att:
A working class man sent to prison because he broke the rules.
Yet not one single banker has gone to prison for bringing down the worlds economy.At least we know our place.
That one guy from London just got ‘potted’ for his endeavours but all the corperate types didn’t even face charges for their part in bringing on the biggest financial meltdowns ever and possibly having a hand in the current worldwide recession!!
Ross.
bigr250:
Kerbdog:
I have no sympathy for him. I’m not a saint at all, but any anomalies on my tacho are purely by genuine error on my partIf you can’t run straight then you really need to get out. Would people still defend him if Vosa had only got onto him after an accident that killed someone whilst he was on a “break”
I’d rather have tired drivers around me than ■■■■■■ drivers tho eh?
Kerbdog:
All I can remember is that the barmaid was called Betty ! I remember coming out of there hammered. I was booked on the boat for 7am and also forgot about the local time difference to my ‘English’ clock ! Needless to say I missed the boat, the drive from Dover to Manchester later the next day was a drive I never want to repeat. Talk about a hangover haha. Anyone else with stories ?Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!! HYPOCRITE!!!
No sympathy, what about a little empathy for a kindred spirit / fellow law breaker??
Ross.
Ouch!!! Now THAT post really made me laugh! What’s that old saying about glass houses? Top work Ross. 
bigr250:
happysack:
Nah I’ll not be supporting him sorry.So you run bent as [zb] but won’t support a fellow bent runner that’s been jailed for doing pretty much the same, I’m not surprised really, your just the typical 21st Century steering wheel attendant. That’s the difference between your type and a proper driver.
All for one & all for one, sod everyone else. The sort that when stuck gladly accepts help from another driver but when he needs a little help you just sit in your nice warm cab & watch the bloke that just pulled you out the [zb] struggle like a [zb]!!
Just as I started to think you might be less than a [zb], you prove otherwise.
Ross.
Ran, not run. I learnt from my mistakes.
happysack:
Ran, not run. I learnt from my mistakes.
People like you make me sick, it was OK to run bent when you did it but the bloke in question here deserves all he gets?
Low life.
Ross.
I very nearly got hit with a4 grand fine for tacho offences. His second time of getting caught he had 60 odd offences. I was looking 400 per offence. Hr could have been looking at about 25 grand.
I’m low life? Thanks dear x
happysack:
I very nearly got hit with a4 grand fine for tacho offences. His second time of getting caught he had 60 odd offences. I was looking 400 per offence. Hr could have been looking at about 25 grand.
I’m low life? Thanks dear x
I couldn’t give a toss if he had 600 offences, he’s done the same as you and you think “he got what he deserved”, why don’t you get a job driving a unit for the police nicking real lorry drivers for the heinous crime of drivine while on the phone like that Scottish piece ofex driver excrement copper on the telly who makes out he’s saving the nation!!! Sounds like just the job for you.
He’s another low life.
Its ok. I’ve handed my notice in. just no longer feel good enough to share any tarmac with you. Looking forward to my life filled with Jeremy Kyle. Loads of low lifes just like me on there.
Take care “big” Ross.
[=quote"bigr250"]I couldn’t give a toss if he had 600 offences, he’s done the same as you and you think “he got what he deserved”, why don’t you get a job driving a unit for the police nicking real lorry drivers for the heinous crime of drivine while on the phone like that Scottish piece ofex driver excrement copper on the telly who makes out he’s saving the nation!!! Sounds like just the job for you.
He’s another low life.
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So do you condone tacho offences AND using the phone while driving?
I thought this was the Professional Drivers’ Forum■■?
robinhood_1984:
Very well said. Unfortunetely most of what Britain is churning out now are the corporate clones who work for ‘blue chip’ companies and often do set day work, night trunks and such like and never actually have to think or act outside of the box. Its all smart trousers, pristine company logoed fleeces and shiney boots as they report to the office for a ‘shift’. It gives me no joy or satisfaction to say it, but these days many, if not most Eastern European drivers are a far bigger asset to their firms as they generally have a positive attitude and will do whats requried to get the job done while unfortunetely a large proportion of British drivers have a ‘no can do’ attitude and suffer from extreme millitancy when it comes to doing things by the book with their obsession with tacho manual entires, recording everything as ‘other work’ and such like to do as little as actual work as possible. I’ve worked with plenty of British drivers who wont do nights out, wont do more than 12 hours a day, wont pull a tilt, wont go abroad and wont get out of bed for less than £xxxxx. In short they’re a complete waste of time and its no wonder companies employ Pavel or Marek when they will do 3 15s, will do tilts, will run in on a saturday morning without having a tantrum and wont sit on a bay for 5 hours with their card on ‘other work’ and then pull on to the road for a 45 minute break, all things that make a growing share of British drivers not worth employing in the first place in a tough and cut throat business.
So well put!
Regarding robinhoods post. I’ve got to agree. I work with a lot of ex forces drivers, and they tend to be the “i’m not” type of guy. Personally 3 x 15 is the best start to the week…gets the money in the bank!
happysack:
Regarding robinhoods post. I’ve got to agree. I work with a lot of ex forces drivers, and they tend to be the “i’m not” type of guy. Personally 3 x 15 is the best start to the week…gets the money in the bank!
THIS
robinhood_1984:
Very well said. Unfortunetely most of what Britain is churning out now are the corporate clones who work for ‘blue chip’ companies and often do set day work, night trunks and such like and never actually have to think or act outside of the box. Its all smart trousers, pristine company logoed fleeces and shiney boots as they report to the office for a ‘shift’. It gives me no joy or satisfaction to say it, but these days many, if not most Eastern European drivers are a far bigger asset to their firms as they generally have a positive attitude and will do whats requried to get the job done while unfortunetely a large proportion of British drivers have a ‘no can do’ attitude and suffer from extreme millitancy when it comes to doing things by the book with their obsession with tacho manual entires, recording everything as ‘other work’ and such like to do as little as actual work as possible. I’ve worked with plenty of British drivers who wont do nights out, wont do more than 12 hours a day, wont pull a tilt, wont go abroad and wont get out of bed for less than £xxxxx. In short they’re a complete waste of time and its no wonder companies employ Pavel or Marek when they will do 3 15s, will do tilts, will run in on a saturday morning without having a tantrum and wont sit on a bay for 5 hours with their card on ‘other work’ and then pull on to the road for a 45 minute break, all things that make a growing share of British drivers not worth employing in the first place in a tough and cut throat business.
That’s the most accurate view of current Uk trucking affairs that’s been written on this forum in ages.
att:
A working class man sent to prison because he broke the rules.
Yet not one single banker has gone to prison for bringing down the worlds economy.At least we know our place.
Nah, I think you’re missing the point here old bean.
He didn’t get sent down because he broke the rules, he got sent down because he was taking the ■■■■ out of the justice system.
He’d already been done for similar stuff in the past.
So what’s a judge to do? Fine him? That never worked last time, because he’s done it again.
And lets face it, it’s not like he’s run over his time by 15 mins or so is it?
He’s made a conscious effort to fiddle the tacho. Even winding the clock/running on tomorrows card takes a little bit of thinking about/planning, how much planning goes into keeping the mileages and cards right while running with an interrupter fitted?
att:
A working class man sent to prison because he broke the rules.
Yet not one single banker has gone to prison for bringing down the worlds economy.
Not strictly true. Kweku Adoboli, a UBS banker, recently got sent down for seven years for flushing £billions down the toilet.
We all know the rules. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.
Contraflow:
att:
A working class man sent to prison because he broke the rules.
Yet not one single banker has gone to prison for bringing down the worlds economy.Not strictly true. Kweku Adoboli, a UBS banker, recently got sent down for seven years for flushing £billions down the toilet.
We all know the rules. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.
That term isn’t really relevent in either case. The banker got sent down for gambling billions, But he was probably a scape goat. Would he have got sent down for taking the same gamble if the same gamble paid off? I doubt it.
The driver didn’t get caught running bent. He got caught with the equipment for running bent, He must have had a terrible brief.
Deals are also done sometimes. The driver pleads guilty as long as the operator pays the fines, That sort of thing.
happysack:
legin66:
would imagine still on analogue tachograph !! and prob an owner driver scraping together a living !!he’s defo not the first and won’t be the last
And by running bent he is under cutting his fellow OD’s therefore making it even harder for them to scrape a living
They don’t undercut as it’s only the small sub contractors who run bent nowadays, no decent size company would risk it. Therefore the rates are nearly always dictated to them regardless of whether they run legal or bent. Look at any company that employs subbies. The vast majority will be happy enough taking their small weekly wage while one or two will run bent and increase their earnings.
It’s not the bent operators keeping the rates low. If they loose their O license there will always be another glory boy happy to run legal for a small weekly wage just to have their name on the door.
robinhood_1984:
OssieD:
I have agree with Ross, A lot drivers on here who work for so called Blue Chip companies don’t know how they started back then, well I’ll tell you it was by their drivers bending the rules left right and centre, these notable companies would not be where they are today without their driver doing a moody, and how do you think they managed to cut rates? or do you think they just smiled sweetly at the customer. Some of the big names around today were so bent even I wouldn’t work for them. and these companies now like to look upon themselves as whiter than white, hollier than thou pillars of the community, you cant be that naive to think they wouldn’t do the same now if they thought they could get away with it , which is for the good, As for the Ministry (Blimey there’s an old name) I think we all understand how they work i.e., if a driver is supposed to have had an 11 hr break but only has 10hr.55mins in court they say he’s had NO break not that he was 5mins short, sounds better to the Magistrates, and in the papers it comes across as DRIVER DROVE FOR 24hrs WITHOUT A REST naughty boy. As for them who like to say he could have be involved in an accident and killed people, he hadn’t, just because your away from your motor doesn’t mean your in bed resting how many have been out to a party till the early hours of the morning, or up all night with the kids when they’re poorly etc, etc then turn up for work with insignificant rest, a moments inattention when your on the road and you could easily wipe out a family. I am not condoning what this driver done but nether can I condemn him, he got caught and will never get an operators licence again, maybe even lost his house, and be even harder to get a driving job again, but 6months inside, at that rate I wouldn’t be out till 2016. My record 50yrs on the road no tacho offences no speeding offences no accidents not even a gravy stain, or should I say never got caught, like many others I was lucky
Well I’m off to get my tin hat on.Ossie
Very well said. Unfortunetely most of what Britain is churning out now are the corporate clones who work for ‘blue chip’ companies and often do set day work, night trunks and such like and never actually have to think or act outside of the box. Its all smart trousers, pristine company logoed fleeces and shiney boots as they report to the office for a ‘shift’. It gives me no joy or satisfaction to say it, but these days many, if not most Eastern European drivers are a far bigger asset to their firms as they generally have a positive attitude and will do whats requried to get the job done while unfortunetely a large proportion of British drivers have a ‘no can do’ attitude and suffer from extreme millitancy when it comes to doing things by the book with their obsession with tacho manual entires, recording everything as ‘other work’ and such like to do as little as actual work as possible. I’ve worked with plenty of British drivers who wont do nights out, wont do more than 12 hours a day, wont pull a tilt, wont go abroad and wont get out of bed for less than £xxxxx. In short they’re a complete waste of time and its no wonder companies employ Pavel or Marek when they will do 3 15s, will do tilts, will run in on a saturday morning without having a tantrum and wont sit on a bay for 5 hours with their card on ‘other work’ and then pull on to the road for a 45 minute break, all things that make a growing share of British drivers not worth employing in the first place in a tough and cut throat business.
+1 very well said that man
maurice:
happysack:
legin66:
would imagine still on analogue tachograph !! and prob an owner driver scraping together a living !!he’s defo not the first and won’t be the last
And by running bent he is under cutting his fellow OD’s therefore making it even harder for them to scrape a living
They don’t undercut as it’s only the small sub contractors who run bent nowadays, no decent size company would risk it really?.
Therefore the rates are nearly always dictated to them regardless of whether they run legal or bent. Look at any company that employs subbies. The vast majority will be happy enough taking their small weekly wage while one or two will run bent and increase their earnings.
It’s not the bent operators keeping the rates low. If they loose their O license there will always be another glory boy happy to run legal for a small weekly wage just to have their name on the door.
Muckaway:
So do you condone tacho offences AND using the phone while driving?
I thought this was the Professional Drivers’ Forum■■?
Er, no, from what I’ve written on this subject I’d love to know what helped you to arive at the conclusion that I’m condoning this sort of behaviour.
Obviously not this;
bigr250:
Being sent to jail for this is a total injustice and I believe every fair minded driver should support him, I’m not saying for one second that he shouldn’t be punnished, he clearly knew exactly what he was doing and still took the chance so should be for the high jump!!!
My point about the scotish born copper was more about his attitude when talking on telly, you’d think he was single handedly bringing down terrorists armed to the teeth with AK47’s & RPG’s rather than cruising up the middle lane of the M6 & M5 in an FH12 with another copper in the passenger seat taking picures, really dangerous ‘front line’ policing!!
If that’s condoning driving whilst holding a hand held phone, I must be guilty!! 
If not, possibly English isn’t your first language or your having trouble with my accent?
Ross.