views on a site aimed at improving your business
el gordo 78:
re-iraq jobs,Equally if the manpower required isn’t available locally in the section of population they want, they advertise overseas (i.e. here) for foreign workers. The main difference is it tends to be for skilled jobs that can’t be filled reasonably by their own national workforce,
and when they feel like it they cut their heads off with a knife 
bulldog:
exact wording:
. we are particularly interested in recruiting members of all ethnic backgrounds "
Ah, right. So your first posting was the usual pack of lies?
Vince
Wiretwister:
ralliesport:
We are all human beings we are devided into different groups because of age, gender, who our parents are, where we live, what out genetic makeup is the possibilities are endless and of course people like that, some because they think they belong to a wider group and feel safe, that is nature but dubious. Others like it because they can exploit it to their own advantage, either to exploit a group or destroy a group. They also do it to keep them down or make them fight amongst them selves like Saddam.Who says a British identity is the answer. Im pritty sure alot of people would resent being called european, I certianly would. Being Irish, Scottish or Welsh seems to be no problem (although I think very few of them have been born outside of these countries) being english seems to be a problem although 90% of the population is. British is the easiest identity to be assumed by the widest population without much argument.
An interesting conclusion but from the evidence of my own eyes and experience I arrive at an altogether different view. We are all human beings you say and with that I agree. However to suggest that we are divided into seperate groups is a nonsense unless that specific difference is directly related to the scenario. For example a mother will likely have a greater insight into child bearing than most fathers. Why because their experiences can not shared only related. To the point in Bulldogs original post the job of driving a truck can be done by anyone with the appropriate skills. Gender, nationality religious practice are irrelavent.
So lets explore the second paragraph:- It was my interpretation of your previous post, the one I quoted originally, that you were advocating every one should have a British identity no matter what. Now my geography may be a litle rusty but last time I looked Britain was part of continental Europe which is part of planet Earth. If you find that you get some added comfort by “tagging” yourself as British fine but how would you define being British? Our head of state (Queen Elizabeth 2) is less British than I because I can trace my ancestry back 6 generations with people born in this country. Go back further and you will see that the Romans, French, Vikings, Germans have all influenced Britains development over the past 2000 years or so.
However you choose to label yourself I doubt that you are any different to MOST other people in the world, be they French, Russian, Mexican, Afghan or Chinese, who simply want the means to provide for themselves, their families live at peace with their neighbours and let them do the same.
I dont believe people are seperated into their own groups. There is no reason to be seperated. I Believe people like to be in there own group through choice rarther than need. To be with your own kind and feel safe, that no one (should) take advantage of you or risk youre place. This I feel is just natural, but it can & will be overcome eventually. It will take time for everyone.
British. Well if you can trace your ancestry back 6 generations your ancestry would not have lived in a country called Great Britian. Our country has been influenced by many cultures, by many peoples. Afterall it is probable that most of the english race now came over here and drove the origional inhabitants into wales. Immigrants have come over here throughout the centuries and Im proud they have come over here and out country has prospered and they have prospered. Our langage is a version of a old german language. The romans intorduces us to many industrial ideas and we introduced much of the modern technology to the world.
Just out of interest what do you concider yourself?
I concider myself british, many others do (my grandmother is german). Geographically, yes we are on the contenental plate of europe. But you try telling the Irish republicans that we are both the same because we live next to one another, do you think they will agree? You define other people French, Russian, Mexican, Afghan or Chinese how? where they live, where they were born, what language they talk? you presumably define them somehow? if there is to be no british would you say people are defined from which tectonic plate they live on? or are we all just human with no division which is what Id like. Afterall if there is to be a French, Russian, Mexican, Afghan or Chinese surely there has to be a british?
Oh yes russian & afghan live in peace hmmmm… not what Ive heard funnily enough
ralliesport:
… The romans intorduces us to many industrial ideas and we introduced much of the modern technology to the world.Just out of interest what do you concider yourself?
What a load of arrogant [zb]. The expansion of the “British empire” was about the seizure of rescources and lands in the name of the monarch, later to exploit those areas for commercial advantage. The cultures of the middle and far East were more advanced than ours in fields such as medicine, philosophy, science, language centuries before we were “introducing much of the modern technology to the world”.
As it happens I’m a member of the human race who was fortunate enough to be born in the UK. Make of that what you will.
ralliesport:
… You define other people French, Russian, Mexican, Afghan or Chinese how? where they live, where they were born, what language they talk? you presumably define them somehow? if there is to be no british would you say people are defined from which tectonic plate they live on? or are we all just human with no division which is what Id like. Afterall if there is to be a French, Russian, Mexican, Afghan or Chinese surely there has to be a british?Oh yes russian & afghan live in peace hmmmm… not what Ive heard funnily enough
So you’ve found the weakness in the position I hold. The apportioning of a nationality is by nation of birth or nation of allegence. It is not as a badge of superiority.
Kind of sad don’t you think that children do not instinctively hate, they have to learn that hatred. Those who would teach such hatred really do deserve contempt for taking the “easier to break than build” path. Thats the path preached by Bulldog and English Jock in this thread who choose to identify themselves as British but in my eyes [zb]
If that last paragraph breaks the posting rules I apologise for posting it but not at all for the sentiment contained within.
Fair play, but it had to go.L.
Ok before you all start on me i am not racist . Here in Great Yarmouth we have a lot of imigrants kosovans/portugese. They are taking a lot of local work up what i feel british people can do, but from what ive heard (dont know if its true)
They are working for less money than we would get, good for them of course they are willing to work for less if that is the case. But i think my own personal thoughts why i lot of people in my area dont really want them here, is they hang around in big gangs when theres a group of them they stare at your wife and dont give a ■■■■, that you see them doing so. Even driving down a road after picking my wife up from work they are like all standing in a croud no room to get by so i sit there waiting ion them to move they dont move so i have to reverse up the road. What that all about i dont know. I now dont go up the town on saturday night as there’s loads of them in the pubs and i dont really want them to be staring at me and my wife all night. Yeah british guys have a look but at least we are a bit more descrete. So you kinda wonder why the bad feeling towards them im sure not all are like this, there’s prolly some real nice guys in there but the majority spoil it for the minority in this case. And i do have black friends and they feel the exact same way as i do sorry if this offends anyone but thats just my feelings
but are you saying british drivers should lower their standards and work for less so they get jobs in their own country
Maybe this is a regional issue too? For sure, here in Northants, there are far more jobs than drivers so it is irrelevant where the driver learnt to drive; as long as they are competant thats all that matters. The only real reason for low paid driving jobs is that bosses offer as low as they think they can get away with. A few weeks ago I laughed in the face of someone who offered me a job as they pay was too low and the hours too long.
Personally I have a good job, have a roof over my head, and get on with my own life and I am happy with that. If everyone did the same then maybe others would be more tolerant. Perhaps the Education system is to blame for some issues here. In Britain (as a generalisation) we are not taught to be self-sufficiant, and when things are going wrong many people tend to blame obvious targets, such as immigrants, politicians rather than getting on with their lot. If they had been made to go to school, instead of getting to unemployable status (crime records etc) then they would have their own career and would improve on their own life instead of moaning.
PMAC:
Ok before you all start on me i am not racist . Here in Great Yarmouth we have a lot of imigrants kosovans/portugese. They are taking a lot of local work up what i feel british people can do, but from what ive heard (dont know if its true)
They are working for less money than we would get, good for them of course they are willing to work for less if that is the case. But i think my own personal thoughts why i lot of people in my area dont really want them here, is they hang around in big gangs when theres a group of them they stare at your wife and dont give a ■■■■, that you see them doing so. Even driving down a road after picking my wife up from work they are like all standing in a croud no room to get by so i sit there waiting ion them to move they dont move so i have to reverse up the road. What that all about i dont know. I now dont go up the town on saturday night as there’s loads of them in the pubs and i dont really want them to be staring at me and my wife all night. Yeah british guys have a look but at least we are a bit more descrete. So you kinda wonder why the bad feeling towards them im sure not all are like this, there’s prolly some real nice guys in there but the majority spoil it for the minority in this case. And i do have black friends and they feel the exact same way as i do sorry if this offends anyone but thats just my feelings
Just to balance it out, a lot of my family live in Bradwell and they have trouble with gangs of white kids. There’s a mob that live on the next road to me in Gorleston that were splashed over the front of the Mercury for getting an ASBO, they’re all white as well. It’s the attitudes of the people that are the problem, ■■■■■■■■■ come in all colours. 
I’d say a lot of the problem is that most people in the area don’t really care for immigrants, so they stick amongst themselves. Local people look at it as threatening, want them even less and the whole thing goes round and round in circles.
If you compare the Portugese immigrants, who are allowed to work as EU citizens, to the Albanians,etc…I think there is less of an issue as it’s easier to integrate into the local society.
Rob K:
davecsm:
Rob K:
Have you finished Dave
Cheers.
Almost Rob - I just logged on and that was the first post I read - no doubt they will all be gone by the morning. I was going to have a go at you for something you said about the Poles but its way past my bedtime.
You were going to have a go at me
Cheers.
Sorry to take so long to get back to you but currently doing muppet job and don’t get on here as often as I would like.
To be fair to you Rob I don’t agree with 95% of what you say and you dish out a lot of verbal, but you take a lot worse - hope you carry on posting for a long time to come - though it is probably you that sent my blood pressure rising.
bulldog:
davecsm.
Like many more on here, you are part of the pc mob. Yes men, no real opion for uoyrself and just go along with what is percieved to be right in Britain. Think for yourself for a change. Have a look around you. I don’t care what you thinkof me - at least I speak my mind and don’t just copy what the Sun saysThat was borderline. I’ll edit a personal attack against you just the same as I would if it were anyone else…but the rules apply to everyone, NO EXCEPTIONS!!!
Ok bulldog, you have made a few leaps of the imagination here. I do have my own opinions - formed my living in a small Welsh village for the first twenty years of my life and not knowing anything about different communities and ways of life apart from the fact that my father was Polish and my mother is Scottish. They faced racism - they rented a house and when the landlady died they had the chance to buy it - a delegation of local men called to say that ‘foreigners’ shouldn’t be allowed to buy Welsh homes - my father grabbed a pickaxe handle and sorted that problem out - no one ever questioned his right to live in the village again.
Then I spent twenty odd years living in East London and Essex, my ex was an RE teacher and I used to meet people of all faiths and cultures - I was invited to bar mitzvahs, diwali parties, catholic Christmas services and so on and loved being in a society that had diversity. One thing I remember is being in a pub in Plaistow and was stood quietly at the bar having a pint. I noticed two blokes at the other end of the bar and didn’t like the look of them. An Asian lad walked in and one of the men glassed him cos he had brown skin - what type of mentality did he have to do that to someone.
We have always welcomed immigrants into this society and it hasalways benefited us - don’t be afraid of it.
Btw, I was rude to you and I apologise to you and to the mods - my excuse - well I was on the sauce but I will attack your arguments and not you in future.