Conor:
robroy:
Printouts can be mislaid or lost especially if/when you need them.Stick it in your wallet or your mobile phone case. It’s not like you’re going to have a whole wad of them and if you have then you need to seriously consider a career change.
Conor, if you have room in your wallet for printouts, maybe you should consider the career change to something more lucrative?
Darkside:
if you have room in your wallet for printouts
No room in…
My wallet for print outs. It’s all I can do to keep stuffing all the wedges of £20 notes in from being a lorry driver.
Oh the topic, oh yeh…12 on 12 off 6 days, no variations, no giving it back 3 weeks later bollox and no WTD nonsense.
yourhavingalarf:
Darkside:
if you have room in your wallet for printoutsNo room in…
My wallet for print outs. It’s all I can do to keep stuffing all the wedges of £20 notes in from being a lorry driver.
Oh the topic, oh yeh…12 on 12 off 6 days, no variations, no giving it back 3 weeks later bollox and no WTD nonsense.
I’ll take 15x5 PAID HOURLY AT £25ph and that’s card in, card out.
Then off me 15, take 2hrs(paid[emoji16]) for wtd/driving breaks which I can either have in one, or bolt too my daily, ooor spread as I like.
As for doing a sixth, it should be mandatory that f-off be accepted as final.
After all I’d need two days a week to spend all that coin I’d be earning [emoji16]
It’s a nonsense of a system, that could be refined/unified for the better, and easily, but as we all know it’s driven by ulterior motives under the guise of ‘safety’.
Only bit i see is the weekly rest part, which is gonna hurt those who maybe do get incentives to take the breaks up road, but as Rob says it shouldnt be a mandatory, it should be an agreed ‘flexibility’, and may also stop a few ‘bully boy bosses’ which if we’re honest is a good thing for us all I’d say.
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There is also another change, for you lot who use Ferries (I didn’t understand the train bit but it doesn’t affect my drivers)
If you are on a ferry where the journey takes less than 8 hours then you can’t break that time. I.E. the 2 interruptions totalling less than 1 hour are no longer allowed when the ferry journey is less than 8 in total.
Popcorn ready, let battle commence…
good_friend:
There is also another change, for you lot who use Ferries (I didn’t understand the train bit but it doesn’t affect my drivers)If you are on a ferry where the journey takes less than 8 hours then you can’t break that time. I.E. the 2 interruptions totalling less than 1 hour are no longer allowed when the ferry journey is less than 8 in total.
Popcorn ready, let battle commence…
! Can you copy in that bit please?
I saw another reference to being allowed to take part of a weekly rest on a ferry too.
.
But i haven’t looked at the full doc yet, myself…
good_friend:
If you are on a ferry where the journey takes less than 8 hours then you can’t break that time. I.E. the 2 interruptions totalling less than 1 hour are no longer allowed when the ferry journey is less than 8 in total.
That sounds like…
A reversion to the old ruling whereby you could only interupt your break once to get or off a ferry.
I don’t think that’s the correct interpretation: regarding daily rest, you can still break your ferry journey as before, but you can also now do this with a reduced daily rest whereas before you could only do it with standard daily rest.
PLUS… where your journey is scheduled to be 8 hours or more, you can use this interrupted rest as part of your weekly rest.
Zac_A:
I don’t think that’s the correct interpretation: regarding daily rest, you can still break your ferry journey as before, but you can also now do this with a reduced daily rest whereas before you could only do it with standard daily rest.
PLUS… where your journey is scheduled to be 8 hours or more, you can use this interrupted rest as part of your weekly rest.
I’ll go with that…
You have a much better understanding of it than I do.
Glad I don’t catch boats and trains any more.
Franglais:
! Can you copy in that bit please?
I saw another reference to being allowed to take part of a weekly rest on a ferry too.
.
But i haven’t looked at the full doc yet, myself…
ATM I only have the admendment document and it’s a bugger to read. Took me 3 goes and then I rang Clive to check. Basically when we go to Ireland the ferry is between 3-4 hours and before the 20th you could do the 2 x 30 min interruptions. It now says that the derogation (the flexi bit) is removed for ferry journeys less than 8 hours.
The Gov.uk site keeps saying it will explain more but I haven’t found anything useful on there yet. Can you bear with me?
Plus I don’t get time to come on here much anymore so other methods of communication may produce quicker results 
(or just ask Diesel Dave as he’ll know the answer)
good_friend:
Franglais:
! Can you copy in that bit please?
I saw another reference to being allowed to take part of a weekly rest on a ferry too.
.
But i haven’t looked at the full doc yet, myself…ATM I only have the admendment document and it’s a bugger to read. Took me 3 goes and then I rang Clive to check. Basically when we go to Ireland the ferry is between 3-4 hours and before the 20th you could do the 2 x 30 min interruptions. It now says that the derogation (the flexi bit) is removed for ferry journeys less than 8 hours.
The Gov.uk site keeps saying it will explain more but I haven’t found anything useful on there yet. Can you bear with me?
Plus I don’t get time to come on here much anymore so other methods of communication may produce quicker results [emoji38]
(or just ask Diesel Dave as he’ll know the answer)
Thanks for that.
(8)
Article 9 is amended as follows:
(a)
paragraph 1 is replaced by the following:
‘1. By way of derogation from Article 8, where a driver accompanies a vehicle which is transported by ferry or train and takes a regular daily rest period or a reduced weekly rest period, that period may be interrupted not more than twice by other activities not exceeding one hour in total. During that regular daily rest or reduced weekly rest period the driver shall have access to a sleeper cabin, bunk or couchette at their disposal.
With regard to regular weekly rest periods, that derogation shall only apply to ferry or train journeys where:
(a)
the journey is scheduled for 8 hours or more; and
(b)
the driver has access to a sleeper cabin in the ferry or on the train.’;
(b)
paragraph 2 is replaced by the following:
‘2. Any time spent travelling to a location to take charge of a vehicle falling within the scope of this Regulation, or to return from that location, when the vehicle is neither at the driver’s home nor at the employer’s operational centre where the driver is normally based, shall not be counted as a rest or break unless the driver is on a ferry or train and has access to a sleeper cabin, bunk or couchette.’;
OwenMoney:
(8)Article 9 is amended as follows:
(a)
paragraph 1 is replaced by the following:
‘1. By way of derogation from Article 8, where a driver accompanies a vehicle which is transported by ferry or train and takes a regular daily rest period or a reduced weekly rest period, that period may be interrupted not more than twice by other activities not exceeding one hour in total. During that regular daily rest or reduced weekly rest period the driver shall have access to a sleeper cabin, bunk or couchette at their disposal.
With regard to regular weekly rest periods, that derogation shall only apply to ferry or train journeys where:
(a)
the journey is scheduled for 8 hours or more; and
(b)
the driver has access to a sleeper cabin in the ferry or on the train.’;
(b)
paragraph 2 is replaced by the following:
‘2. Any time spent travelling to a location to take charge of a vehicle falling within the scope of this Regulation, or to return from that location, when the vehicle is neither at the driver’s home nor at the employer’s operational centre where the driver is normally based, shall not be counted as a rest or break unless the driver is on a ferry or train and has access to a sleeper cabin, bunk or couchette.’;
Thanks.
---------And there is this beautiful addition too—
in Article 12, the following paragraphs are added:
‘Provided that road safety is not thereby jeopardised, in exceptional circumstances, the driver may also depart from Article 6(1) and (2) and Article 8(2) by exceeding the daily and weekly driving time by up to one hour in order to reach the employer’s operational centre or the driver’s place of residence to take a weekly rest period.
Under the same conditions, the driver may exceed the daily and weekly driving time by up to two hours, provided that an uninterrupted break of 30 minutes was taken immediately prior to the additional driving in order to reach the employer’s operational centre or the driver’s place of residence for taking a regular weekly rest period.
The driver shall indicate the reason for such departure manually on the record sheet of the recording equipment, or on a printout from the recording equipment or in the duty roster, at the latest on arrival at the destination or the suitable stopping place.
OwenMoney:
---------And there is this beautiful addition too—in Article 12, the following paragraphs are added:
‘Provided that road safety is not thereby jeopardised, in exceptional circumstances, the driver may also depart from Article 6(1) and (2) and Article 8(2) by exceeding the daily and weekly driving time by up to one hour in order to reach the employer’s operational centre or the driver’s place of residence to take a weekly rest period.
Under the same conditions, the driver may exceed the daily and weekly driving time by up to two hours, provided that an uninterrupted break of 30 minutes was taken immediately prior to the additional driving in order to reach the employer’s operational centre or the driver’s place of residence for taking a regular weekly rest period.
The driver shall indicate the reason for such departure manually on the record sheet of the recording equipment, or on a printout from the recording equipment or in the duty roster, at the latest on arrival at the destination or the suitable stopping place.
So not only have they not took this opportunity to reduce the ridiculous amount of time we can work, they have in effect increased it ‘‘in certain circumstances’’ 
whilst being very careful on the ‘Covering their arses’ front by preceding the rule with a ‘Provided road safety is not jeapordised’ caviat 
…ffs
The ‘Cant get enough hours in crew’ will just interpret this as yet another regular hour to get in to increase their regular maximum totals.
As for road safety jeapordisation…(don’t make me ■■■■ laugh).,.I think that horse has bolted/ship has sailed, for as long as they allow a 15 on/9off shift pattern for 3 consecutive days.
■■■■ Beaureacratic Bellends with zero idea the lot of em. 
The Establishment want more of us working over 60 hours a week whilst avoiding any legal hassle for driving more than 56 hours per week…
Hey Presto, - expect to get 30-40 hours of unpaid POA soon!
…Unless you can nail down a better contract than this meanwhile of course…
Don’t sign up to “open ended contracts” I’d humbly suggest.
Sign up “Defined Limits” on one’s working hours/shifts at very least.
Zac_A:
I don’t think that’s the correct interpretation: regarding daily rest, you can still break your ferry journey as before, but you can also now do this with a reduced daily rest whereas before you could only do it with standard daily rest.
PLUS… where your journey is scheduled to be 8 hours or more, you can use this interrupted rest as part of your weekly rest.
Your idea makes a lot more sense but I still don’t read it that way. I still read that the ferry journey has to be over 8 hours before you can interrupt
Happy to hear what others think but ‘common sense’ and ‘driving regulations’ don’t often appear in the same sentence as you know
I’m open to other folks interpretations, I’m not a ‘legal eagle’ and wouldn’t claim to be,
but I’m still satisfied that 8 hour minimum journey applies only in regard to weekly rest, I think the line-spacing after “disposal” is intended to convey this
I haven’t seen anyone post this so far, so here are the new regs, as published in the Official Journal of the European Union. I’m disappointed that gov.uk hasn’t made the effort to post a more easily digestible version on their website yet.
EDIT - sorry, looks like the boards don’t allow uploads of pdf’s, so here’s the url instead
eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2020/1054/oj
Zac
Thank you. I think you’re correct. Sorry if you thought I was being rude
Don’t worry, I didn’t 
