AndrewG:
I know where those orders came from its just that here it isnt enforced like it is in the UK. My limiters on 100kph as have all my previous trucks and have NEVER been pulled or had any kind of problem with it. Im hardly alone, there are thousands of other Euro drivers on the same (some much higher) inc many big name hauliers, Bakkavor Iberica and Willi Betz being just a couple i could name along with some Irish . The point is, drive sensibly and there isnt an issue. With the UK there doesnt seem to be any leeway on anything, the authorities just see everything black and white and what with the other mountain of red tape can see why some UK drivers are totally disillusioned with the job as is the case with Eagerbeaver…
I’d agree up to a point that Euroland can ‘sometimes’ be a case of it making the rules but us enforcing them more enthusiastically than others.
However I think you can also take that for granted to the point of a false sense of freedom over there.Which is then just a case of meeting the wrong copper in the wrong place at the wrong time.On that note it’s well known that the continentals often imposed heavy fines in the case of just tacho evidence alone showing exceeding the speed limits even pre limiters.It’s anyone’s guess what they’d do in the case of dodgy limiter calibration added to that in the case of exceeding their silly truck motorway limits which were/are the real issue and the cause of the problem.
Some traffic laws broken do impose fines as they will anywhere but ive not known many being stopped for exceeding the limits and have on many an occasion overtaken police on the autoroutes without issue or in fact worry. Theyre more interested in cars doing double the limit than trucks doing a few kph over. With limiter calibration issues, it just doesnt happen. As for a ‘false’ sense of freedom theres nothing false about it, within reason we have that freedom. Thats not to say we can just do as we like but the rules are not enforced with the ■■■■ esque enthusiasm like they are in the UK…
AndrewG:
Theyre more interested in cars doing double the limit than trucks doing a few kph over. With limiter calibration issues, it just doesnt happen. As for a ‘false’ sense of freedom theres nothing false about it, within reason we have that freedom. Thats not to say we can just do as we like but the rules are not enforced with the ■■■■ esque enthusiasm like they are in the UK…
Ironically a prison sentence and confiscation of the car for well under double the even more ridiculous 80 mph car limit on a clear French motorway is about as ■■■■ esque as the penalty for same at 3 am on the M40 in mid Summer.While it’s the French who are doing all the shouting about adding cross border licence penalties to that not us.
Which leaves the question of how and why did we go from the very reasonably relaxed enforcement of the pre limiter 60 mph truck speed regime to what we’ve got now.
dieseldog999:
i agree there…the truckies over here still have a lot of the cameraderi that prevailed in the 80s uk…the only greif we get is running in and out of the uk,its fine in the rest of europe,and fine over here,its the uk bit in the middle that just totaly ■■■■■ for the obvious variety of reasons.
Stay in Ireland then…
If it’s so dreadful here, don’t get on the boat.
Advocating the style of driving that you do, I’d rather you performed it in another country anyway.
DD isnt advocating that sort of driving, those videos are posted tongue in cheek.
Driving in the UK does ■■■■ balls and although i dont need to i wouldnt get on the boat at Calais for any kind of money. Ridiculously enforced average speed limit motorway sections, [zb] DVSA checks, [zb] parking awash with p1ss, cr@p food at so called truck stops, having to pay for parking, bellend RDC workers, Hi Viz/ hat/ boots obsession and total ball ■■■■■ enforced with vengeance 56mph limit…no thanks to all of that…
Andrew you have it bang on there,one thing you missed crap wages.I am glad I’m long retired and out of it.
regards dave.
AndrewG:
Theyre more interested in cars doing double the limit than trucks doing a few kph over. With limiter calibration issues, it just doesnt happen. As for a ‘false’ sense of freedom theres nothing false about it, within reason we have that freedom. Thats not to say we can just do as we like but the rules are not enforced with the ■■■■ esque enthusiasm like they are in the UK…
Ironically a prison sentence and confiscation of the car for well under double the even more ridiculous 80 mph car limit on a clear French motorway is about as ■■■■ esque as the penalty for same at 3 am on the M40 in mid Summer.While it’s the French who are doing all the shouting about adding cross border licence penalties to that not us.
Which leaves the question of how and why did we go from the very reasonably relaxed enforcement of the pre limiter 60 mph truck speed regime to what we’ve got now.
“While it’s the French who are doing all the shouting about adding cross border licence penalties to that not us.”
France is by its location used as transit country much more than the UK, so has trucks using (and sometimes abusing) its road system. Is it so wrong for them to want to pursue law breakers? If an European driver breaks the law in the UK, but makes it onto the Dover ferry does that mean he should be free to continue on his way?
This industry has moved on from the “wild west” days of the 70s and 80s (mostly). Surely we dont want overseas operators running bent in the UK and chopping rates whilst doing so? So shouldnt we respect other countries if they stand up for themselves and support their industry?
AndrewG:
Theyre more interested in cars doing double the limit than trucks doing a few kph over. With limiter calibration issues, it just doesnt happen. As for a ‘false’ sense of freedom theres nothing false about it, within reason we have that freedom. Thats not to say we can just do as we like but the rules are not enforced with the ■■■■ esque enthusiasm like they are in the UK…
Ironically a prison sentence and confiscation of the car for well under double the even more ridiculous 80 mph car limit on a clear French motorway is about as ■■■■ esque as the penalty for same at 3 am on the M40 in mid Summer.While it’s the French who are doing all the shouting about adding cross border licence penalties to that not us.
Which leaves the question of how and why did we go from the very reasonably relaxed enforcement of the pre limiter 60 mph truck speed regime to what we’ve got now.
“While it’s the French who are doing all the shouting about adding cross border licence penalties to that not us.”
France is by its location used as transit country much more than the UK, so has trucks using (and sometimes abusing) its road system. Is it so wrong for them to want to pursue law breakers? If an European driver breaks the law in the UK, but makes it onto the Dover ferry does that mean he should be free to continue on his way?
This industry has moved on from the “wild west” days of the 70s and 80s (mostly). Surely we dont want overseas operators running bent in the UK and chopping rates whilst doing so? So shouldnt we respect other countries if they stand up for themselves and support their industry?
You’ve missed the point in that AndrewG etc were trying to paint the continent as some reasonably relaxed enforcement regime for drivers.When that ‘would’ have been correct in the case of cars up to around let’s say around 2,000 and a lot earlier than that,if at all,in the case of trucks.
As for the Frogs taking the ■■■■ with the stupid over enforcement of their even more stupid motorway limits,while charging a fortune in tolls for the privilege,no they can zb off.With us at least hopefully now not getting involved in their bs cross border licence penalty system and preferably telling them and the Krauts to shove their equally bs truck motorway limits and limiter settings and putting us back on a line more in keeping with the rest of the English speaking world in that regard.
On that note I never thought I’d ever see it happen but even America seems to be a more relaxed enforcement regime to even drive a car in than France now let alone here.Bearing in mind that even they don’t have an interstate licence penalty regime.With a higher motorway speed limit with more relaxed enforcement of even that than France in many states now,with others following.
Carryfast:
You’ve missed the point in that AndrewG etc were trying to paint the continent as some reasonably relaxed enforcement regime for drivers.When that ‘would’ have been correct in the case of cars up to around let’s say around 2,000 and a lot earlier than that,if at all,in the case of trucks.
As for the Frogs taking the ■■■■ with the stupid over enforcement of their even more stupid motorway limits,while charging a fortune in tolls for the privilege,no they can zb off.With us at least hopefully now not getting involved in their bs cross border licence penalty system and preferably telling them and the Krauts to shove their equally bs truck motorway limits and limiters.
Youre right. I am missing your point. I would agree that France Spain etc became much less relaxed in the 80s and 90s. In truth that is no bad thing. I was no saint in those days, and so could be accused of hypocrisy, but Im glad there is stronger enforcement now. My experience is a bit different than AndrewGs in that the Gendarmerie are as strict now as the UK authorities and Id say there are now more spot checks in France than the UK.
The French charge for (most of) their Autoroutes but national roads are still a free alternative.
I still dont think that a driver from country A who commits an offence in country B should keep a clean licence. Who wants unscrupulous hauliers cutting rates, and pushing drivers to do too much in another country? Foreign plated trucks running our speed cameras with no penalty? Cant be right. Do you want a UK driver to be fined and penalty points for running a red light but not a Euro driver? I dont. If that means I get fined for running a speed camera in France, then so be it. Sure I wont be happy when I write out my cheque, but there we are.
Carryfast:
You’ve missed the point in that AndrewG etc were trying to paint the continent as some reasonably relaxed enforcement regime for drivers.When that ‘would’ have been correct in the case of cars up to around let’s say around 2,000 and a lot earlier than that,if at all,in the case of trucks.
As for the Frogs taking the ■■■■ with the stupid over enforcement of their even more stupid motorway limits,while charging a fortune in tolls for the privilege,no they can zb off.With us at least hopefully now not getting involved in their bs cross border licence penalty system and preferably telling them and the Krauts to shove their equally bs truck motorway limits and limiters.
Youre right. I am missing your point. I would agree that France Spain etc became much less relaxed in the 80s and 90s. In truth that is no bad thing. I was no saint in those days, and so could be accused of hypocrisy, but Im glad there is stronger enforcement now. My experience is a bit different than AndrewGs in that the Gendarmerie are as strict now as the UK authorities and Id say there are now more spot checks in France than the UK.
The French charge for (most of) their Autoroutes but national roads are still a free alternative.
I still dont think that a driver from country A who commits an offence in country B should keep a clean licence. Who wants unscrupulous hauliers cutting rates, and pushing drivers to do too much in another country? Foreign plated trucks running our speed cameras with no penalty? Cant be right. Do you want a UK driver to be fined and penalty points for running a red light but not a Euro driver? I dont. If that means I get fined for running a speed camera in France, then so be it. Sure I wont be happy when I write out my cheque, but there we are.
As I said the rest of the English speaking world seem to be doing just fine with a much more relaxed truck speed enforcement regime just as we had before Euroland stuck its nose into our business.Also bearing in mind that a US speeding offence won’t mean a UK or even an out of state licence endorsement,so why should Euroland be any different
While no thanks getting 6 points on a UK licence for ‘speeding’ with a car on a clear French motorway is even worse than same at 3 am on the M40 let alone paying them a fortune in tolls for the privilege.
In which case,with the exception of the German car motorway speed regime,we both at least agree that AndrewG etc are talking bollox if they think that Euroland is still some sort of utopia for drivers,assuming it ever was for trucks.As I said with a seeming false sense of freedom in that case.To the point where as I said a 100 kmh limiter setting is just a case of if/when he meets the wrong copper in the wrong place at the wrong time in which case I’d guess as usual they’ll make up and decide the penalty as they go along.
Maybe youre missing my point? Ill try again: Is it right that an Eu driver can run a UK traffic camera and walk away from the offence whilst a UK driver will not. (Assuming auto plate recognition etc). I say not. And if that means you and I have to respect the rules of other countries we choose to work or visit, then that`s ok for me.
Yeah, 80mph on an empty motorway may seem slow, but we are all adult enough to accept the world is not a perfect place and not everyone is a driving god such as you and I, and the rules are there for the mortals.
Franglais:
Maybe youre missing my point? Ill try again: Is it right that an Eu driver can run a UK traffic camera and walk away from the offence whilst a UK driver will not. (Assuming auto plate recognition etc). I say not. And if that means you and I have to respect the rules of other countries we choose to work or visit, then that`s ok for me.
Yeah, 80mph on an empty motorway may seem slow, but we are all adult enough to accept the world is not a perfect place and not everyone is a driving god such as you and I, and the rules are there for the mortals.
Firstly if an EU driver getting away with running a UK scamera means a UK driver not getting 6 points for travelling at more than coma inducing speed on a clear autoroute then no I’ve got no problem with that.However ‘if’ you were to say cross border fines but ‘not’ licence endorsement than yes that might work.In just the same way that if I get nicked on a US interstate then I expect to pay the fine but I won’t get an endorsement on my UK licence.In just the same way that a Florida licence won’t be endorsed for a speeding offence in California.IE as AndrewG rightly said let’s not make traffic enforcement of ze rules a ■■■■ esque process.‘The point’ being his etc obvious false sense of freedom regards Euroland v here in that regard.
Not sure if ebay do sell them Franglais. But one thing I have learnt in the last three years is that there is a plethora of idiots within this industry, some of whom have found their way onto this very site.
Last chance saloon for me, see what my new employers are like mate.
Franglais:
I would say points are a deterrent more than just a fine. Let`s get rid of habitual offenders who have fines paid by their bosses.
As I said running at more than coma inducing speeds on a clear French autoroute doesn’t exactly fit the definition of ‘habitual offender’.
Meanwhile I’m sure AndrewG will be ecstatic when he gets 6 points and tea and no biscuits with the TC about a dodgy limiter calibration for running at 100 kmh on a French autoroute.As for the paddies who knows what the Garda will do about them.
eagerbeaver:
Not sure if ebay do sell them Franglais. But one thing I have learnt in the last three years is that there is a plethora of idiots within this industry, some of whom have found their way onto this very site.
Last chance saloon for me, see what my new employers are like mate.
Good luck to you. Hope it all works out. I dunno if you have any more strings to your bow? Being an old ■■■■ and serial offender at truck driving I dont think Id readily adapt to life in the wider (or is that narrower) world. The job is not perfect, but on the whole Im not unhappy doing it. Im with a reasonable employer, smaller company, who mostly leaves me alone to get on with it. Good luck , again.
eagerbeaver:
Not sure if ebay do sell them Franglais. But one thing I have learnt in the last three years is that there is a plethora of idiots within this industry, some of whom have found their way onto this very site.
Last chance saloon for me, see what my new employers are like mate.
Yeah agree there, getting more and more common these days, people can’t do a simple job without crying and telling every man and his dog about how he’s had enough.
Franglais:
I would say points are a deterrent more than just a fine. Let`s get rid of habitual offenders who have fines paid by their bosses.
As I said running at more than coma inducing speeds on a clear French autoroute doesn’t exactly fit the definition of ‘habitual offender’.
Meanwhile I’m sure AndrewG will be ecstatic when he gets 6 points and tea and no biscuits with the TC about a dodgy limiter calibration for running at 100 kmh on a French autoroute.As for the paddies who knows what the Garda will do about them.
You dont drive over here CF and have no idea what its like. I never said its some kind of ‘Utopia’ as you put it. Of course theres rules and regs to abide by just like any country but if you read my posts i said if you drive within reason and dont do daft things YOU ARE left alone! Ive done Euro driving for more years than ive ever worked in the UK so do have just a little experience!
I keep my truck in top notch no expense spared condition, it would with stand any inspection whether here or DVSA including ‘limiter calibration’. I work for myself but as ive previously mentioned there are many thousands of drivers whose trucks go that few kph over the limit and many owned by big players, it really is not the big deal youre making it out to be. As Franglais has pointed out, yes things have got tighter over the years but relatively speaking its no where near on a level with the UK. And if you really do think im talking bollox as you put it, come over here and put yourself in a drivers seat…
