delboytwo - did the company or their employees get any fines/penalties for non compliance of the RTD 
im currently doing the multi drop office stationary job that was mentioned earlier, round london. im only driving for about 2 hours per day but i always skip the wtd/rtd break. my excuse is because there is no where in between base (bermondsey) and my route (WC1) to stop. its all red routes and double yellows. its bad enough stopping for 5 mins to do a delivery what with all the traffic wardens. so i just do my work and go home. sod the silly break. i wonder what the penalties are for not having your 6 hour break because they were on about downloading my tacho this morning
ROG:
delboytwo - did the company or their employees get any fines/penalties for non compliance of the RTD
don’t know mate as said in post 
that was a general question open for any body to answer. because i was thinking the other week that the agency don’t seem too bothered about the rtd im usually working more than 48 hours per week any way. well if they aren’t bothered and no body is enforcing it. then why should i be bothered 
In most Industry in many Countries counts work from clocking in to clocking out.
Break is paid,and minimum of 30 min after 4 hour if a 15 min break during the time.otherwise 1 hour Break at once.
as you are European,and not British antmore,must you start thinking Global.
most Countries is nightwork Hard work,and can’t be done by Woman and Youngsters in most Industry.
thats why they will reduce the Danger for workers.But i believe you can do 12 Hour,as most always worked in 2 shift with change Weekly Day/Night.
You would work a wek day,and the next by Night.
There are more anounced,but i don’t know whens comming.
No Work for retired People,for exemple
no Work without official Supervisor. for exemple in Garages must be a master in Workshop when working.Must be a Master with Certificate,which means:“Lots of School and examen”
For overtime must the Company apply at the Ministery before Overtime can be done.(each single Time)
Well,will be funny till every Country has his own Law running all over Europe.
in that Case hold lookout for a job at rail or sea if you will do night work with good Social care 
the working time mite not be enforced, cos its the employee that has the right to work the average 48 hour week if you think you are working more you as the employee can get in touch with vosa and tell them that your firm are not following it and i sure the will come down and have a look and if the company as no RTD/WTD system in place or records for it there will get done there a forum member on here that works for said vosa and it would be interesting what he as to say if the are doing any one for it .
i had an interview last week for multi drop driver and the employer asked me am i fully aware of the RTD as some of the drivers with us now are missing there 6 hour rule brake and getting us in trouble (what he meant by that who knows)as some day your total driver time can be less than 4.5 hours all day as some of are deliveries are in office blocks and you could be on other work for must of the day (it was delivering office supplies) did not get it to much experience
IE class 1
After 4.5 hrs driving, or 6 hrs work, (Includes driving and otherwork) you are required to take a minimum break of not less than 45 mins. Unless you are on a maximum of 9 hr working day (9 in total) or less, then a minimum 30 minute break will suffice.
instructorone:
i had an interview last week for multi drop driver and the employer asked me am i fully aware of the RTD as some of the drivers with us now are missing there 6 hour rule brake and getting us in trouble (what he meant by that who knows)as some day your total driver time can be less than 4.5 hours all day as some of are deliveries are in office blocks and you could be on other work for must of the day (it was delivering office supplies) did not get it to much experience
After 4.5 hrs driving, or 6 hrs work, (Includes driving and otherwork) you are required to take a minimum break of not less than 45 mins. Unless you are on a maximum of 9 hr working day (9 in total) or less, then a minimum 30 minute break will suffice.
Hi mate yes i know what is reqiured
what i meant was
getting us in trouble (what he meant by that who knows)
delboytwo:
instructorone:
i had an interview last week for multi drop driver and the employer asked me am i fully aware of the RTD as some of the drivers with us now are missing there 6 hour rule brake and getting us in trouble (what he meant by that who knows)as some day your total driver time can be less than 4.5 hours all day as some of are deliveries are in office blocks and you could be on other work for must of the day (it was delivering office supplies) did not get it to much experience
After 4.5 hrs driving, or 6 hrs work, (Includes driving and otherwork) you are required to take a minimum break of not less than 45 mins. Unless you are on a maximum of 9 hr working day (9 in total) or less, then a minimum 30 minute break will suffice.
Hi mate yes i know what is reqiured
what i meant was
getting us in trouble (what he meant by that who knows)
Well, if the drivers aren’t taking their breaks, everybody involved get’s into trouble, I:E: the T/M, the CPC holder and the driver.
instructorone:
After 4.5 hrs driving, or 6 hrs work, (Includes driving and otherwork) you are required to take a minimum break of not less than 45 mins.
Rubbish. Yes 45 minutes after 4.5 hours driving but if it is 6 hours total work you are not required to take a minimum 45 minute break.
instructorone:
Unless you are on a maximum of 9 hr working day (9 in total) or less, then a minimum 30 minute break will suffice.
Not if you have more than 4.5 hours driving in those 9 hours of work, then 30 minutes certainley will not suffice.
Hi Coffeeholic
Coffeeholic
Rubbish
you don’t mince your words do you 
Coffeeholic:
instructorone:
After 4.5 hrs driving, or 6 hrs work, (Includes driving and otherwork) you are required to take a minimum break of not less than 45 mins.Rubbish. Yes 45 minutes after 4.5 hours driving but if it is 6 hours total work you are not required to take a minimum 45 minute break.
instructorone:
Unless you are on a maximum of 9 hr working day (9 in total) or less, then a minimum 30 minute break will suffice.Not if you have more than 4.5 hours driving in those 9 hours of work, then 30 minutes certainley will not suffice.
I didn’t say a Total of 6 hours…i said after 4.5 or 6 in total…(Whichever comes first)before the end of shift…ie, a normal shift that could be 9+…you shouldn’t have split the paragraph up, it wasn’t meant as 2 parts, it was 1…it should be read in its entirety. I know i’m no good at putting it correctly… 
but i know what i mean…basically, 4.5 hrs driving, or 6 hrs including other work means a break…then continue your day, the break, if sufficient re-sets the clock…
instructorone wrote:
After 4.5 hrs driving, or 6 hrs work, (Includes driving and otherwork) you are required to take a minimum break of not less than 45 mins.
instructorone:
I didn’t say a Total of 6 hours…i said after 4.5 or 6 in total…befor the end of shift…ie, a normal shift that could be 9+…you shouldn’t have split the paragraph up, it wasn’t meant as 2 parts, it was 1…it should be read in its entirety.
From the way it is written, I read it as -
After 4.5 hrs driving (Includes driving and otherwork) you are required to take a minimum break of not less than 45 mins
or 6 hrs work (Includes driving and otherwork) you are required to take a minimum break of not less than 45 mins
The first part before the or and the second part after the or both refer to the third part = (Includes driving and otherwork) you are required to take a minimum break of not less than 45 mins
There then comes the fouth part = Unless you are on a maximum of 9 hr working day (9 in total) or less, then a minimum 30 minute break will suffice.
The word unless makes it a seperate entity
Herein ends todays Inglish lesson
Bog orf Rog…i admitted, like you…that i’m not much good at putting the correct words in place… but…the point i was trying to make was…the breaks have to be taken, otherwise the T/M, CPC holder and the driver gets in trouble…no ors, unless, before, later, now, then…lol…sorry, but i know coffeeholics right as he broke it down, but i didn’t mean it to be broke down. 
(Just needed it put correctly)…again
instructorone:
I didn’t say a Total of 6 hours…i said after 4.5 or 6 in total…(Whichever comes first)before the end of shift…ie, a normal shift that could be 9+…you shouldn’t have split the paragraph up, it wasn’t meant as 2 parts, it was 1…it should be read in its entirety.
I split it at the full stop, the bit where you came out with total nonsense on how much break was required…
instructorone:
I know i’m no good at putting it correctly…
Indeed, but you didn’t just say break, you claimed it had to be a minimum of 45 minutes, when in relation to the WTD/RTD 6 hours it is a minimum of 15 minutes. It’s stuff like that coming from trainers and instructors - and you put yourself forward as Instructor Number 1 so people would assume you know what you are talking about - which leads to all the confusion and BS about the regulations.
instructorone:
Bog orf Rog…i admitted, like you…that i’m not much good at putting the correct words in place…
Nah - my problem is not correctly reading the words that are there in the context of their meaning - ask coffeeholic
Coffeeholic:
instructorone:
I didn’t say a Total of 6 hours…i said after 4.5 or 6 in total…(Whichever comes first)before the end of shift…ie, a normal shift that could be 9+…you shouldn’t have split the paragraph up, it wasn’t meant as 2 parts, it was 1…it should be read in its entirety.I split it at the full stop, the bit where you came out with total nonsense on how much break was required…
instructorone:
I know i’m no good at putting it correctly…Indeed, but you didn’t just say break, you claimed it had to be a minimum of 45 minutes, when in relation to the WTD/RTD 6 hours it is a minimum of 15 minutes. It’s stuff like that coming from trainers and instructors - and you put yourself forward as Instructor Number 1 so people would assume you know what you are talking about - which leads to all the confusion and BS about the regulations.
Thats not right either… 
4.5 hrs driving, or 6 hrs including other work means a minimum break of 30 mins, under WTD. It seems we were both wrong… sorry…
Coffeeholic:
instructorone:
I didn’t say a Total of 6 hours…i said after 4.5 or 6 in total…(Whichever comes first)before the end of shift…ie, a normal shift that could be 9+…you shouldn’t have split the paragraph up, it wasn’t meant as 2 parts, it was 1…it should be read in its entirety.I split it at the full stop, the bit where you came out with total nonsense on how much break was required…
instructorone:
I know i’m no good at putting it correctly…Indeed, but you didn’t just say break, you claimed it had to be a minimum of 45 minutes, (I also said, continue your day, and the break, if sufficient, be it 45, or 30) when in relation to the WTD/RTD 6 hours it is a minimum of 15 minutes. It’s stuff like that coming from trainers and instructors - and you put yourself forward as Instructor Number 1 so people would assume you know what you are talking about - which leads to all the confusion and BS about the regulations.
I just checked out the new drivers hrs revised 2009, and it dosen’t even mention the 6hrs break in it…
instructorone:
I just checked out the new drivers hrs revised 2009, and it dosen’t even mention the 6hrs break in it…
i just looked and it says this
gv262 2009 page 43
Breaks: — Mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break. — If your working hours total between 6 and 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by
a break or breaks totalling at least 30 minutes.
— If your working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break
or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes.
— Breaks should be of at least 15 minutes’ duration