Winseer:
One thing that seems to have been missed by ALL here is the notion that the Transport Industry is actually a political faction in it’s own right. Big time.
Any Sci Fi fan might be aware of a series of books by Frank Herbert called “Dune” which deals with issues like a scare commodity (like Oil today) along with a transport industry that holds entire planets to ransom (by threatening them with isolation).
A transport boycott of any business - would bring it to it’s knees in short order. YET there has never been any political organization of a really effective Transport Pressure Group (NOT the toothless Road Haulage Association) which could bring a lot of pressure upon governments in a similar way that the rail unions did in the past.
Lack of a nationwide trucker’s Union then - is to blame for a lot of the crap that we drivers now find ourselves saddled with in this country.
Anyone here working as a supermarket delivery driver in a puddle jumper van to people’s private homes?
There must be more job vacancies in this line of work right now - than any other “transport” related job in the country!
Too many jobs - not enough willing to fill them @ £7.50ph for working in London FFS.
So they’ll all end up going to the desperate and the unvetted. Whilst we all feel sorry for the desperate - we’ll miss the fact that the next Jihadist bombing campaign might be literally brought to people’s doorsteps by the growing army of jihadists that now find themselves left in charge of a puddle jumper!
Really? Mohamed is going to get a job with Ocado, just to deliver a bomb at someone’s front door?
Winseer:
One thing that seems to have been missed by ALL here is the notion that the Transport Industry is actually a political faction in it’s own right. Big time.
Any Sci Fi fan might be aware of a series of books by Frank Herbert called “Dune” which deals with issues like a scare commodity (like Oil today) along with a transport industry that holds entire planets to ransom (by threatening them with isolation).
A transport boycott of any business - would bring it to it’s knees in short order. YET there has never been any political organization of a really effective Transport Pressure Group (NOT the toothless Road Haulage Association) which could bring a lot of pressure upon governments in a similar way that the rail unions did in the past.
Lack of a nationwide trucker’s Union then - is to blame for a lot of the crap that we drivers now find ourselves saddled with in this country.
Anyone here working as a supermarket delivery driver in a puddle jumper van to people’s private homes?
There must be more job vacancies in this line of work right now - than any other “transport” related job in the country!
Too many jobs - not enough willing to fill them @ £7.50ph for working in London FFS.
So they’ll all end up going to the desperate and the unvetted. Whilst we all feel sorry for the desperate - we’ll miss the fact that the next Jihadist bombing campaign might be literally brought to people’s doorsteps by the growing army of jihadists that now find themselves left in charge of a puddle jumper!
Really? Mohamed is going to get a job with Ocado, just to deliver a bomb at someone’s front door?
And he’ll leave your eggs squashed at the bottom too for good measure
Honestscott76:
Drivers pay needs to be graded, based on experience and demand for the job. Hgv driving is the only industry I am aware of where a new starter can earn the same (in some cases more) as a driver with 40 years under his belt.
Honestly !
I know young guns in this game who’s professionalism blows a lot of the 20+year brigade out of the water.
So I wouldn’t be in favour of pay based on experience.
Honestscott76:
Drivers pay needs to be graded, based on experience and demand for the job. Hgv driving is the only industry I am aware of where a new starter can earn the same (in some cases more) as a driver with 40 years under his belt.
Honestly !
I know young guns in this game who’s professionalism blows a lot of the 20+year brigade out of the water.
So I wouldn’t be in favour of pay based on experience.
Nor would i.
Experience should equate to constant improvement in skills, which if the driver has the right attitude to work, will naturally lead to better paid progression within the industry as the driver hones those skills in the speciality they choose to.
Those who carry on being poor specimens for years on end do not deserve better pay than those who even though lacking experience do their very best to make themselves better (leading to better paid jobs as they skill up) drivers.
I have no problem with companies rewarding long termers of worth with bonuses or better pay or other perks for long and/or good reliable service, retaining good drivers is a good policy to have.
Winseer:
One thing that seems to have been missed by ALL here is the notion that the Transport Industry is actually a political faction in it’s own right. Big time.
Any Sci Fi fan might be aware of a series of books by Frank Herbert called “Dune” which deals with issues like a scare commodity (like Oil today) along with a transport industry that holds entire planets to ransom (by threatening them with isolation).
A transport boycott of any business - would bring it to it’s knees in short order. YET there has never been any political organization of a really effective Transport Pressure Group (NOT the toothless Road Haulage Association) which could bring a lot of pressure upon governments in a similar way that the rail unions did in the past.
Lack of a nationwide trucker’s Union then - is to blame for a lot of the crap that we drivers now find ourselves saddled with in this country.
Anyone here working as a supermarket delivery driver in a puddle jumper van to people’s private homes?
There must be more job vacancies in this line of work right now - than any other “transport” related job in the country!
Too many jobs - not enough willing to fill them @ £7.50ph for working in London FFS.
So they’ll all end up going to the desperate and the unvetted. Whilst we all feel sorry for the desperate - we’ll miss the fact that the next Jihadist bombing campaign might be literally brought to people’s doorsteps by the growing army of jihadists that now find themselves left in charge of a puddle jumper!
Really? Mohamed is going to get a job with Ocado, just to deliver a bomb at someone’s front door?
Oh come on. Quit the anti-brexiteer, anti calling a spade a spade politically correct thing.
What I’m getting at is that for driving a van around London these days - How much vetting do you think there is right now, what with a LGV total ban coming as well, and no upward pressure upon wages?
It isn’t even going to be brudder getting out of bed for that kind of money - it’ll be some fresh-faced ethnic with at very least a dubious knowledge of London got around with a satnav combined with an “open door” policy to new recruits, because the firms are desperate to get bombs erm I mean bums on seats here. Then you’ve got EDL type people that think they’ll be in a better position to be a vigilante by taking up such a job as well… I would argue that the roads of London will become quite a different kind of battlefield under the tenureship of Khaaan, who is born to look the other way when it comes to “intergration risk”.
Winseer:
it’ll be some fresh-faced ethnic with at very least a dubious knowledge of London got around with a satnav combined with an “open door” policy to new recruits, because the firms are desperate to get bombs erm I mean bums on seats here. Then you’ve got EDL type people that think they’ll be in a better position to be a vigilante by taking up such a job as well… I would argue that the roads of London will become quite a different kind of battlefield under the tenureship of Khaaan, who is born to look the other way when it comes to “intergration risk”.
This could make a brilliant action movie.Picture the scene as the two Ocado vans battle in a Bruce Willis v baddies scenario across whichever of the London bridges and one goes through the barriers into the river.We won’t know which one it was because the BBC news will just report a traffic accident involving the unbelievable coincidence of the two vans and their Brit/Norwegian/Swedish/German/French drivers one of who just happens to be known by the nickname of Mohamed which has absolutely nothing to do with any religious connotations regarding his beliefs or ethnicity.While the whole of London is put under lock down by well armed security services in the usual routine response to such accidents.
The only way to respond to the nanny state and their PC bullshine propaganda is to take the sarcastic ■■■■ mercilessly.
The BBC will know and pronounce mohammed as Phil or Pete or John in the interviews with on the scene action reporters…
Winseer:
One thing that seems to have been missed by ALL here is the notion that the Transport Industry is actually a political faction in it’s own right. Big time.
Any Sci Fi fan might be aware of a series of books by Frank Herbert called “Dune” which deals with issues like a scare commodity (like Oil today) along with a transport industry that holds entire planets to ransom (by threatening them with isolation).
A transport boycott of any business - would bring it to it’s knees in short order. YET there has never been any political organization of a really effective Transport Pressure Group (NOT the toothless Road Haulage Association) which could bring a lot of pressure upon governments in a similar way that the rail unions did in the past.
Lack of a nationwide trucker’s Union then - is to blame for a lot of the crap that we drivers now find ourselves saddled with in this country.
Anyone here working as a supermarket delivery driver in a puddle jumper van to people’s private homes?
There must be more job vacancies in this line of work right now - than any other “transport” related job in the country!
Too many jobs - not enough willing to fill them @ £7.50ph for working in London FFS.
So they’ll all end up going to the desperate and the unvetted. Whilst we all feel sorry for the desperate - we’ll miss the fact that the next Jihadist bombing campaign might be literally brought to people’s doorsteps by the growing army of jihadists that now find themselves left in charge of a puddle jumper!
Really? Mohamed is going to get a job with Ocado, just to deliver a bomb at someone’s front door?
Oh come on. Quit the anti-brexiteer, anti calling a spade a spade politically correct thing.
What I’m getting at is that for driving a van around London these days - How much vetting do you think there is right now, what with a LGV total ban coming as well, and no upward pressure upon wages?
It isn’t even going to be brudder getting out of bed for that kind of money - it’ll be some fresh-faced ethnic with at very least a dubious knowledge of London got around with a satnav combined with an “open door” policy to new recruits, because the firms are desperate to get bombs erm I mean bums on seats here. Then you’ve got EDL type people that think they’ll be in a better position to be a vigilante by taking up such a job as well… I would argue that the roads of London will become quite a different kind of battlefield under the tenureship of Khaaan, who is born to look the other way when it comes to “intergration risk”.
You’re probably right about the imminent decline of driving standards in that there London (if that is possible ), but why would an aspiring suicide bomber bother getting a job on a van, when a van can be had for a few quit, or even stolen just for the job?
Juddian:
The only way to respond to the nanny state and their PC bullshine propaganda is to take the sarcastic ■■■■ mercilessly.
The BBC will know and pronounce mohammed as Phil or Pete or John in the interviews with on the scene action reporters…
To be fair to ND some of that sarcasm was also directed at Winseer’s ideas of IS infiltrated and controlled home delivery services and the EDL,really hopefully undercover joint MI5 and CIA response. Although having said that the BBC response to the question as to why did the van explode like a massive depth charge as it sank scattering soggy groceries for miles around would be interesting.
I saw it on The Professionals on UKTV Gold. CI5 are only ever on the look out for people of Middle Eastern appearance or have a Russian accent. They peep out behind the net curtains ignore the cheek chappy milkman. They usually realise he delivered a bomb instead of six free range eggs 10 seconds before it goes off.
the nodding donkey:
You’re probably right about the imminent decline of driving standards in that there London (if that is possible ), but why would an aspiring suicide bomber bother getting a job on a van, when a van can be had for a few quit, or even stolen just for the job?
Winseer’s thinking probably goes along the lines of someone might question an unexpected delivery by whatever Scandinavian or European immigrant driver of questionable ethnic background with a white van.But not an expected home delivery service delivery.Which probably puts him way ahead of MI5 or the CIA.
Let alone what the BBC news would make of it if he turned out to be right.
Juddian:
The only way to respond to the nanny state and their PC bullshine propaganda is to take the sarcastic ■■■■ mercilessly.
The BBC will know and pronounce mohammed as Phil or Pete or John in the interviews with on the scene action reporters…
To be fair to ND some of that sarcasm was also directed at Winseer’s ideas of IS infiltrated and controlled home delivery services and the EDL,really hopefully undercover joint MI5 and CIA response. Although having said that the BBC response to the question as to why did the van explode like a massive depth charge as it sank scattering soggy groceries for miles around would be interesting.
They’ll put it down to an unexploded WWII German mine…
the nodding donkey:
You’re probably right about the imminent decline of driving standards in that there London (if that is possible ), but why would an aspiring suicide bomber bother getting a job on a van, when a van can be had for a few quit, or even stolen just for the job?
Winseer’s thinking probably goes along the lines of someone might question an unexpected delivery by whatever Scandinavian or European immigrant driver of questionable ethnic background with a white van.But not an expected home delivery service delivery.Which probably puts him way ahead of MI5 or the CIA.
Let alone what the BBC news would make of it if he turned out to be right.
I understand that, but I very much doubt that any suicide bomber would go through the soul destroying process of getting a job on a delivery service, to deliver a bomb to Doris at 24 Harlech Gardens…
Knowing my luck the Ocado suicide bomber will be out of bombs and substitute a pack of wetwipes instead.
What are these buggers on “sorry sir we are out of stock of your selected low calorie milk so here’s a packet of teabags, oh and we didn’t have any chocolate hobnobs so I’ve put me socks in”.
Dipper_Dave:
Knowing my luck the Ocado suicide bomber will be out of bombs and substitute a pack of wetwipes instead.
What are these buggers on “sorry sir we are out of stock of your selected low calorie milk so here’s a packet of teabags, oh and we didn’t have any chocolate hobnobs so I’ve put me socks in”.
These types can monitor your purchasing pattern, because everytime you pay for something with your credit/debit card, the details of your purchase are logged by your card provider and the retailer. So if they substitute a pack of wet wipes, you have probably bought those regularly before…
Dipper_Dave:
Knowing my luck the Ocado suicide bomber will be out of bombs and substitute a pack of wetwipes instead.
What are these buggers on “sorry sir we are out of stock of your selected low calorie milk so here’s a packet of teabags, oh and we didn’t have any chocolate hobnobs so I’ve put me socks in”.
These types can monitor your purchasing pattern, because everytime you pay for something with your credit/debit card, the details of your purchase are logged by your card provider and the retailer. So if they substitute a pack of wet wipes, you have probably bought those regularly before…
Dipper_Dave:
Knowing my luck the Ocado suicide bomber will be out of bombs and substitute a pack of wetwipes instead.
What are these buggers on “sorry sir we are out of stock of your selected low calorie milk so here’s a packet of teabags, oh and we didn’t have any chocolate hobnobs so I’ve put me socks in”.
These types can monitor your purchasing pattern, because everytime you pay for something with your credit/debit card, the details of your purchase are logged by your card provider and the retailer. So if they substitute a pack of wet wipes, you have probably bought those regularly before…
Dipper_Dave:
Knowing my luck the Ocado suicide bomber will be out of bombs and substitute a pack of wetwipes instead.
What are these buggers on “sorry sir we are out of stock of your selected low calorie milk so here’s a packet of teabags, oh and we didn’t have any chocolate hobnobs so I’ve put me socks in”.
These types can monitor your purchasing pattern, because everytime you pay for something with your credit/debit card, the details of your purchase are logged by your card provider and the retailer. So if they substitute a pack of wet wipes, you have probably bought those regularly before…
I think you mean loyalty card mate…
Nope.
So you’re telling me that Tesco, Asda, Morrisions, etc basically send my full receipt to my bank, and that they store/hold a database of all the individual items I purchased?
Any chance you can send me some links to prove that’s true pal?
the nodding donkey:
These types can monitor your purchasing pattern, because everytime you pay for something with your credit/debit card, the details of your purchase are logged by your card provider and the retailer. So if they substitute a pack of wet wipes, you have probably bought those regularly before…
I think you mean loyalty card mate…
Nope.
So you’re telling me that Tesco, Asda, Morrisions, etc basically send my full receipt to my bank, and that they store/hold a database of all the individual items I purchased?
Any chance you can send me some links to prove that’s true pal?
Of course the retailers have a record of what you purchased. That is an easy part to add to stock control. And they may not tell ghe bank the details, but the bank knows where and when you spend your money. All these bits of info can be found/bought/stolen, and collated into a more or less detailed profile of your spending habits. The loyalty cards were brought in to simplify that process.
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