The question of pay is highly subjective however a lot depends on where you live in the country 39 grand a year in London is nothing when you are looking at 6 to 800 pound a week in rent for a rabbit hutch, had a discussion with a Bird’s driver based in London who told me he wouldn’t get out of bed for what an Irish firm pays. Fair enough I said but after working for 10 days a month I have everything paid so the rest of the months money is mine to do as I please he had to work for 23 days before he could ■■■■ his wages up the wall so tell me who is better off?
I know Aldi & Lidl pay there warehouse pickers just less than £10 a hour!
mazzer:
The question of pay is highly subjective however a lot depends on where you live in the country 39 grand a year in London is nothing when you are looking at 6 to 800 pound a week in rent for a rabbit hutch, had a discussion with a Bird’s driver based in London who told me he wouldn’t get out of bed for what an Irish firm pays. Fair enough I said but after working for 10 days a month I have everything paid so the rest of the months money is mine to do as I please he had to work for 23 days before he could ■■■■ his wages up the wall so tell me who is better off?
Err no… £120 a week rent for 2 bed flat with 40ft garden in Kent…
Radar19:
Thats not what I mean’t. I’m on about £1500-2000 a year less and I’m on Class 2. £24K a year for class 1 is low, really low.
The basic in our place for days on class 1 is only a few quid over £22k per year!!! To make it worse, that’s based on 50hrs. [emoji15]
darren118:
mazzer:
The question of pay is highly subjective however a lot depends on where you live in the country 39 grand a year in London is nothing when you are looking at 6 to 800 pound a week in rent for a rabbit hutch, had a discussion with a Bird’s driver based in London who told me he wouldn’t get out of bed for what an Irish firm pays. Fair enough I said but after working for 10 days a month I have everything paid so the rest of the months money is mine to do as I please he had to work for 23 days before he could ■■■■ his wages up the wall so tell me who is better off?Err no… £120 a week rent for 2 bed flat with 40ft garden in Kent…
ok fair enough but that is not the norm around there £105 a week where I live will get you a four bed house plus garden so as I said it is all relative, and how suitable is a 2 bed flat when you decide to have a family?
mazzer:
darren118:
mazzer:
The question of pay is highly subjective however a lot depends on where you live in the country 39 grand a year in London is nothing when you are looking at 6 to 800 pound a week in rent for a rabbit hutch, had a discussion with a Bird’s driver based in London who told me he wouldn’t get out of bed for what an Irish firm pays. Fair enough I said but after working for 10 days a month I have everything paid so the rest of the months money is mine to do as I please he had to work for 23 days before he could ■■■■ his wages up the wall so tell me who is better off?Err no… £120 a week rent for 2 bed flat with 40ft garden in Kent…
ok fair enough but that is not the norm around there £105 a week where I live will get you a four bed house plus garden so as I said it is all relative, and how suitable is a 2 bed flat when you decide to have a family?
Been their done that 4 kids (all grown up now)… ex wife with ex house…
darren118:
mazzer:
darren118:
mazzer:
The question of pay is highly subjective however a lot depends on where you live in the country 39 grand a year in London is nothing when you are looking at 6 to 800 pound a week in rent for a rabbit hutch, had a discussion with a Bird’s driver based in London who told me he wouldn’t get out of bed for what an Irish firm pays. Fair enough I said but after working for 10 days a month I have everything paid so the rest of the months money is mine to do as I please he had to work for 23 days before he could ■■■■ his wages up the wall so tell me who is better off?Err no… £120 a week rent for 2 bed flat with 40ft garden in Kent…
ok fair enough but that is not the norm around there £105 a week where I live will get you a four bed house plus garden so as I said it is all relative, and how suitable is a 2 bed flat when you decide to have a family?
Been their done that 4 kids (all grown up now)… ex wife with ex house…
LOL ok fair enough
Where are all these jobs based ? I’m on 7.50 ph first 48 then 10.50 after, 12.00
Sunday’s which I don’t work anyways, for container work in hull, terrible I know but can’t find anything else ! And that is class1 , I’ve been looking for a more normal job tipper day work or any kind of day work tbh but can’t find anything that pays , got to do tramping (well few nights out a week) to earn that bit extra.
desypete:
you should be on at least 15 quid an hour plus overtime after 8 hours, sat should be time and half and sunday double time
At least £30,000 a year basic for 40 hours Mon-Friday days? Given most driving jobs are likely to demand around 50 hours, that’d mean over £40K if the overtime was paid at time & a half. And thats before you’ve even got into working any weekends, nights, tramping or doing any specialised work.
Sorry, but anybody who thinks the jobs worth that sort of money these days is living in cloud cuckoo land.
I’m all for the proper overtime & weekend premiums, but IMO, an overall £10ph is a fair basic wage for Mon-Fri non specialised driving work. If you get more than that, great.
desypete:
over 15 years ago i was on 24k a year or more, you guys are trying to kid yourselves that your on good money as you just dont like thinking your chumps. you should be on at least 15 quid an hour plus overtime after 8 hours, sat should be time and half and sunday double time, but you guys are happy to work for much less, your happy to work sat sun for flat rates as for some reason you convince yourself your doing good, most of the drivers i started out with have all given up many years ago and found jobs elsewhere that pay the same or better for a lot less hassle. it really is up to you guys if your happy to work for low pay then that is your own affair, but dont try and dress it up like your on good money as its not, its nothing like good money compared to what we could make many years ago.
9 quid an hour by 2020 well if you guys are still driving in that time and that will be your hourly rate all i can say is you will only yourself to blame if your going to sit back and accept it.
Yes, you’re right. I have the same thoughts. The national minimum wage keeps rising, but trucker wages are frozen. Since I paid my mortgage off, I not willing to work for the normal weekday rates at my agency. So I do just Sat, and Sun.Told them:I will work betwwen Mon and Fri for Sunday rate only, I’ve had it when the agency had no drivers. Between early Jul to mid Aug I’ve had 5 days paid by Sunday rate and 1 day by Sat rate over 7 days. It was good. But nothing during the Xmas period except just few days.
ADR: HGV Driver - Gist - Bellshill £9.00 - £12.00 per hour Class 1. What this means? If you do a day with 8:45 you will get the 45min decucted. So, the £9.00 will be £8.22 average wage on that day. On April 2016 the national minimum wage will be increased to £7.20 How much is the difference? £1 . You better go to cleaning in a hotel,and maybe will have free meals, than driving a truck.
This old subject
If you lot actually consider working for naff all more fool you .
On average I put 800-900 in the bank every week 51k in bank last year and do not come close to maxing cards out . In last 8 months my trucks just done over 10.000km rest of time feet up .
That salery shown for stobarts is a utter joke certain people trying to justify how it works out good ever wondered why always got vacancies yep because it’s ■■■■■ ,
Wages do differ depending on area admitted I live midlands
I don’t see sane person driving class 1 with or without ADR for 9p/h when they can stack groceries in Aldi/Lidl/Asda. At least I wouldn’t, even though I have only class 2. To work in supermarket there is no need of hgv licence for 3000 pounds, no cpc, digi card etc. I don’t know how haulage industry in UK will find drivers, even we(EE) are don’t that despaired…
Heck driving forklift in a warehouse is going to be payed more and you will not be responsible for idiot in cars around your 40 tons lorry.
A minimum wage being raised to £9ph as opposed to the living wage being hiked - will surely benefit those drivers currently working 70+ hour weeks?
…Or at least make them realize just how many of those hours they are not actually being paid for…
Think: 70 hours @ £7ph =£490 which is widely available for “a week’s work”.
They’ll say it’s a 40 hour week but “Ahh for shame, it’s not the company’s fault if you take 70 hours to complete our weekly task set for you!”
Of course, if you refused to use POA to allow the firm to brick-on additional hours to your duties “off-book for legal purposes” of course… Then bigger fools those that don’t see why they are conning themselves here.
At the other end of the scale - firms that pay overtime for “being held up waiting” are the very best ones to work for - providing their basic level of pay somewhat exceeds NMW. 
when the national minimum wage came into force, it had the effect of depressing/restricting wages to that level. The employers were given a benchmark to which they could peg rates. When the living wage starts in 2020 it may have the same effect. Egalitarian. For some.
Dolph:
I don’t see sane person driving class 1 with or without ADR for 9p/h when they can stack groceries in Aldi/Lidl/Asda. At least I wouldn’t, even though I have only class 2. To work in supermarket there is no need of hgv licence for 3000 pounds, no cpc, digi card etc. I don’t know how haulage industry in UK will find drivers, even we(EE) are don’t that despaired…
Heck driving forklift in a warehouse is going to be payed more and you will not be responsible for idiot in cars around your 40 tons lorry.
I bet £9 ph is still more than a fair wage in EE. That’s what’s keeping the rates low. Flip flops wanting to work for peanuts.
If it wasn’t for the high immigration from EE the wages would need to rise.
Or the trucks would be sitting in yard with no drivers.
This is why I can’t decide if to get hgv licence, on buses £11.43ph going up to £11.76 April, I’m usually finished between 13.00 & 16.30 always swap shifts to suit. Apart from working most Saturdays hack me off though.
Moneys not bad just sick of driving buses after 16 yr, wouldn’t like to do it for another 24yrs 
Themoocher:
Dolph:
I don’t see sane person driving class 1 with or without ADR for 9p/h when they can stack groceries in Aldi/Lidl/Asda. At least I wouldn’t, even though I have only class 2. To work in supermarket there is no need of hgv licence for 3000 pounds, no cpc, digi card etc. I don’t know how haulage industry in UK will find drivers, even we(EE) are don’t that despaired…
Heck driving forklift in a warehouse is going to be payed more and you will not be responsible for idiot in cars around your 40 tons lorry.I bet £9 ph is still more than a fair wage in EE. That’s what’s keeping the rates low. Flip flops wanting to work for peanuts.
If it wasn’t for the high immigration from EE the wages would need to rise.
Or the trucks would be sitting in yard with no drivers.
No not not because of EE drivers, stop blaming us for everything.Wages are low because British employers are greedy and don’t care about their employees. The wages are low because people like you and everyone else put up with them, why don’t you strike, all British truck drivers stop working for a week? Now that’s gonna open the eyes of the haulage companies.
I specifically said that for 9p/h not so many people(even EE) will drive trucks if they can work 8-10hr job in warehouse, hotel, restaurant or grocery store for the same wage. Why bother getting licence, cpc, medical, drive 40 toner in traffic jams, low bridges, closed highways, restricted roads etc. when you can stack shelves for 9p/h 5 miles away from your home. Why even bother dealing class 1 trucking…
If the UK is the bad then pack bag and go bk to Poland.
No I don’t think so, cause it ain’t that bad and a luxury to EE countries.
I’m all for immigration if it’s a fair process.
If you moved over here from day one with your wife and families.
But you move over with friends share houses and flats and work for peanuts.
When 300000 EE are doing this every year you trying to tell me this isn’t having a major effect on wages.
Me personally I would make you sit a HGV uk test.
I bet wages wouldn’t still be sitting at £8-9p/h now.
Themoocher:
If the UK is the bad then pack bag and go bk to Poland.
No I don’t think so, cause it ain’t that bad and a luxury to EE countries.I’m all for immigration if it’s a fair process.
If you moved over here from day one with your wife and families.
But you move over with friends share houses and flats and work for peanuts.
When 300000 EE are doing this every year you trying to tell me this isn’t having a major effect on wages.Me personally I would make you sit a HGV uk test.
I bet wages wouldn’t still be sitting at £8-9p/h now.
What?? Go back to Poland, pack my bags, WTF!
So now you want to decide who move’s alone, with friends or family 
. Is this valid for British immigrants in the continent, no its not. Also Brits never bother to learn the language of the country they live, never take host country citizenship, create little Britania and complain about immigrants from Eastern Europe in UK.
That number again is rubbish, the whole net EU migration is 300K, not from EE only, get your facts straight.
Well tell me, how come wages are down and the industry keep saying UK haulage needs 50 000 drivers and in 10 years will need even more.
Stop blaming the people for exercising their legal rights and blame the system.
oh boy my pants are shaking, UK HGV test, that must be impossible to pass
Dolph:
No not not because of EE drivers, stop blaming us for everything.Wages are low because British employers are greedy and don’t care about their employees. The wages are low because people like you and everyone else put up with them, why don’t you strike, all British truck drivers stop working for a week?
i appreciate the laws of capitalism may be a bit of a mystery to you , what with growing up in CCCP and everything . but the most fundamental law is : supply and demand
ill explain it carefully : if there are more workers(supply) than jobs(demand) then wages will fall .
if there are more jobs(demand) than workers(supply) then wages will rise .
is very simple .
strikes would not effect this fundamental . strikes might improve conditions or hours or benefits for all of labour force , but cannot effect wages as there are a large supply of RomPolBulHuns just an hour or 2 flight away .
however if we reduced this pool of willing labour ( by ditching EU for example ) then wage rises may become common as supply(workers) and demand(jobs) enter a different level of parity to each other .
basically , out of EU truckers would become a more valuable resource to employers due to their increased rarity .
Dolph:
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That number again is rubbish, the whole net EU migration is 300K, not from EE only, get your facts straight.
Well tell me, how come wages are down and the industry keep saying UK haulage needs 50 000 drivers and in 10 years will need even more.
Stop blaming the people for exercising their legal rights and blame the system ,
not this old deluded chestnut again .
ive posted you links to bbc , telegraph and the sun but message doesnt seem to be getting thru !
try the mail this time ::
““Statistics which could prove how many EU migrants actually enter Britain every year has been blocked by HMRC because it would be ‘unhelpful’ to the Prime Minister’s renegotiation with the EU.
The tax office said it held the data but refused a freedom of information request on the grounds the public interest was best served by keeping it secret.””
:: dailymail.co.uk/news/article … hopes.html
And ofcourse the true number is always going to be significantly higher than the HMRC figures which they wont disclose , because not all RomBulPolHuns that WORK in this country are actually EMPLOYED in this country ! thousands in agriculture particularly work directly for agencies in their home country .
also many single people work on the black market for cash in hand as they are not able to claim WorkingFamiliesTaxCredit , so avoid paying tax altogether . this is prevalent in catering ,car wash and wholesaler industries .
the 300K figure ‘fact’ you keep pushing to suit your political inclination is in fact the lowest possible figure , and the true figure is a multiple of this
the government are fiddling the figures !!
they are cooking the books !!
You have too much faith in British Gov , when you get as old/experienced as me you will become much wiser to their methods