the nodding donkey:
I understand that, but I very much doubt that any suicide bomber would go through the soul destroying process of getting a job on a delivery service, to deliver a bomb to Doris at 24 Harlech Gardens…
I think it’s the bin men we really need to worry about.They leave a bomb in every wheely bin on a round all synchronised to go off at the same time when East Enders starts.We’re all doomed. 
Carryfast:
the nodding donkey:
I understand that, but I very much doubt that any suicide bomber would go through the soul destroying process of getting a job on a delivery service, to deliver a bomb to Doris at 24 Harlech Gardens…I think it’s the bin men we really need to worry about.They leave a bomb in every wheely bin on a round all synchronised to go off at the same time when East Enders starts.We’re all doomed.
When’s EastEnders on? 
To be fair, I think there are probably far better targets for a bomb that a truck driver could access. I’ve worked at one place where a strategically placed device could cause absolute devastation… The worrying/concerning part was that I wasn’t subject to much in the way of security checks, and not once was I searched entering the site! There were loads of limpers around in that place, and the firm I worked for did get rid of one driver who, along with being useless, did ask a lot of questions about the site which could be interpreted in a suspect manner. Personally I think he was just inquisitive, as any bomber with an ounce of common sense wouldn’t have been so blatant with his questions…
Carryfast:
the nodding donkey:
You’re probably right about the imminent decline of driving standards in that there London (if that is possibleWinseer’s thinking probably goes along the lines of someone might question an unexpected delivery by whatever Scandinavian or European immigrant driver of questionable ethnic background with a white van.But not an expected home delivery service delivery.Which probably puts him way ahead of MI5 or the CIA.
Let alone what the BBC news would make of it if he turned out to be right.
If I turned out to be “right” - I’d probably have the MI5/CIA kicking my door down, wondering how come I’ve managed to mastermind this latest bomb plot whilst seriously not looking olive-compexioned, or having the nickname of “Mo”. 
As for “Why would a suicide bomber bother to get a job driving a van”… Well let’s look at it from the Hate Preacher operating as “Bomber Handler” point of view for a mo…
What they don’t want is a wavering kind of guy who either chickens out of blowing his vest, or decides to go somewhere all by himself to do it.
I would suggest that a whole day shift driving a van around London for the first time - would be enough to make a staunch Catholic be scrambling for an appointment at Dignitas - let alone get a prospective suicide bomber to both “get in the mood to do the deed” - and more importantly - STAY in the mood to see the job through as it were…
There’s no argument that these bombers wouldn’t be killing old dears ordering a dozen eggs either… If they can cut a priest’s throat who was in his eighties - there are no members of British Society whatsoever who can say “Islamic Terror won’t be targeting ME” alas. 
Well they would ask all the wrong questions because they’re mentally ill, the old bill diagnose them as such 5 minutes after an atrocity… 
Believe this is common knowledge now so am allowed to discuss, but when I worked for the top secret ‘think-tank’ one day we where asked to pinpoint strategic targets of road closure that would result in total gridlock of major cities and surrounding areas.
I was on the Bham team and M6 J10 to 8 was a primary point as well as 5 others (no one member knew all locations at the time).
Anyway to test we had to run a simulation in 1997, strange thing is I don’t believe the simulation was ever stopped.
Dipper_Dave:
Knowing my luck the Ocado suicide bomber will be out of bombs and substitute a pack of wetwipes instead.
What are these buggers on “sorry sir we are out of stock of your selected low calorie milk so here’s a packet of teabags, oh and we didn’t have any chocolate hobnobs so I’ve put me socks in”.
I suppose you could get some anti-hero type who drives up with an wagon full of “animal by-product” - and shove it up someone’s nose in a 7.5t emposhment area saying “Eat THIS air soles!”
or even “Why does this stuff keep happening to us”? meaning there might yet be a part in this grand production for Bruce Willis yet!
Substituted goods:
“We couldn’t get you a regular IED, so we are supplying you today with some handy C4 that the CIA have very kindly left us with, to convince us that we mustn’t leave NATO under any circumstances”
That was Winseer’s Conspiracy Theory for Today. Tune in the same time next week for more anti-PC action typed on his very own PC.
If Hilary wins in November - there will be “fireworks” on both sides of the atlantic I fear.
Juddian:
Well they would ask all the wrong questions because they’re mentally ill, the old bill diagnose them as such 5 minutes after an atrocity…
If “Radicalized Islamic” is to now be re-branded as “Mentally Ill” - then when do the men in white coats start rounding the buggers up then? 
Hilary is being played as favourite due to Trumps recent soldier ■■■■ up, classic bait and switch… Trump will win in the end but the king makers ain’t gonna make it easy for him.
Expect a dramatic Hilary revelation shock by mid October.
That’s if you believe any of this Illuminati, conspiracy stuff.
Winseer:
Juddian:
Well they would ask all the wrong questions because they’re mentally ill, the old bill diagnose them as such 5 minutes after an atrocity…If “Radicalized Islamic” is to now be re-branded as “Mentally Ill” - then when do the men in white coats start rounding the buggers up then?
Men in white coats are all redundant now, it used to take them weeks to diagnose mental illness, the old bill have it all done and dusted 5 minutes after an atrocity and several hours before they realise that Pete is actually Abu or Ali…
You know its mental illness when they send out the black clad ninjas armed to the bloody teeth, just in case this particular strain of mental illness is contagious…
Juddian:
Men in white coats are all redundant now, it used to take them weeks to diagnose mental illness, the old bill have it all done and dusted 5 minutes after an atrocity and several hours before they realise that Pete is actually Abu or Ali…
You know its mental illness when they send out the black clad ninjas armed to the bloody teeth, just in case this particular strain of mental illness is contagious…
We need to be careful not to panic the masses pal, they simply won’t be able to cope with the truth that we are now under siege. We’re all apparently in it together and we, as one big happy multiracial community need to stick together!
Like that ever existed in the first place…
Nationalism isn’t good for the economy, and that for some is the bigger picture! 
Freight Dog:
Is that supermarket work? What’s that, 30k a year plus bit for overtime? Not too bad. Especially for low stress lifestyle. Part of my back up plan in life. Don’t think the misses would buy the pay change if it happened though
Howdens Joinery £41,500 for a 56hr week plus bonuses plus private healthcare plus company pension.
Juddian:
Winseer:
Juddian:
Well they would ask all the wrong questions because they’re mentally ill, the old bill diagnose them as such 5 minutes after an atrocity…If “Radicalized Islamic” is to now be re-branded as “Mentally Ill” - then when do the men in white coats start rounding the buggers up then?
Men in white coats are all redundant now, it used to take them weeks to diagnose mental illness, the old bill have it all done and dusted 5 minutes after an atrocity and several hours before they realise that Pete is actually Abu or Ali…
You know its mental illness when they send out the black clad ninjas armed to the bloody teeth, just in case this particular strain of mental illness is contagious…
OK. Put an agency man in a white coat on it then - or have they not filled that shift yet due to asking for too much on “indeed”?
Non-female equal person required to wear a light coloured coat inoffensive to ethnic minorities. Tasks include telling bull to the press, filling in forms, updating status on facebook, and cleaning the toilets. Actually rounding up any errant members of the public is optional. “Non-status” individuals within the UK are not required to be rounded up due to it being a contravatention of human rights, even though the UK is supposed to be outside of the EU charter by this point. Remain voters being the natural majority among the ordinary citizenry believe we are in the EU until the EU is no longer present upon Earth - or the UK isn’t.
Conor:
Freight Dog:
Is that supermarket work? What’s that, 30k a year plus bit for overtime? Not too bad. Especially for low stress lifestyle. Part of my back up plan in life. Don’t think the misses would buy the pay change if it happened thoughHowdens Joinery £41,500 for a 56hr week plus bonuses plus private healthcare plus company pension.
Do you get paid for your meal breaks there? 
Darkside:
Evil8Beezle:
The industry wouldn’t have an alleged shortage if the basic as £15 an hour with overtime on top…I agree with that because there wouldn’t be a haulier left in business with pay rates that high…
+1
burnley-si:
Darkside:
Evil8Beezle:
The industry wouldn’t have an alleged shortage if the basic as £15 an hour with overtime on top…I agree with that because there wouldn’t be a haulier left in business with pay rates that high…
+1
So… where did all the savings go from having cheaper fuel these past couple of years?
…Or increasing the customer base?
…Or being taken over by a more efficient company?
I suggest there have been many savings - but none of them get passed onto the staff - let alone the customers…
How many firms of note have gone ■■■■ up so far “Because the increase in the minimum wage is gonna make us go under” - we got told at the time…?
This country needs a kick up the backside - a minimum wage that reflects the real level of supply and demand for labour and skill sets that cannot and must not be plugged forever and a day by unfettered immigration which is supposed to be coming to an end now.
I predict in the decade to come - companies will start going bust because they have crappy staff - rather than because they lose money on the more traditional things like “falling market share” or “price overheads ex payroll”.
The astute firm then - will bag themselves the quality drivers on premium rates sooner rather than wait for the herd to try and muscle their way in later. Think of what the supermarkets doing across Christmas via the Agencies right now - Over-bidding for labour during the busy times, only to cut you dead in January…
There will come a time when there won’t be any drivers left at any price - because they’ve by that point all been snapped up as full timers by the astute firms who knew when to time their “headhunt” a bit better than the rest.
I think most firms have been using fuel escalators for the past 10 years. The rates are uneffected, but the subsidies have dropped down
rob22888:
Honestscott76:
Drivers pay needs to be graded, based on experience and demand for the job. Hgv driving is the only industry I am aware of where a new starter can earn the same (in some cases more) as a driver with 40 years under his belt.Honestly !
I know young guns in this game who’s professionalism blows a lot of the 20+year brigade out of the water.
So I wouldn’t be in favour of pay based on experience.
Not if you take the ‘prat navs’, sorry sat navs off them.
Honestly !
Honestscott76:
rob22888:
Honestscott76:
Drivers pay needs to be graded, based on experience and demand for the job. Hgv driving is the only industry I am aware of where a new starter can earn the same (in some cases more) as a driver with 40 years under his belt.Honestly !
I know young guns in this game who’s professionalism blows a lot of the 20+year brigade out of the water.
So I wouldn’t be in favour of pay based on experience.
Not if you take the ‘prat navs’, sorry sat navs off them.
Honestly !
Realistically it’s a case of get on with the job sink or swim regardless of level of experience.As such there’s real no reason why newer drivers should be on less wages than their more experienced counterparts.On that note many old school drivers today wouldn’t have been expected to earn less than others when they were starting out themselves.Having said that it’s obvious that there are many types of examples in which the job has been de skilled and dumbed down which is obviously contributing to downward pressures on wage levels for all.A return to manual Fuller boxes and introducing LHV’s could only help all round in that regard.
