Nelson Mandela

[kr79]

Rhythm Thief:

kr79:
Carryfast aint racist he likes desmond decker.

So do I … the difference is I’d be happy to eat in the same restaurant as him.

I wouldnt he died in 2006

[carryfast]

Rhythm Thief:
Ah, I see you are racist and stupid and ignorant, not just the latter two. Oh well, at least I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt.
It wasn’t right in Israel or Yugoslavia either. As I posted somewhere or other, what is now Israel was a peaceful multicultural community until the Zionists - who had remarkably similar ideas to yours - rolled in and unilaterally took over the land, culminating in the 1967 war which ended up with Israel extending its territory across 78% of Israel and illegally occupying the other 22%. That’s the source of the trouble in Israel, not the fact that some Arabs live there.
Ireland was a different matter, nothing to do with ethnicity. Although I’m now prepared for another twelve pages of the imbecile Carryfast ranting about different religions.

Yeah right you say you’re not a raving socialist but your answer to the differences between the different populations of Yugoslavia,would be more of the same of Tito’s failed integrationist agenda.Instead of seperating them into their respective independent ethnically based states.Or instead of Michael Collins agreeing to the partition of Ireland just turn down the offer and keep fighting.Which is more or less the policy which the idiot De Valera and the revolutionary Provisional IRA which followed carried on with in Northern Ireland after the pro partition forces had won the Irish Civil War.In which case it’s anyone’s guess what the casualty figure would have ended up being in all cases.

The continuing references to ‘Zionists’ instead of what they are ethnic Jewish Israelis also gives your reverse racist agenda away.For your information what actually happened in the 1967 Arab Israeli war was that the Russian backed joint Arab forces attacked Israel on a number of fronts.In order to carry out their reverse racist agenda of pushing,what was left of the population,after the inevitable massacre which would have taken place,into the sea.That’s ‘if’ the IDF hadn’t have very luckily stopped the zb’s with more than a bit of help of the superiority of British supplied Centurion tanks.All of the land which was taken after that was to create a decent buffer zone to give the IDF more time and space to work with when the inevitable further Arab attacks took place as in 1973.No surprise being a typical socialist you’re trying to cover your real agenda with bs but as I’ve said I’ve known much better ones with far more intelligence at covering their real agenda than you obviously are.Obama and Mandela obviously being of that calibre unlike you.

[senior50]

This just gets better he’s totely lost the plot now no ones arguing with him and he’s still going on and on and on

[rhythm_thief]

Carryfast, my old egg, let me tell you a story.
When I was little, I had a clockwork train set. There were three or four wagons, a little tank engine and an oval of track. I used to wind up the engine and watch it go round and round and round, until it ran down.
I’ve enjoyed revisiting my youth on this thread, but now I’ve had enough of you. A lot - nearly all, in fact - of what you’ve posted has been repellent cobblers, but it’s been fun to read. Goodbye.

[rhythm_thief]

senior50:
This just gets better he’s totely lost the plot now no ones arguing with him and he’s still going on and on and on

Even I’ve stopped.

[carryfast]

Rhythm Thief:
Carryfast, my old egg, let me tell you a story.
When I was little, I had a clockwork train set. There were three or four wagons, a little tank engine and an oval of track. I used to wind up the engine and watch it go round and round and round, until it ran down.
I’ve enjoyed revisiting my youth on this thread, but now I’ve had enough of you. A lot - nearly all, in fact - of what you’ve posted has been repellent cobblers, but it’s been fun to read. Goodbye.

That’s usually been my experience of the socialist mindset when anyone uses logic and objective argument to show the bs agenda up for what it really is.

So apartheid/re patriation wasn’t right in Yugoslavia,Ireland,or Israel in your view and let me guess now that your lot have ‘succeeded’ in probably turning South Africa and Rhodesia into a potential genocide situation in the long term, you’re next going to go to all those places and tell the different populations how good it would be if they took all the borders and barriers that seperate them from their respective hostile neighbours down.

You should have stayed with the train set instead of getting involved in stuff that requires at least some intelligence and a working knowledge of history.

[carryfast]

senior50:
This just gets better he’s totely lost the plot now no ones arguing with him and he’s still going on and on and on

You should actually read the posts and contribute something to the topic.

[harry_monk]

One of the mainstream techniques of propaganda is to establish the idea that someone who opposes the propagandist’s message is not just wrong in an objective sense but that they are morally wrong: you are beyond the pail, unacceptable, etc.

So anyone who tried to point out now that Mandela was directly responsible for the deaths of numerous innocent civilians in car bombings would be met with “How dare you try to justify apartheid? He was a saint and no-one must say otherwise!”

The time will come when no-one is left who has pinned their political colours to Mandela’s mast, at which point historians attempting an objective re-evaluation of his life will be able to step in. But none would dare at present.

[carryfast]

Harry Monk:
One of the mainstream techniques of propaganda is to establish the idea that someone who opposes the propagandist’s message is not just wrong in an objective sense but that they are morally wrong: you are beyond the pail, unacceptable, etc.

So anyone who tried to point out now that Mandela was directly responsible for the deaths of numerous innocent civilians in car bombings would be met with “How dare you try to justify apartheid? He was a saint and no-one must say otherwise!”

The time will come when no-one is left who has pinned their political colours to Mandela’s mast, at which point historians attempting an objective re-evaluation of his life will be able to step in. But none would dare at present.

Even then I’d doubt it Harry unless we’ve also gone through a total reverse in the raving ‘‘anyone who doesn’t agree with the idea of ethnic integration is a racist’’,policy at governmental and societal level.

Although it’s no surprise that the government’s selective use of that gets caught out,when the inconvenient inconsistency,between the ( correct ) policy of what was effectively apartheid,in the case of the Irish and Yugoslav problems,is pointed out.IE you can’t be a supporter of UK and Irish government policy concerning the partition of Ireland for example while being a supporter of the removal of apartheid in the case of South Africa and Rhodesia.

What we’ve got in this case is a bs double standards situation,of the government and it’s raving not very bright socialist followers :

1. selectively imposing a policy of dangerous integration,in the case of ethnic African and European populations.

and 2) a different policy of apartheid in the case of Ireland and Yugoslavia etc.

When the former policy has even higher potential for causing massive casualties at some point in the future than continuing with the integration of the opposing factions in the latter cases would have done.Those historians who you’re referring to would probably see that glaring inconsistency when trying to make sense of a post ethnic violence apocalyptic scenario in the case of those countries where that selective policy of ethnic integration was imposed.

I think the current rate of documented attacks,by the ethnic African population on ethnic European Africans in Rhodesia and South Africa,and the fate of drummer Rigby,and the London terrorist attacks,and the ‘white widow’ case, are the warnings that the socialists want to everyone to ignore.

While the zb’s get on with carrying out a similar type of social engineering experiment that Tito did in Yugoslavia.The difference being that the stakes in this case,and the casualty numbers involved,would inevitably be far higher.I just hope that maybe those future historians could somehow get access to this topic if/when the time comes.

[rhythm_thief]

Carryfast:

senior50:
This just gets better he’s totely lost the plot now no ones arguing with him and he’s still going on and on and on

You should actually read the posts and contribute something to the topic.

Oh, there’s nothing wrong with your sense of irony, is there? You’ve obviously not read anything I’ve written, or at least if you have, you haven’t understood any of it, or indeed made any attempt to. But then, that’s not quite as easy as dismissing anyone arguing against you as a raving socialist zb and posting a big load of verbal bum gravy, is it?
Anyway, I swore I wasn’t going to spend any more time hanging around with thick racists. Goodbye again, enjoy your shallow and empty little life.

[carryfast]

Rhythm Thief:

Carryfast:

senior50:
This just gets better he’s totely lost the plot now no ones arguing with him and he’s still going on and on and on

You should actually read the posts and contribute something to the topic.

Oh, there’s nothing wrong with your sense of irony, is there? You’ve obviously not read anything I’ve written, or at least if you have, you haven’t understood any of it, or indeed made any attempt to. But then, that’s not quite as easy as dismissing anyone arguing against you as a raving socialist zb and posting a big load of verbal bum gravy, is it?
Anyway, I swore I wasn’t going to spend any more time hanging around with thick racists. Goodbye again, enjoy your shallow and empty little life.

That seems to confirm to me that I’ve read and understood your bs socialist ideology,in equating the idea of seperating different ethnic groups,as opposed to trying ( and inevitably failing in the long term ) to integrate them,as being ‘racist’.Your foreign policy skills are wasted on here you should get over to Yugoslavia and tell the Serbs and the Bosnians etc that they are all racists and should live together in peace just as Tito told them. Then if you survive that you can then go to Ireland and tell the two opposing Irish populations to remove the border between North and South ( and even the artificial ones that seperate opposing housing estates in the North ) because they are all one and the same.Assuming that your luck holds then you can go to Israel and tell them to remove their borders and merge the place with their Arab neighbours so that they can all live together in peace ever after.Then assuming that works out you can tell all those evicted,and soon to be evicted,ethnic European Africans that they should be happy to be thrown off their farms under threat of murder because if they don’t go qietly they’d be racists.Who’s calling who thick now.

[simon]

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As there seems to be a wide spread inability to argue without falling into primary school name calling and personal abuse, this thread is closed.
If you have any wish to carry on the argument, take it to PM, or even the chat room.
I’d better remind you that abuse of the PM system can result in the privilege of use of the PM system being removed from an abuser.

I’m sure that the admin team will review this thread. They might decide rescind my decision. They might not. They may also decide to take further action.