Hi, Folks, I think iff T1 and all the others had to put there own money in the pot like so many of the Haulage companys who were strugling to keep drivers and fitters in a job ,but still had to fund the pot ,Cheers Barry
b.waddy:
Hi, Folks, I think iff T1 and all the others had to put there own money in the pot like so many of the Haulage companys who were strugling to keep drivers and fitters in a job ,but still had to fund the pot ,Cheers Barry
Cheers Barry have you missed my point to ? Did you ever train at Motec ? If so what did you think of the training ?
There appears to be two different topics running here, obviously those who attended MOTEC learned something to their advantage but it was funded by haulier’s etc who were forced into the scheme wether they wanted it or not. Most would already have trained fitting staff and probably would not benefit from it at all, on the flip side I guess that anyone with a diploma from MOTEC would be at an advantage when applying for a job?
I know what Berwick means about the Labour government at the time being anti private haulage, when they returned to power a few years ago a couple of local lads chucked in the towel as Labour and Road Haulage has never been a happy combination and they could see problems possibly rearing their head again!
Pete.
Tamworth1:
leylandlover:
I wish that I had not started this topicBTW Bewick the staff who trained me were not jobs worth.As I said I went on four courses and learned something new on every one.
Leylandlover you shouldn’t feel like that! to many has been’s piping levy s**t because that’s all they know about !
MOTEC was a great place to learn I know that as a fact.
Hang about a bit T1,you sound like a bloke that would bite the hand that feeds you !!Don’t forget that if it hadn’t been for firms like Bewick Transport,Barry Waddy’s Family firm and many thousands like us you and others at the time would’nt have been able to enjoy the courses you attended,courtesy of the Levy extracted under pain of unlimited fines from hard pressed hauliers who never got anything back in return.And before you mouth off that if every haulier applied and fulfilled all the BS requirements they could have got a grant,forget it,the whole rotten edifice that was the RTITB was based on the calculation that only a fraction of the levy payers would have the time or the inclination to claim a grant.Therebye the RTITB could provide,first and foremost,fat salaries and gold plated pensions for their many staff and also provide a first class,no expense spared,training service for the few who were fortunate indeed to be able to take advantage of the RTITB largesse the cost of which was beaten (legally) out of the many Mugs that had to pay for it.Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
Tamworth1:
leylandlover:
I wish that I had not started this topicLeylandlover you shouldn’t feel like that! to many has been’s piping levy s**t because that’s all they know about !
MOTEC was a great place to learn I know that as a fact.Hang about a bit T1,you sound like a bloke that would bite the hand that feeds you !!Don’t forget that if it hadn’t been for firms like Bewick Transport,Barry Waddy’s Family firm and many thousands like us you and others at the time would’nt have been able to enjoy the courses you attended,courtesy of the Levy extracted under pain of unlimited fines from hard pressed hauliers who never got anything back in return.And before you mouth off that if every haulier applied and fulfilled all the BS requirements they could have got a grant,forget it,the whole rotten edifice that was the RTITB was based on the calculation that only a fraction of the levy payers would have the time or the inclination to claim a grant.Therebye the RTITB could provide,first and foremost,fat salaries and gold plated pensions for their many staff and also provide a first class,no expense spared,training service for the few who were fortunate indeed to be able to take advantage of the RTITB largesse the cost of which was beaten (legally) out of the many Mugs that had to pay for it.Cheers Bewick.
Many thanks to Dennis and co for paying for some of my RTITB training I always wondered why the wine on the table every evening meal (High Ercall only) tasted so sweet !! Does that make you feel better Dennis? Mouth off that’s rich from you !!
As good as MOTEC was at High Ercall (and that pub 5 minutes up the road from there seemed like 25 miles back in the dark when somewhat inbibed) I actually failed to meet the grade on my first attempt at the technicians exam. Consequently my then supervisor (who subsequently got sacked for bullying) kindly informed me that I would get the push if I failed the re sit (which I took in my own time and at my own expense) Let’s just say that I think I was put under unnecessary pressure and my next job was better anyway!
It was MOTEC Livingston for me 
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I was one for the many lads who ended up at Livingston on the Yoof trainin schemes (YTS).
So hopefully I will not suffer Bewick,s wrath .
The course I was on was general to the transport industry( first part on my steps to the young drivers scheme).
As part of my training (1986/87) , I was sent to Livingston for block releases of 4 weeks at a time.
It was a daunting thought to a lad of 16 , who had never travelled much from the west highlands , but I got to the point I was itching to go .
As a youngster I , along with the rest of my age group were not allowed to go to the pub ( well as long as we were not caught ).
We learned a full range of subjects on transport , from drivers hours to mechanics .
I am full of praise for my instructors and learned lots of things that have helped In my years of transport.
Part of me thinks these type of courses should be available to all youngsters wanting to enter transport.
It gave me a sound footing on how transport operated and I think it made me a better driver when the time came.
HI, DINGO, and T1, Answer to T1 when i worked my way up the ladder there was no training to be had i learnt the way many of other hauliers did chucked in at the deep end when i was about 12 years old ,Had some tough times but came through my yougest brother went went High Ercall so after our farther paid thousands of pounds into the scheme only 1 person had any benefit as noneof our employees did not think they would benefit from it , I am glad you found it beneficial and made good use of it but out of the many thousands firms that were forced to pay in to it how many like your self had any benefit ,? Cheers Barry
Hi Barry , yes I,d like to say thanks to your father and all the others that had to pay for my education .
Bit of case history on my side , i grew up on a Hill farm , my father and ,his father had been farmers.
But all I wanted to do is be in and around trucks , from the trucks that delivered the hay, straw and feed to the farm , to the ones that took the animals away.
Not coming from a haulage based family , I had to go and find trucks.
From arriving at my first bosses yard and pestering him to wash the trucks on a Saturday morning , payment being " a run out " in the trucks.
The school didn’t help me either , when meeting with them and being asked what I wanted to do , I replied " I want to be a lorry driver"…
They didn’t really have an answer for this and tried to get me a start with a local builder as a joiner or plumber !!!
Still I wanted to be around the trucks and out on the road.
So off my own back I managed to arrange with my then friend and to be boss , to get a start.
I was put on a youth training scheme ( one of Maggie T,s dreams) for 2 years.
At 16 years old , to be honest I did not care how these schemes were arranged and who paid for them !
All I knew was I was getting the chance to do something I wanted and loved to do.
It sure beat the hell out of gathering sheep !!!
In the 2 years I was on the courses I was shown how to fix the trucks I loved being near , how the jobs I was doing were priced and how to keep my hours right ( how to fiddle them came later lol).
After the 2 years YTS , my boss put me through my class 3 ( had been driving a Bedford cf from passing my test at 17) and as we only ran 4 wheelers that’s as far as I went till I was 21.
But I learned a lot about being on the road in that time.
I,m sorry there is such a resentment towards the RTITB , but for lads like myself that had no family history with transport , it was a godsend !.
Your father might only have got one person trained through it but I helped me and my dream.
At 45 now all I have done is road transport , so I would put it down as money well spent .
Hi, Dingo , I can see were your comming from i was exactly the same but had a advantage over you ,Hope you have used you knowlage well and are happy in your job ,So A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY , AND KEEP ON trucking ,cheers Barry
Contrary to popular opinion on this thread I have no beef whatsoever with the lads who were lucky enough to go through the various courses that the RTITB ran at their two training centres,but it was the manner with which the RTITB was imposed on the industry and the levy we had to pay which was basically “money down the drain” as far as the great majority of hauliers were concerned,so what gets me annoyed after all these years is how the likes of T1 just dismiss the actual reality of this most unjust legislation as if it was twopence halfpenny or similar.I’ll tell you what,if I could have returned to me to-day the total levy we paid during that time I would have to spread it around a few Banks so as not to exceed the protected limits set by the FSA.But alas it’s all “watter under the brig” now the sum total of which appears to be someone from Tamworth with a grudge against the firms/directors who had to foot the bill Only on the wind up T1,don’t get your underwear twisted ,it’s Christmas the season of Goodwill to all men (this includes “Carryfast” by the way) 
Cheers Bewick.
Dennis your like a broken record! Happy new year !
Tamworth1:
Dennis your like a broken record! Happy new year !
Keeps me alive giving you young lads “some wellie”, 
Happy New Year to you too !Dennis.
I like this bloke Dingo 
I cant imagine anyone on any course not learning something.Nobody at Richard Reads could show me how to strip an injector pump.or alter the cam timing on a ■■■■■■■■■■■ braking course was very good for me as I had been working on coaches when spring brakes came on the scene.
motec high ercall has just opened a page on facebook for anyone to post pictures memories etc
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dingo:
It was MOTEC Livingston for meI was one for the many lads who ended up at Livingston on the Yoof trainin schemes (YTS).
So hopefully I will not suffer Bewick,s wrathThe course I was on was general to the transport industry( first part on my steps to the young drivers scheme).
As part of my training (1986/87) , I was sent to Livingston for block releases of 4 weeks at a time.
It was a daunting thought to a lad of 16 , who had never travelled much from the west highlands , but I got to the point I was itching to goAs a youngster I , along with the rest of my age group were not allowed to go to the pub ( well as long as we were not caught
We learned a full range of subjects on transport , from drivers hours to mechanics .
I am full of praise for my instructors and learned lots of things that have helped In my years of transport.Part of me thinks these type of courses should be available to all youngsters wanting to enter transport.
It gave me a sound footing on how transport operated and I think it made me a better driver when the time came.
I did my apprentice training at Livingston motec, (1981/82) great 2 years learned many things I would not have done had I just been in the garage. The instructors were some of the best I have ever come across ( Mary who ran the bar in the residential block was no good at checking ages lots of black and tans were consumed and then deep fried anything from the chippy in Deans.) don’t know about the politics of it all but it gave me the best start.
So glad to see we are now getting posts from people who have good things to say about MOTEC hope the WLM will not savage these posts.
I attended both High Ercall and Livingston between 1984 and 1987 i did skills testing and several courses at High Ercall and my apprenticeship training at livingston/Bathgate technical collage, i remember well my course number was 526-007 living in the accommodation at Livingston for six and seven weeks at a time it wasn’t the most inspiring place to stay but comfortable and functional each bedroom wing was named after Scottish rivers. Training was first class at both MOTEC sites and Bathgate Technical collage
Anyone remember this old girl ?
Tamworth1:
Anyone remember this old girl ?
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she was the one thing we all wanted to drive but never got past sitting behind the steering wheel, we were told it was part of an army order that was cancelled