National living wage up to £9 ph

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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Dolph:

Themoocher:
If the UK is the bad then pack bag and go bk to Poland.
No I don’t think so, cause it ain’t that bad and a luxury to EE countries.

I’m all for immigration if it’s a fair process.
If you moved over here from day one with your wife and families.
But you move over with friends share houses and flats and work for peanuts.
When 300000 EE are doing this every year you trying to tell me this isn’t having a major effect on wages.

Me personally I would make you sit a HGV uk test.
I bet wages wouldn’t still be sitting at £8-9p/h now.

What?? Go back to Poland, pack my bags, WTF!
So now you want to decide who move’s alone, with friends or family :unamused: . Is this valid for British immigrants in the continent, no its not. Also Brits never bother to learn the language of the country they live, never take host country citizenship, create little Britania and complain about immigrants from Eastern Europe in UK.
That number again is rubbish, the whole net EU migration is 300K, not from EE only, get your facts straight.
Well tell me, how come wages are down and the industry keep saying UK haulage needs 50 000 drivers and in 10 years will need even more.
Stop blaming the people for exercising their legal rights and blame the system.

:laughing: oh boy my pants are shaking, UK HGV test, that must be impossible to pass :unamused:

I’m not saying it’s hard but how many flip flops have got a few grand to pass a British Hgv test? It would stop the market been flooded with cheap labour.

How can you say the system is fair?
I’ve paid £600 income tax and national insurance a month for 17 years.
People like you AV paid ■■■■ all into the system and are entitled to same health care, benifits, child education and everything else. It’s b…ks.

The market is flooded with cheap labour as a result wages will stay low.

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eagerbeaver:
Nope. Holiday pay is based on TAXABLE pay. Obviously the meal allowance is NON TAXABLE. If you take this example; I work Mon-Fri days. So no nights out or weekends. If I do a 60 hour week (lets base it on 5 x 12 hour shifts). The £15 m/a works out at £1.25 ph. So we are looking at the equivalent of £1.50 because it is tax free. So already that is £9.88. Assuming I start at 7am, my last hour (because its after 6pm) is paid at £10.38. So without splitting hairs, we are looking at £10 per hour for the shift.

I am expected to do 12 overtime shifts per year. Assuming I do Saturdays, which is ball park £12.00 per hour , and do 8/9 hours, I would be getting around £100 for that shift. So per month we are looking at around £2500 gross. 11 months at £2500 + 1month(hols) at £2200 (-£300 for 4 weeks m/a ), we are talking £29,700. Less tax and deductions. So personal allowance is £10,600 non taxable, plus 48 weeks m/a (48 x £75) is £3,600. So £14,200 non taxable. £29,700 per annum - £14,200 = £15,500 taxable.@ 20%, which means £3,100 tax deduction. So £29,700 - £3,100 = £26,600. Now take off NI at roughly £200 per month, so £2,400, we are looking at a bring home (net figure) of £24,200 a year or £2000 ish per month.

That’s not too bad in my book. On top of that there are other benefits, such as a pay out for your family for death in service (doesn’t matter if you are driving, or at home at the time) for example.

Don’t knock it until you try it.

Sure,You havent been good in Mathematic when back in School.
So well,…
Workingtime isnt 60 Hour. :arrow_right: Its 5 Times 8 Hour (some pay Break,some not)
to work 60 Hour you must pay back every Hour you did over 48 Hour,unpaid. :arrow_right: from 40 Hour to 48 shall be Overtime :exclamation:
Nightshift,Saturday,Sunday and Bankholiday worked shall be occasionally. :arrow_right: Unsocial Hour can shorten Your Life by 10 Year
Expenses are not counted as Pay. :arrow_right: Meal Allowence and other Expenses paid to lower your Hardship.
12 Hour Shifts are just done if 4On/4Off or 4On/3Off otherwise 10 Hour or 8 Hour Shifts :exclamation:

All above that is Unsocial Hour and most unlikely found anywhere in the Industry.

If you now come up with Your Calculation there will be quiet a few in Tiers

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boredwivdrivin, what makes you think you can trust your politicians? If Brexit happen EU migrants will be replaced with non EU migrants in a minute and nothing will change.
I can bet my life on that looking at the statistic, 5.5 million non EU migrants in UK, little 1 million visas granted by UK to non EU citizens. Keep dreaming Brexit is going to fix immigration. You gonna shoot yourself in the foot big time. But may be this is what some of you want, like you said, more immigration from India, right.

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Themoocher:

Dolph:

Themoocher:
If the UK is the bad then pack bag and go bk to Poland.
No I don’t think so, cause it ain’t that bad and a luxury to EE countries.

I’m all for immigration if it’s a fair process.
If you moved over here from day one with your wife and families.
But you move over with friends share houses and flats and work for peanuts.
When 300000 EE are doing this every year you trying to tell me this isn’t having a major effect on wages.

Me personally I would make you sit a HGV uk test.
I bet wages wouldn’t still be sitting at £8-9p/h now.

What?? Go back to Poland, pack my bags, WTF!
So now you want to decide who move’s alone, with friends or family :unamused: . Is this valid for British immigrants in the continent, no its not. Also Brits never bother to learn the language of the country they live, never take host country citizenship, create little Britania and complain about immigrants from Eastern Europe in UK.
That number again is rubbish, the whole net EU migration is 300K, not from EE only, get your facts straight.
Well tell me, how come wages are down and the industry keep saying UK haulage needs 50 000 drivers and in 10 years will need even more.
Stop blaming the people for exercising their legal rights and blame the system.

:laughing: oh boy my pants are shaking, UK HGV test, that must be impossible to pass :unamused:

I’m not saying it’s hard but how many flip flops have got a few grand to pass a British Hgv test? It would stop the market been flooded with cheap labour.

How can you say the system is fair?
I’ve paid £600 income tax and national insurance a month for 17 years.
People like you AV paid [zb] all into the system and are entitled to same health care, benifits, child education and everything else. It’s b…ks.

The market is flooded with cheap labour as a result wages will stay low.

You will be surprise how many immigrants save money, few grand will not be a problem. Or companies might pay for their licences with 1-2yr contracts.
Where did I say the system is fair?
I said it many times, its the stupid British social system that is outdated that is for blame. Yes we are all entitled, because you cant discriminate between EU citizens. Everyone living, working and paying taxes in UK and is holding EU passport has the same rights like Brits. This is valid throughout the EU, Brits have the same rights like the French in France or like the Spanish in Spain. Simply your benefit system is not based on contribution, but on need, whoever is in the country could get it. Well in 21 century thats gonna bankrupt if not changed.

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Driving training, tests money can return very easy, if found job after.this 3-5k can return in 1 years easy with extra income.Example -factory staff in Uk get up 15 k per years, warehouse staff get up to 20k.But class 1 drivers can easy earn 25 28k per yers if he work just 40 hours per week.But plenty job can found where shift lengh just about 10 hours mainly.At least in Midlands.

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Andrejs:
Driving training, tests money can return very easy, if found job after.this 3-5k can return in 1 years easy with extra income.Example -factory staff in Uk get up 15 k per years, warehouse staff get up to 20k.But class 1 drivers can easy earn 25 28k per yers if he work just 40 hours per week.But plenty job can found where shift lengh just about 10 hours mainly.At least in Midlands.

our Reach-Forklift Driver have £10.- per Hour. They do 12 Hour Shifts :slight_smile:

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I didn’t think the living wage is compulsory

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Immigrant:

Andrejs:
Driving training, tests money can return very easy, if found job after.this 3-5k can return in 1 years easy with extra income.Example -factory staff in Uk get up 15 k per years, warehouse staff get up to 20k.But class 1 drivers can easy earn 25 28k per yers if he work just 40 hours per week.But plenty job can found where shift lengh just about 10 hours mainly.At least in Midlands.

our Reach-Forklift Driver have £10.- per Hour. They do 12 Hour Shifts :slight_smile:

Yes some reach truck get more.But do you think who rech Flt driver job so easy.Some time much hard for truck drivers
.Flt drivers can lost licence in 5 second
.He must lift up and let down about 200 pallets.If he smach just one racking tgat can dropped to many pallets and killed to many people.All shift under Cctv.I was do this job about 2 years.i liked this kob but it is not so easy than think some people.

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Trouble is everytime the minimum wage / living wage goes up it devalues our hard earned skills and experience also the fact that most drivers were self motivated enough to go out and get their H.G.V. /L.G.V. licence in the first place is another kick in the ribs in essance why bother being on the road with all the long hours the stress and having to take responceabillity for a 40 ton vehicle etc etc when you can get more or less the same hourly rate stacking shelves in tesco.

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Notimetoulouse:
Trouble is everytime the minimum wage / living wage goes up it devalues our hard earned skills and experience also the fact that most drivers were self motivated enough to go out and get their H.G.V. /L.G.V. licence in the first place is another kick in the ribs in essance why bother being on the road with all the long hours the stress and having to take responceabillity for a 40 ton vehicle etc etc when you can get more or less the same hourly rate stacking shelves in tesco.

That’s exactly the point I made.

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If there wasn’t a influx of cheap labour wages would need to rise.

Why would an employer raise wages if he can get cheap labour and save himself £2-3 ph.
It’s not just driving its most trades have stayed the same for 10 years about same time as EE immigrants started.

If a British lad says stick ur job up your arse for £7 ph.
There be 10 EE qued up wanting the job.

Every ■■■■ job can pay rock bottom hourly rates is there is a cheap labour market available.

Every farm, warehouse, low skilled jobs such as driving, forks and site work.
It’s not just driving tower cranes and most other trades are the same as there is a cheap labour market.

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Themoocher:
If there wasn’t a influx of cheap labour wages would need to rise.

Why would an employer raise wages if he can get cheap labour and save himself £2-3 ph.
It’s not just driving its most trades have stayed the same for 10 years about same time as EE immigrants started.

If a British lad says stick ur job up your arse for £7 ph.
There be 10 EE qued up wanting the job.

Every [zb] job can pay rock bottom hourly rates is there is a cheap labour market available.

Every farm, warehouse, low skilled jobs such as driving, forks and site work.
It’s not just driving tower cranes and most other trades are the same as there is a cheap labour market.

But our ruling classes don’t want that!
They like cheap labour keeping the wheels of industry turning while they sit at the top creaming off the profits…

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Evil8Beezle:

Themoocher:
If there wasn’t a influx of cheap labour wages would need to rise.

Why would an employer raise wages if he can get cheap labour and save himself £2-3 ph.
It’s not just driving its most trades have stayed the same for 10 years about same time as EE immigrants started.

If a British lad says stick ur job up your arse for £7 ph.
There be 10 EE qued up wanting the job.

Every [zb] job can pay rock bottom hourly rates is there is a cheap labour market available.

Every farm, warehouse, low skilled jobs such as driving, forks and site work.
It’s not just driving tower cranes and most other trades are the same as there is a cheap labour market.

But our ruling classes don’t want that!
They like cheap labour keeping the wheels of industry turning while they sit at the top creaming off the profits…

Of course it is. But Dolph n rest of EE don’t understand what the UK was like in the 90s up until the bust in 2007 and cheap labour market flooded the uk.
Most tradesman had that much cash they were buying houses outright.
My dad bought his house out right at 33 year old.
Now you be luck to save a deposit when your that age.

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I’m not particular happy about it either mate, but we need to focus on the people who are the root of the problem. The scumbag politicians and leaders of industry are the ones to blame for where we are now. It’s not the fault of the “flip-flops” as we now seeming to be calling our EE brothers. They, like us, are just trying to scratch a living in an ever widening class system. And again, the ruling classes are very happy with us doing that, as it takes the focus off who are really to blame. They are probably laughing at us squabbling amongst ourselves…
Yes I’d like to restrict EE migration into Britain (Sorry Dolph), but I’m not going to get angry with EE drivers as I don’t see them as the real villains!

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the stupid rule is the whole you can claim what ever is available in that country - seeing as most of the EU have a poor benefit system then I wonder where most the spongers want to go?

working in recruitment I have to say you get good and bad - I work with EE people who have come over settled and made a life in the UK, I also see the others who come in complaining about paying tax etc. and how much tax they pay.

as with everything in life its a mix of good and bad, and you cant blame the people for wanting to improve their lot. Blame Mr Blair and the likes who set this up in the first place and the stupid open borders which are only going to increase, add on to that a generation of workshy lazy British scumbags who see being on the dole as a career or having 3 kids to 3 dads etc. to save working then you can see why the country needs sorting out.

in my opinion the minimum wage was a good thing to an extent but why is it the only wage that increases each year without fail? nurses etc. who have trained got into debt are told no rises for 5 years but unskilled labour get rewarded for not giving a ■■■■ with an increase which means that your almost as well off sweeping floors as you are spending 2k on a skill.

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Evil8Beezle:
I’m not particular happy about it either mate, but we need to focus on the people who are the root of the problem. The scumbag politicians and leaders of industry are the ones to blame for where we are now. It’s not the fault of the “flip-flops” as we now seeming to be calling our EE brothers. They, like us, are just trying to scratch a living in an ever widening class system. And again, the ruling classes are very happy with us doing that, as it takes the focus off who are really to blame. They are probably laughing at us squabbling amongst ourselves…
Yes I’d like to restrict EE migration into Britain (Sorry Dolph), but I’m not going to get angry with EE drivers as I don’t see them as the real villains!

No need for sorry, it your honest opinion.
You are correct about who is to blame and it angers me that many Brits cant see it or refuse to see it. Its not EE fault that want better life which can be achieved legally in 2hrs flight, its the system that allows it. Period.
But I guess its easier to be angry at us(EE) instead of UK Government or EU institutions.
I bet my life on it: if it situation is vice versa the Brits were going to emigrate in masses.
Average pay in BG is 400 euro, what do you expect from people who study English in high school(so they know a bit), their documents are accepted in UK, France, Germany etc. and they can make 5-10 time that while the whole society works properly.

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Dolph:

Evil8Beezle:
I’m not particular happy about it either mate, but we need to focus on the people who are the root of the problem. The scumbag politicians and leaders of industry are the ones to blame for where we are now. It’s not the fault of the “flip-flops” as we now seeming to be calling our EE brothers. They, like us, are just trying to scratch a living in an ever widening class system. And again, the ruling classes are very happy with us doing that, as it takes the focus off who are really to blame. They are probably laughing at us squabbling amongst ourselves…
Yes I’d like to restrict EE migration into Britain (Sorry Dolph), but I’m not going to get angry with EE drivers as I don’t see them as the real villains!

No need for sorry, it your honest opinion.
You are correct about who is to blame and it angers me that many Brits cant see it or refuse to see it. Its not EE fault that want better life which can be achieved legally in 2hrs flight, its the system that allows it. Period.
But I guess its easier to be angry at us(EE) instead of UK Government or EU institutions.
I bet my life on it: if it situation is vice versa the Brits were going to emigrate in masses.
Average pay in BG is 400 euro, what do you expect from people who study English in high school(so they know a bit), their documents are accepted in UK, France, Germany etc. and they can make 5-10 time that while the whole society works properly.

I really don’t have a problem with EE or immigrants.
I had two EE in my last yard and they were nice lads that lived with there families and are in the same boat as me.
How can someone from Romania who supposedly has 5 kids claim child benifits for children in Romania.

The whole system boils my p…s.

I normal working family can’t compete with 8 Rom or bul sharing a flat and washing cars at the local garage. It’s a sad fact but that’s the way it is.
You know who bad it has got in the past 10 years. It now pays more on benifits than it does for some families working 40hrs a week.

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Immigrant. Speak absolute ■■■■■■■■ do you. I know Stobart wage because I drive big green lorry and have payslip. Mathematic for me, good.

But puzzle I have for you. Translate Poland this.

YOU ARE A COMPLETE BELLEND.

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Bell-End has a hyphen in it.

Bearing in mind that your average immigrant requires Tax Credits to top up their wages to “get by” levels like anyone else - not much has been said about the reluctance or non-bothering of local talent to take the crappy paid job, and get that tax credit claim form in… If we all threw our hands up and said “f— that!” every time we saw yet another subsistence-waged job - then it’s hardly any surprise that ALL such jobs end up going to those who end up being the ONLY ones turning up to take them…

At the employer end, some pressure should be brought to bear upon those skinflints who argue that to pay a penny more than minimum wage is “to go bust and lay off everyone else” - “so don’t ask for a rise, as you’ll be sacking my entire workforce if you do!” kind of argument…

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Winseer:
Bell-End has a hyphen in it.

Accidental post thought you wrote ‘hymen in it’, its the other way round surely.
Those where the days, anyway as you where.

Although £9 per hour would be an extra £60ish quid per week for me (im only on £8 at the mo). Its lucky I love trucking and dont do it just for the money.