Harry Monk:
Amnesty International refused to take on Nelson Mandela’s case because he was not a political prisoner but a terrorist who had committed numerous violent crimes, had a fair trial and received a reasonable sentence. Mandela pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including a bombing campaign in which nearly 200 innocent people were killed.
Good riddance to him. He was Gerry Adams in a black skin. It’s pathetic how so many people can be led by the nose by what the television tells them to think.
Harry, Have you ever been to Africa ? The place is a world away from where it was when Mandela was released, he has to take great credit for some of the changes. I agree that he had an involvement in a brutal armed struggle, but one could strongly argue that the end justified the means, as bitter as the pill is to swallow, as in the case of our good friends across the Irish sea. And while we’re having a history lesson, check out some of the atrocities carried out in the name of the British Empire and the Monarchs of the day !
I have on a number of occasions . I also have family there … also young family members who only know about MD since his release from prison.
If you ask them they will tell you parts of the (black) society have become worse… Johannesburg was a beautiful city, you could walk the streets with somewhat safety… not anymore.
The murder rate has rocketed. My cousins are looking to emigrate to Newzeland or Australia. My uncle and his wife are seriously thinking of following their children.
Harry Monk:
Amnesty International refused to take on Nelson Mandela’s case because he was not a political prisoner but a terrorist who had committed numerous violent crimes, had a fair trial and received a reasonable sentence. Mandela pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including a bombing campaign in which nearly 200 innocent people were killed.
Good riddance to him. He was Gerry Adams in a black skin. It’s pathetic how so many people can be led by the nose by what the television tells them to think.
Harry, Have you ever been to Africa ? The place is a world away from where it was when Mandela was released, he has to take great credit for some of the changes. I agree that he had an involvement in a brutal armed struggle, but one could strongly argue that the end justified the means, as bitter as the pill is to swallow, as in the case of our good friends across the Irish sea. And while we’re having a history lesson, check out some of the atrocities carried out in the name of the British Empire and the Monarchs of the day !
I have on a number of occasions . I also have family there … also young family members who only know about MD since his release from prison.
If you ask them they will tell you parts of the (black) society have become worse… Johannesburg was a beautiful city, you could walk the streets with somewhat safety… not anymore.
The murder rate has rocketed. My cousins are looking to emigrate to Newzeland or Australia. My uncle and his wife are seriously thinking of following their children.
You need to remember that Mandela’s and the ANC’s supporters here have been brainwashed by years of socialist driven bs.Because the ethnic European governments are too scared to admit the truth that sooner or later the issue of repatriation will have to be addressed in the case of both the ethnic European African population in Africa and the ethnic African populations living here.
switchlogic:
You’re right, he stood for planting bombs in railway stations and shopping centres, targeting innocent people who had absolutely no power whatsoever to effect the changes he was seeking and I don’t. I’d suggest you Google “Mandela bombings” and then “Images” to see which one of us is full of hate.
+1 It disgusts me how all these hypocrite leaders are paying tributes to him. They have very short memories of the death and destruction he brought upon his fellow South Africans in one case killing 28 women and children in a bomb explosion at Johannesburg railway station
I remember that there was once a possibility of putting up a statue of him in London, possibly Trafalgar Square, an idea which was backed by a lot of prominent people, I just failed to see the relevance he had to the UK to justify this, and could think of a few great Brits which would be a better proposition.
Just to go slightly off the point, am I the only one that finds it amazing that one or two on this thread actually freely admit to being racist , a visit to Auschwitz or Dachau where racism was carried to it’s ultimate point, may go a long way to at least think before admission
The video, with the interviews of parents of the Messina landmines victims, is absolutely harrowing, and testimony to the fact that the ANC were as keen to target blacks as they were whites.
When Mandela was President, he gave medals to the men that carried this out.
Am I racist when I say that some parts of our Country are at saturation point.There is a chronic shortage of housing education and medical facilities .We should not ever have had an open to all border policy.The Australians let people in if they have a trade or skills that would be useful to the country ,I think that we ought to adopt similar policies.
switchlogic:
You’re right, he stood for planting bombs in railway stations and shopping centres, targeting innocent people who had absolutely no power whatsoever to effect the changes he was seeking and I don’t. I’d suggest you Google “Mandela bombings” and then “Images” to see which one of us is full of hate.
+1 It disgusts me how all these hypocrite leaders are paying tributes to him. They have very short memories of the death and destruction he brought upon his fellow South Africans in one case killing 28 women and children in a bomb explosion at Johannesburg railway station
I suggest you amend that quote, I dont want it looking like I spouted that bs.
And do you mean these leaders who all have blood on their hands themselves? Its ok though, they wear suits and sit in Downing Street and the White House, they cant gave done anything bad.
Be interesting to know how many of you sanctimonious types denouncing him as a terrorist wouldn’t say a word if it was a white man that had carried out terror against black’s. After all several of you openly admit to being racist already.
switchlogic:
And do you mean these leaders who all have blood on their hands themselves? Its ok though, they wear suits and sit in Downing Street and the White House, they cant gave done anything bad.
You seem to have missed the point. This thread is about Nelson Mandela. Were it about Blair or Bush I would be first to point out their human rights atrocities. But it isn’t about Blair or Bush, it’s about Mandela.
robroy:
I remember that there was once a possibility of putting up a statue of him in London, possibly Trafalgar Square, an idea which was backed by a lot of prominent people, I just failed to see the relevance he had to the UK to justify this, and could think of a few great Brits which would be a better proposition.
Just to go slightly off the point, am I the only one that finds it amazing that one or two on this thread actually freely admit to being racist , a visit to Auschwitz or Dachau where racism was carried to it’s ultimate point, may go a long way to at least think before admission
Maybe you could at least identify who you’re calling a racist and why and how is it that removing the ethnic European based governments in Rhodesia and South Africa in favour of ethhnic African based ones,in the form of Mugabe and the ANC,all based on ending ‘white rule’ is considered ok but it’s not considered ok to do the same in banning ethnhic African politicians like Obama from power outside of the African homeland.
As for the victims of Aushwitz etc they were killed by a form of socialism in just the same way that those who are considered the wrong colour,in being white have been,and those probably yet to be,killed by the same thing in South Africa and Rhodesia.
While added to that those supporters of the bs socialist cause seem happy enough to criticise the Israelis for taking the required action needed to stop the same thing from ever happening again in their case.No doubt being in support of the Russian backed forces who’ve killed enough of them since that time in defending their ( rightful ) homeland.
switchlogic:
Be interesting to know how many of you sanctimonious types denouncing him as a terrorist wouldn’t say a word if it was a white man that had carried out terror against black’s. After all several of you openly admit to being racist already.
The difference in this case being that there’s a big difference in supporting the idea of what brought peace to the former socialist zb up of Yugoslavia and the Israeli state solution which will protect that ethnic group from ever again being subject to the type of events which took place against them by the National Socialist Germany,as opposed to just using violence to intimidate any ethnic group because of what and who they are.The latter being more what the Mugabe and ANC regimes are all about than the apartheid regimes of Rhodesia and South Africa which were more a case of the former.Although as I’ve said it’s going to be the Israeli type solution in bringing them home which will eventually be required for the remaining ethhnic Eurpean populations of South Africa and Rhodesia.By the same yardstick the same applies to those ethnic Africans living outside their ethnic homeland.
switchlogic:
And do you mean these leaders who all have blood on their hands themselves? Its ok though, they wear suits and sit in Downing Street and the White House, they cant gave done anything bad.
You seem to have missed the point. This thread is about Nelson Mandela. Were it about Blair or Bush I would be first to point out their human rights atrocities. But it isn’t about Blair or Bush, it’s about Mandela.
Forum posts often have many tangents old chap, I would have thought you’d know that by now, after all you cause enough of them on other posts. The poster I quoted mentioned world leaders, I made a point concerning them. Keep up. I haven’t missed the point at all, my point was to call a man with such a wide and varied life, who payed for his crimes with 27 years in prison, who openly repented and regretted his past actions and changed himself, nothing more than a terrorist is just childishly simplistic. Besides I didn’t name Blair or Bush did I, every PM or President that has ever overseen a war has blood on their hands one way or another for right or wrong, do you call them terrorists? The biggest difference between most of them and Mandela is he served time for his actions and they get away scot free
switchlogic:
Be interesting to know how many of you sanctimonious types denouncing him as a terrorist wouldn’t say a word if it was a white man that had carried out terror against black’s. After all several of you openly admit to being racist already.
The difference in this case being that there’s a big difference in supporting the idea of what brought peace to the former socialist zb up of Yugoslavia and the Israeli state solution which will protect that ethnic group from ever again being subject to the type of events which took place against them by the National Socialist Germany,as opposed to just using violence to intimidate any ethnic group because of what and who they are.The latter being more what the Mugabe and ANC regimes are all about than the apartheid regimes of Rhodesia and South Africa which were more a case of the former.Although as I’ve said it’s going to be the Israeli type solution in bringing them home which will eventually be required for the remaining ethhnic Eurpean populations of South Africa and Rhodesia.By the same yardstick the same applies to those ethnic Africans living outside their ethnic homeland.
I hope that makes sense in your head because written down it looks like a collection of random words. I like the last bit though ‘LOOK, I CANT BE A RACIST, I LIKE DESMOND DEKKER’
switchlogic:
Forum posts often have many tangents old chap, I would have thought you’d know that by now, after all you cause enough of them on other posts. The poster I quoted mentioned world leaders, I made a point concerning them. Keep up. I haven’t missed the point at all, my point was to call a man with such a wide and varied life, who payed for his crimes with 27 years in prison, who openly repented and regretted his past actions and changed himself, nothing more than a terrorist is just childishly simplistic. Besides I didn’t name Blair or Bush did I, every PM or President that has ever overseen a war has blood on their hands one way or another for right or wrong, do you call them terrorists? The biggest difference between most of them and Mandela is he served time for his actions and they get away scot free
I don’t imagine you would be so keen to lionise the Enniskillen Remembrance Day Service IRA bombers or the Chechen hostage takers at Beslan school or the Ku Klux Klan though, even if they openly repented and regretted their past. You seem to be the only racist I can see on this thread in that you seek to justify Mandela’s actions on the grounds of the colour of his skin.
There’s racial equality in the USA, you may have noticed that they even have a black president. The NAACP achieved this through peaceful campaigning, using words, not bombs, to win the argument.
I’d say exactly the same thing about anyone carrying out this type of atrocity, I say exactly the same thing about David Copeland.
Again, I’ll invite you to look at the photo on the top of this page. What had those children done to deserve that? And Mandela gave the men who planted this landmine medals when he became president. Sick, just sick.
I just cannot understand this Diana-esque outpouring of grief for such an evil man and I will just finally add that when I was in South Africa (Montagu, Western Cape) , I was told that although life had changed little in rural areas, South African cities were places nobody visited any more as they had become more dangerous places out of all recognition.
switchlogic:
Be interesting to know how many of you sanctimonious types denouncing him as a terrorist wouldn’t say a word if it was a white man that had carried out terror against black’s. After all several of you openly admit to being racist already.
The difference in this case being that there’s a big difference in supporting the idea of what brought peace to the former socialist zb up of Yugoslavia and the Israeli state solution which will protect that ethnic group from ever again being subject to the type of events which took place against them by the National Socialist Germany,as opposed to just using violence to intimidate any ethnic group because of what and who they are.The latter being more what the Mugabe and ANC regimes are all about than the apartheid regimes of Rhodesia and South Africa which were more a case of the former.Although as I’ve said it’s going to be the Israeli type solution in bringing them home which will eventually be required for the remaining ethhnic Eurpean populations of South Africa and Rhodesia.By the same yardstick the same applies to those ethnic Africans living outside their ethnic homeland.
I hope that makes sense in your head because written down it looks like a collection of random words. I like the last bit though ‘LOOK, I CANT BE A RACIST, I LIKE DESMOND DEKKER’
No the relevant bit is I can’t be racist because,just like the world governments did in ( rightly ) recognising the state of Israel, Desmond Dekker actually agreed with me that repatriation of incompatible ethnic immigrant populations is the only realistic solution other than apartheid which,as in tyhe case of the former Yugoslavia,worked until the Rhodesian and South African governments were overthrown on ethnic grounds.Although having had some experience of the socialist cause before being bright enough to ditch it I could understand why all that might prove a bit difficult for the average socialist,who isn’t that bright,to get their heads around.In which case things just carry on in the usual socialist way of political correctness followed by ethnic violence as proved in the former Yugoslavia.
Until someone has the sense to just ignore the bs socialist cause in which case the choice is simply either the apartheid solution which we’ve got in the former Yugoslavia or the repatriation one in the form of Israel.Desmond Dekker has already shown which is best in the case of Africa and the Africans.
Unless you’re now going to call Desmond Dekker a racist.Which wouldn’t be surprising being that the record doesn’t fit the bs socialist script.
Blimey, could you possibly wrote socalist more in one post? Sorry to disappoint old bean but I’m no socalist, no anything really, I have a wide variety of views from across the political spectrum, like most people. Political labels are for the stupid and the simple who can only debate by putting people in boxes. I do like however your point that Dekker cant be racist being black but Mugabe is. Anyone can be a racist or a bigot, it crosses all boundaries. (I know nothing about good old Desmond so it’s not a comment on him. Ive a feeling you dont either)
robroy:
Just to go slightly off the point, am I the only one that finds it amazing that one or two on this thread actually freely admit to being racist , a visit to Auschwitz or Dachau where racism was carried to it’s ultimate point, may go a long way to at least think before admission
Maybe you could at least identify who you’re calling a racist and why and how is it that removing the ethnic European based governments in Rhodesia and South Africa in favour of ethhnic African based ones,in the form of Mugabe and the ANC,all based on ending ‘white rule’ is considered ok but it’s not considered ok to do the same in banning ethnhic African politicians like Obama from power outside of the African homeland.
As for the victims of Aushwitz etc they were killed by a form of socialism in just the same way that those who are considered the wrong colour,in being white have been,and those probably yet to be,killed by the same thing in South Africa and Rhodesia.
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When did I call anybody a racist exactly? I was pointing out that at least two had freely made admissions to varying degrees of racism, read back the previous pages for yourself .
I’m flattered that you think I have a solution to the African political situation , but my knowledge (and in fact interest) in the subject is not sufficient to make any suggestions that may solve the problems that you have covered.
As for The Holocaust, it was based wholly on racist policies carried out in the name of National Socialism under the command of Hitler, and as I said I am unable to comment on your African analogy for the reasons that I pointed out previously.
switchlogic:
No Robroy, you have the answer to all Africa’s problems. Best get on a plane, AT ONCE. Once Carryfast has sorted out the air traffic control problem
Are you implying that he has an opinion/answer to everything? surely not!
I cannot for the life of me understand what would draw you to that conclusion
, a visit to Auschwitz or Dachau where racism was carried to it’s ultimate point, may go a long way to at least think before admission 
