if it was where i live, there’d be a shooting every ten minutes, be like the ok coral 
just remember, always keep the sun at your back!
he who shoots first laughs last.
could you really vote for a party who’s intent is to allow every english born person the right to keep a firearm in their home for self defence? or who would bring back national service?
Sounds good to me!!
In the USA the right to carry arms is considered normal and nobody bats an eyelid. The right to defend youself is accepted there. In the UK you get jailed for defending yourself and can be sued by the offender. Lunacy.
As for National Service. What is bad about that? All the idle teens laying about the streets complaining of boredom and commiting burglary or worse would soon be licked into shape.
OMG!!! I sound like Victor Meldrew!!! 
fire arms in the usa, theres a shooting every so many seconds and most of them hav’nt got much to do with anybody defending themselves.
national service, great! unless it’s your offspring who’s studied hard at school and has big plans for their own future, uni maybe, a degree etc, not so good then, when they’re carted off to boot camp for two years!
my personal view and it is only that is-
this country or britian if you like, can’t survive ecconomically without being part of the eu, but there is nothing to say a british government can’t set it’s own rules and still play the game, europeans coming to live and work in the uk, i’ve got no problem with, after all we have the equal opportunaty to go anywhere in the eu and do the same and many have but all we need is a law that makes it illegal for any one to employ a european at a lower rate than a brit for doing the same job. on euro drivers, “if” it is proved that they obtain their licenses by things like driving a tractor and trailer in a straight line down a road then simply, they have to pass a uk test to work fultime as a driver for a brit company.
muslims? which is a totally different subject-
i’d like to see the banning of the religion in the uk as evil which if your white and non muslim, it is! i’ve no problem with an asian living and working in the uk but if you live in another mans country, you accept that countries laws and costums if not, your in the wrong place.
daneinter:
After reading many many posts regarding eastern immigrants both here and on other forums I subscribe to and having made many posts putting forward my views I felt it was about time I instigated a post which nails my colours firmly to the mast regarding how I feel about what I consider is a very emotive issue and one I feel strongly about.The problem I face is one of my abject hatred of bigotedness and violent thinking which effectivley pigeon holes whole sections of humanity into convenient, easy to hate sections and if you couple this with political correctness which stilts valid and sensible debate what results is a pretty much volatile recipe for hatred.
i have felt strongly enough about this issue to email the owners of this site to complain about what i see as certain posts being a incitement to racial hatred, however they have seen fit not to respond, hence this post.
What I feel to be wrong, and a crime against humanity is the blind dismissal of whole sections of humanity based purely on the country of their birth. When you consider that millions of people died during World War 2 either as an opposition to this view or as a result of adhering to these extreme beliefs it tends to put things into perspective.
My view is as follows: immigrants from any country who legally come to this country commit no crime. If they commit crimes once they get here then they deserve all the law can throw at them. however the majority come here to escape grinding poverty and a disfunctional state in order to better themselves and their families. For this I have no critisism. If I was in their position I would want to do the same and I guess so would most of you. They are human beings who for over 60 years have suffered from the effects of a state based on fascist ideas wrapped up in lies and corruption. It is not their fault…They are free for the first time and they want to exercise that freedom as legal and free members of the European Union.
The contentious point is can this country function with this influx and for that we have to turn our attention to the politicians who make such decisions. It is not racist to suggest that It is not a correct decision and that immigration should be restricted. We need to function economically and as a race and common sense must prevail but if it is legal it is abhorant to me to hear violent and bigoted attitudes which quite frankly do you no sevice as all it does for me is make me wish that I do not have to live amongst you. I feel no pride in my nationality to hear such talk.
The real proof of the pudding is that we must base our attitudes towards people based on their behaviour. if they lie , cheat and do wrong then it matters not what their origin. They deserve all they get wether English , eastern european or no matter what their race. The final question is to ask if the men and women who died to defend freedom and democracy died in vain and that is the largest question of all
I never know what the points of these posts are!
Most people can agree and disagree with bits on both sides of the arguments…
ahhhhh that’s the point …Arguments…
and to think this a place for gown men and women.
but there is nothing to say a british government can’t set it’s own rules and still play the game, europeans coming to live and work in the uk, i’ve got no problem with, after all we have the equal opportunaty to go anywhere in the eu and do the same and many have but all we need is a law that makes it illegal for any one to employ a european at a lower rate than a brit for doing the same job. on euro drivers, “if” it is proved that they obtain their licenses by things like driving a tractor and trailer in a straight line down a road then simply, they have to pass a uk test to work fultime as a driver for a brit company.
muslims? which is a totally different subject-
i’d like to see the banning of the religion in the uk as evil which if your white and non muslim, it is! i’ve no problem with an asian living and working in the uk but if you live in another mans country, you accept that countries laws and costums if not, your in the wrong place.
Agreed.
In fact after re-reading this whole thread I think that in the main we are all pretty much of the same mind. That is, (correct me if I am wrong) none of us hate outright each individual immigrant that has entered the country but we all hate the way the British government is pandering to any foreigner who wishes to come here and handing out benefits wholesale.
It is breeding resentment and hatred and jealousy. Yes, jealousy. Like a parent who spoils one child and penalises another, our government is making us resent and dislike the immigrants by giving them more than they give its own people.
I have worked hard in this country for many years and paid my taxes and National Health contributions (Not forgetting that my parents and other members of my family fought in the WW2 for this country) and strongly resent that the money I have paid in is being handed to people who have contributed nothing.
I cannot blame the people - If I was offered a free ride in another country I am pretty sure I would take it.
It is the government to blame as we have all pointed out.
All we can hope for is a change in government - a change to one which offers to represent the wishes of the people.
I don’t advocate standing all none British nationals up against the wall and shooting them wholesale, I just want to feel fairly treated in my own country.
I want to hear church bells ringing on a Sunday morning, along with the choice to attend or to stay away. I don’t want to see mosques being built on our city corners and hear the call from minarettes. demanding attendance.
I want to hear English spoken in the streets and taught in our schools not find that my grand children are having lessons in the Urdu/Muslim/Asian way of life.
I want to be able to have treatment on the National Health and not be told I have to wait for months as there are too many none Brits in front of me on the waiting list.
I could go on,and on, but I do not think that my wishes are in any way extortionate. I just want fair treatment in my own country.
And I dont think it is asking too much to be put first - that is before any foreign incomer - in my own country of birth.
paul b:
my personal view and it is only that is-
this country or britian if you like, can’t survive ecconomically without being part of the eu, but there is nothing to say a british government can’t set it’s own rules and still play the game, europeans coming to live and work in the uk, i’ve got no problem with, after all we have the equal opportunaty to go anywhere in the eu and do the same and many have but all we need is a law that makes it illegal for any one to employ a european at a lower rate than a brit for doing the same job. on euro drivers, “if” it is proved that they obtain their licenses by things like driving a tractor and trailer in a straight line down a road then simply, they have to pass a uk test to work fultime as a driver for a brit company.
Agree part of the problem with imigrants is the fact that they are happy to do our job at a lot lower rate, and we are expected to be happy about it
You will notice most of the people who agree with econimic migration are on a high wage and the migrants are unlikely to do their job, so their wage is unlikely to drop.
Also the argument about inflation and economic growth shouldnt wash, because the only peole benefiting by lower prices tend to be the same people on high wages, yet the people whose wage is dipressed by the migrants still have to pay a higher proportion for the same goods and services.
As for being part of the EU, economically we cant maintain our economy on our own, but the EU is far too restrictive and bares too higher cost. However we do have the Commonwealth (PC ex British Empire), this body has so much potential with so many developing countries the econimic benefits would be higher than the EU at a fraction of the cost, and Im sure the Americans could be persuaded to join.
We are an Island why tie our trade to a bunch of europeans who only think of protecting their own workers and thinking up new ways of screwing Britain.
paul b:
a very good point, nobody thinks owt of a scot or a welshman living and working in england but many are saying pols and the like shouldn’t be allowed to do just that
That is the reason you won’t hear me criticising other foreigners for coming to England, or any foreign country, to try to earn a better living. It would be very hypocritical of me to do so when I did exactly that. That’s not to say there shouldn’t be some sort of control on numbers, especially as I’m alright Jack as I am here now. 
I have a friend (English) who rants on long and loud about the Poles coming over here and driving UK registered trucks. This is the same guy who spent several years driving a left ■■■■■■ German registered truck for a German transport company. 
I can’t quite get my head around that one.
The other one that confuses me is the one where some one posts complaining about all the foreigners coming in and finishes off by saying something along the lines of - Britain is [zb]'d because of it and they are leaving and going to get a job and live in Canada/Australia/New Zeland/France/Spain/…
Coffeeholic:
I have a friend (English) who rants on long and loud about the Poles coming over here and driving UK registered trucks. This is the same guy who spent several years driving a left ■■■■■■ German registered truck for a German transport company.
I don’t think that’s the issue Neil. I think the issue is that the Poles are coming here to drive English wagons for £2.50/hr per week and 1 in 50 of them has a legit licence.
Your pal who’s been driving German wagons will have a real licence and I imagine doing the job for the same money that the German’s would do it for.
Coffeeholic:
The other one that confuses me is the one where some one posts complaining about all the foreigners coming in and finishes off by saying something along the lines of - Britain is [zb]'d because of it and they are leaving and going to get a job and live in Canada/Australia/New Zeland/France/Spain/…
Yes but does Canada/Australia/New Zealand (I’ll add the USA) allow un-skilled workers in or just those that they need?
Saxon786:
jammymutt:
At the end of the day this discussion brings out 2 kinds of people, Those who object to someone coming to their country and those who dont.This ain’t your country. You are a foreigner. Why are you here
We have a few of you down at our place. They stick together like [zb] on a shovel like all foreigners do. That suits me fine as I can’t understand their gibberish.
It’s funny how the Scots call themselves British when it suits. Well, I’ve got news for you.
You’ll never be a countryman of mine.
i used to go up to scotland to visit my brother and sister in law in motherwell and then wed go down the local pub, must admit i was a bit unsure but you couldnt meet a nicer bunch, really freindly, now that was 15 yrs ago so things may have changed but i doubt it, my dad was welsh and we often used to visit family near monmouth and they were all o.k
to me the english, scots and welsh are all the same, one nation,apart from the fact weve got a world class football team 
and they havent
mrpj:
Coffeeholic:
The other one that confuses me is the one where some one posts complaining about all the foreigners coming in and finishes off by saying something along the lines of - Britain is [zb]'d because of it and they are leaving and going to get a job and live in Canada/Australia/New Zeland/France/Spain/…Yes but does Canada/Australia/New Zealand (I’ll add the USA) allow un-skilled workers in or just those that they need?
i think to a large extent, that is what grinds with a lot of people, probably any one with an hgv license has at some point looked at canada or australia as a possibility but quickly realised just how chuffin difficult it is to get in, they then see other nationals coming to the uk with apparent ease and finding work and it dosn’t sit to well but you can’t have it all ways, until recently i was seriously looking at living in spain, it was no problem to just simply sell up and move over, no real checks, no minimum amount of cash etc, i could even run a wagon on my uk o’license while living there, it was only really property prices and what i could potentially earn, that in the end put us off.
i’m not actually convinced about all these eastern block drivers being useless and all with fake licences, i meet em everyday in rotherham and wednesbury bar mills and they aint young lads, the majority are in their fifties and have been driving a lot of years all over europe before they ever started running into the uk, they will tell you that those coming and looking for jobs are those who can’t find work in their homeland but you can’t knock em for coming, if they havn’t got expeience or indeed a legit license and take a job that to us is for peanuts, thats not down to them, that is 100% down to the companies that are prepared to employ them!
ady1:
Saxon786:
jammymutt:
At the end of the day this discussion brings out 2 kinds of people, Those who object to someone coming to their country and those who dont.This ain’t your country. You are a foreigner. Why are you here
We have a few of you down at our place. They stick together like [zb] on a shovel like all foreigners do. That suits me fine as I can’t understand their gibberish.
It’s funny how the Scots call themselves British when it suits. Well, I’ve got news for you.
You’ll never be a countryman of mine.
i used to go up to scotland to visit my brother and sister in law in motherwell and then wed go down the local pub, must admit i was a bit unsure but you couldnt meet a nicer bunch, really freindly, now that was 15 yrs ago so things may have changed but i doubt it, my dad was welsh and we often used to visit family near monmouth and they were all o.k
to me the english, scots and welsh are all the same, one nation,apart from the fact weve got a world class football team
So where are you from then?, world class football team?.
The English ,Scots, Welsh and Irish are all the same this was proven in a court of law when a Scottish worker who was called Jock, Haggis etc etc sued his English colleagues for racist comments but the case was dismissed as we are all he same nation.
As for the true racists now calling for the Scots to go home, I think thats terrible and the admin and mods should be looking very strongly at these comments of hatred towards their own countrymen.
Rob K:
Coffeeholic:
I have a friend (English) who rants on long and loud about the Poles coming over here and driving UK registered trucks. This is the same guy who spent several years driving a left ■■■■■■ German registered truck for a German transport company.I don’t think that’s the issue Neil. I think the issue is that the Poles are coming here to drive English wagons for £2.50/hr per week and 1 in 50 of them has a legit licence.
Your pal who’s been driving German wagons will have a real licence and I imagine doing the job for the same money that the German’s would do it for.
His rant is purely about them coming here and driving, nothing to do with wages just the fact they are driving UK wagons, which I think is hypocritical coming from someone who did exactly the same thing.
mrpj:
Coffeeholic:
The other one that confuses me is the one where some one posts complaining about all the foreigners coming in and finishes off by saying something along the lines of - Britain is [zb]'d because of it and they are leaving and going to get a job and live in Canada/Australia/New Zeland/France/Spain/…Yes but does Canada/Australia/New Zealand (I’ll add the USA) allow un-skilled workers in or just those that they need?
That wasn’t my point, I just threw a few countries in as an example and whether they can actually get there is irrelevant to my point. My point was, that they complain about people moving to this country, that it is ruining the country, so their reaction/soloution is to do suggest they will do exactly the same thing. There has been a couple of occasions, on previous threads about this subject, where Brits who have moved to another country to work and live are complaining about the foreigners coming here and taking jobs, which I think most people would see as just a little ironic.
jammymutt:
As for the true racists now calling for the Scots to go home, I think thats terrible and the admin and mods should be looking very strongly at these comments of hatred towards their own countrymen.
But to do what with them . This what i mentioned earlier . Just ignore it or bring your self down to that level for a slanging match
paul b:
fire arms in the usa, theres a shooting every so many seconds and most of them hav’nt got much to do with anybody defending themselves.
national service, great! unless it’s your offspring who’s studied hard at school and has big plans for their own future, uni maybe, a degree etc, not so good then, when they’re carted off to boot camp for two years.
2 years is a very small amount of timein exchange for the life skills you receive.
and at 16-18 there is nothing so urgent it cant wait a bit and maybe they might learn some manners and respect too
you may have a point but i’ve got a mate who’s a fair bit older than me who joined up when there was still national service, according to him all the lads who were conscripted spent their entire time trying to think of ways to get out as appossed to those who joined off their own backs who actually wanted to be there and learn something.
paul@midway:
jammymutt:
As for the true racists now calling for the Scots to go home, I think thats terrible and the admin and mods should be looking very strongly at these comments of hatred towards their own countrymen.But to do what with them . This what i mentioned earlier . Just ignore it or bring your self down to that level for a slanging match
Besides which, the comments about Scots are no stronger than the comments about any other group in this thread. Since perceived positive discrimination is at the root of what started all this, the last thing we can do is to be seen to discriminate towards Scots.
jammymutt:
The English ,Scots, Welsh and Irish are all the same this was proven in a court of law when a Scottish worker who was called Jock, Haggis etc etc sued his English colleagues for racist comments but the case was dismissed as we are all he same nation.As for the true racists now calling for the Scots to go home, I think thats terrible and the admin and mods should be looking very strongly at these comments of hatred towards their own countrymen.
Yeah I dont mind where Scots live, so long as I stop having to pay for Scotland with the Barnet formula