switchlogic:
Blimey, could you possibly wrote socalist more in one post? Sorry to disappoint old bean but I’m no socalist, no anything really, I have a wide variety of views from across the political spectrum, like most people. Political labels are for the stupid and the simple who can only debate by putting people in boxes. I do like however your point that Dekker cant be racist being black but Mugabe is. Anyone can be a racist or a bigot, it crosses all boundaries. (I know nothing about good old Desmond so it’s not a comment on him. Ive a feeling you dont either)
You say that you don’t put anyone in boxes and you’re not a socialist.
But then if I’ve read it right,the fact that I support the ideas of apartheid and/or repatriation,of both the ethnic African population here and the ethnic European population in Africa,in addition to pointing out the inconsistency in supporting the policy of removal of the ethnic European government leaders in Rhodesia and South Africa on ethnicity grounds,while at the same time supporting the idea of ethnic African government leaders in countries outside of Africa,seems to be sufficient reason for you to put me in the box of so called racist.
That all sounds as socialist as socialism gets to me.
As for Desmond Dekker I’ve always liked his music and followed it since a young age.As I’ve said I think his views as expressed in that record are the correct solution in this case.As for Mugabe it isn’t his colour that makes him racist it’s his typical socialist ideology in being racist when it suits him just like any white socialist.
Harry Monk:
If you can’t spare 12 minutes to watch the whole video, fast forward to 06:00 and watch it from there. Absolutely harrowing.
Forgive me if I’m not grieving for the loss for Mr Mandela tonight, if there’s one man who thoroughly deserved the hangman’s noose it was him.
In that video it talks about crimes committed in 1987, Mandela was in prison at that time (and had been there for more than 20 years), you’re going to have trouble blaming him !
RIP Mandela , IMO a great man who was instrumental in the end of apartheid and has kept South Africa out of civil war for many years
Denis F:
In that video it talks about crimes committed in 1987, Mandela was in prison at that time (and had been there for more than 20 years), you’re going to have trouble blaming him !
Mandela was the leader of the ANC when he was physically placing explosives in the 1960s, and for the entire length of time that he was in prison. When he became South Africa’s President he was still leader of the ANC.
His wife wasn’t very nice either, “necklacing” and all that. It’s all out there on the internet for anyone to find.
Heard he still controlled the ANC while inside so could still be responsible, my views on him go along with Harry’s. He had an agenda and he didn’t give a toss who stood in his way, black or white.
raymundo:
my views on him go along with Harry’s. He had an agenda and he didn’t give a toss who stood in his way, black or white.
^ +1
It’s obvious that Harry was referring to Mandela’s links to the ANC both before his arrest and after his release while everything concerning the PC support of the overthrow of the South African government is directly linked to the actions of the ANC.In just the same way that the Rhodesian government was overthrown by the joint operations of the Communist backed FRELIMO,ZANLA,and ZAPU.It’s equally obvious that the whole thing was a communist inspired proxy campaign against Western interests in just the same way that Communist support of the Arab forces against Israel was/is.
Harry Monk:
You seem to be the only racist I can see on this thread in that you seek to justify Mandela’s actions on the grounds of the colour of his skin.
Ok you believe that if you want. Typical of a bigot to believe everything is black and white.
There’s racial equality in the USA, you may have noticed that they even have a black president. The NAACP achieved this through peaceful campaigning, using words, not bombs, to win the argument.
Harry, you’re a bright lad but you really need to have a think about your quote. The southern states of the U.S. are among the most bigoted, racist areas on this planet, it is not a place to be black or poor. . . . or worse still, both. Obama is a gargantuan leap forward in the social development of the U.S. but in real terms it’s the blink of an eye in their history.
I guess you won’t be going to the funeral then H ?
There’s racial equality in the USA, you may have noticed that they even have a black president. The NAACP achieved this through peaceful campaigning, using words, not bombs, to win the argument.
Harry, you’re a bright lad but you really need to have a think about your quote. The southern states of the U.S. are among the most bigoted, racist areas on this planet, it is not a place to be black or poor. . . . or worse still, both. Obama is a gargantuan leap forward in the social development of the U.S. but in real terms it’s the blink of an eye in their history.
I guess you won’t be going to the funeral then H ?
As I see it the Southern States ( CSA ) were invaded,by a foreign force made up of typical reverse racist zb’s,having taken the democratic decision to secede from the USA.While trying to then deal with results of that by running an apartheid system to defend their own culture against an obvious reverse racist policy of forced integration with a totally different ethnic African one.So why is it ok in your view that the resulting forced federal zb up now has an ethnic African president while it was considered as unacceptable for both Rhodesia and South Africa to have an ethnic European leadership.It seems about as hypocritical as hypocricy gets.
Maybe its because Obama doesn’t persecute whites whereas white African leaders persecuted black’s. Amazing how such a simple point when over your head.
switchlogic:
Maybe its because Obama doesn’t persecute whites whereas white African leaders persecuted black’s. Amazing how such a simple point when over your head.
Why would anyone want to persecute an ethnic group that they don’t want anything to do with.IE they aren’t/shouldn’t be there because they are/should be in their own areas.Maybe you need to find out exactly what apartheid actually means.It means seperation not persecution.While in this case we’re not just talking about South Africa we’re also talking about the Southern States of America.
If we want to get in to american politics and who should be incharge rightfully. Prehaps it should be a man in a feather headdredd and a totem pole in the front garden.
Yes Mandella was a terrorist and deserved to be locked up but adleast he admitted it unlikeadams and mcguinness. When he come out he could have been bitter and carried on the armed struggle and persecuted the old regime when he got power but didnt.
I dont get all this we all should be saddened and moved by his passing same with diana. I didnt know either and they didnt affect my life. Maybe if i was a black south african i might but im not.
switchlogic:
Maybe its because Obama doesn’t persecute whites whereas white African leaders persecuted black’s. Amazing how such a simple point when over your head.
Why would anyone want to persecute an ethnic group that they don’t want anything to do with.IE they aren’t/shouldn’t be there because they are/should be in their own areas.Maybe you need to find out exactly what apartheid actually means.It means seperation not persecution.While in this case we’re not just talking about South Africa we’re also talking about the Southern States of America.
switchlogic:
Maybe its because Obama doesn’t persecute whites whereas white African leaders persecuted black’s. Amazing how such a simple point when over your head.
Why would anyone want to persecute an ethnic group that they don’t want anything to do with.IE they aren’t/shouldn’t be there because they are/should be in their own areas.Maybe you need to find out exactly what apartheid actually means.It means seperation not persecution.While in this case we’re not just talking about South Africa we’re also talking about the Southern States of America.
Cripes, never had you down as being that naive…
The fact is it was the ‘Final Solution’ which is the logical conclusion of what racism and socialism really means.Apartheid and re patriation is the total opposite to that,as I said,in being exactly the correct solution to the type of ethnic violence which applied in National Socialist Germany and the former Socialist zb up of Yugoslavia.
As for the Confederate Army do you really think that the average working class Confederate Soldier was fighting for the former and not the latter of those scenarios in the case of the wrongly imported ethnic African population there who were wrongly imported to make a few people rich.IE as Desmond Dekker rightly said they wanted to go home and the Confederate Army was actually fighting to get them there not keep them there or massacre them.
While it’s the present socialist idea of integration and reverse racism that’s more likely to lead to yet more of the former in the case of South Africa and Rhodesia’s ethnic European population in the long term.While it’s anyone’s guess what will eventually happen in the now socialist driven ideology that’s taken hold here and in America since the wrong side won the American Civil War in the 1860’s.The fate of drummer Rigby seems to show where that’s likely to lead in the future in just the same way as Tito’s social engineering plan did in Yugoslavia.
From Mandela to to the Nazis to Rhodesia’ to America to the Confederate Army to Yugoslavia to Tito in one post. Well done. Big pat on the head for you.
switchlogic:
From Mandela to to the Nazis to Rhodesia’ to America to the Confederate Army to Yugoslavia to Tito in one post. Well done. Big pat on the head for you.
It’s obviously a waste of time expecting you to be able to understand the connections between the inter ethnic issues which applied/y in all those cases and the inconsistencies,between the correct solutions like Israel and the breakup of the Yugoslav federation into it’s seperate ethnic states,that were applied in some of those cases.Compared to the wrong ones which have been applied in others,such as Rhodesia,South Africa,here and the USA etc.However maybe someone else might be able to understand all that which is why I bothered.
Sorry, just trying to lighten the subject a bit 
