weeto:
Don’t see how this is truck related! Don’t think it will interest any one what farmers can or can’t do.
It’s truck related in the sense that why pay for a truck when they can carry 25 ton behind a tractor on fuel costing 70p with no testing of tractor or trailer or driver
So? Why would he want to pay some one, when he can do it himself, do you think it’s doing some one out of a job?
Won’t it? if they up the gross weight by 13 ton. If they make them work to the same rules as trucks and drivers it may be ok
Then people will start moaning about the price of spuds going up!
This is a bit like a post that was started a while ago about what showmen should or shouldn’t be doing, it has nothing to do with the road haulage business.
It’s not as if it’s being done 52 weeks a year now is it!
But how can it be right that on the one side of the coin you have the haulage industry that is so tightly regulated and watched yet the other side of the coin allows for the same movement of goods/equipment but without a fraction of the legislation?
Got too agree with you mate, Its just means more agri hualage being done by tractor and not truck.
Weeto, I’m afraid to say that it is basicaly 52 weeks a year already. When harvest work is done, which takes them from June to febuary, then its onto lime and plant moving such as previously mentioned.
Its the fact that its all being done with such minimal operating base compared to hualage that gets up my nose, back to fair competition, or the lack off
Add to that, minimal planning regs and none existent business rates on buildings, and it start to make you wonder why a hualier would even bother trying to compete
I know of several contractors who use a fast tow plant trailer behind powerful tractors and the like to avoid using a lorry or haulage firm to do it for them. They loosely term themselves as agricultural contractors / farmers and do what they pretty much want.
AHT:
Tractors have very little bearing on road haulage and despite the cheaper fuel generally cost more to run for haulage.
Totally unheard of that the driver is carrying a receipt for white diesel in his pocket, which went in the Landrover, just in case he gets stopped on one of his longer journeys then?
AHT:
Most tractors are only run for short distances on the road generally for the purpose of moving between farms, often when you see diggers and plant on the back of tractors its because they need to be transported off road to a certain place in a field again I would like to see someone try this with a truck the same for bales, they have to be collected from around the field.
Fat lot of good they’ll be in the field then if they haven’t got any wheels or tracks. I wouldn’t call running virtually the entire length of the A 249 a ‘short’ distance yet one notorious lot do it regularly.
AHT:
Yes there is some farm kit that is in a very poor state of repair however most tractor drivers think about what there doing, if a trailer has defective brakes it doesn’t make it unsafe to use it just means that more care must be taken and at less then 20mph trailer brakes make bugger all difference
WHAT? Defective brakes are safe? I can’t believe I’m reading this.
So the tractor manufacturers have never rejected any warranty claims because the tractor’s brakes have been overheated trying to stop a loaded trailer?
I drove a tractor and tipper dump trailer from 16 years old grossing 21 tonnes sometimes carrying Tarmac stone and muck away ,we all have to start somewhere .
AHT:
I would like to see someone try and use a tipper for carting maize/grass from a field, trucks are just not suited to that sort of work hence the need for tractors which still regularly get stuck especially during the late maize season.
Tractors have very little bearing on road haulage and despite the cheaper fuel generally cost more to run for haulage.
If the weight was increased I’m sure that it would only apply to tractor/trailer combos with air brakes just like fast tracks have much more strict rules on brakes.
reading this thread show how little allot of people on here know about farm work yet still take every opportunity to slag farmers off.
Most tractors are only run for short distances on the road generally for the purpose of moving between farms, often when you see diggers and plant on the back of tractors its because they need to be transported off road to a certain place in a field again I would like to see someone try this with a truck the same for bales, they have to be collected from around the field.
Yes there is some farm kit that is in a very poor state of repair however most tractor drivers think about what there doing, if a trailer has defective brakes it doesn’t make it unsafe to use it just means that more care must be taken and at less then 20mph trailer brakes make bugger all difference
Best post I’ve ever seen on the subject. I’d like to see some of the whiners hack farm deliveries, closest most of them get to off-road work is parking on the pavement.
Do you pay for the fuel that goes into the truck you drive?
i am being sarcastic hence the roll eyes
Can digger-loaders (JCBs to the uneducated ) still travel on the road carrying spare buckets in the front? I haven’t seen it done the last few I’ve seen on the road.
yes i go everywhere on red with my buckets ,and associated needs with me all legit , not sure if taking the 6 ton dumper to the tarmac plant the other day was legit though
d4c24a:
yes i go everywhere on red with my buckets ,and associated needs with me all legit , not sure if taking the 6 ton dumper to the tarmac plant the other day was legit though
Using the site dumpers for quarry collections was questioned when I worked in the quarry. Always thought it silly that there was a hard hat rule yet most dumper drivers that came in didn’t have one.
And going back to farmers, they’d happily wanded about under conveyor belts while waiting for a load.
d4c24a:
yes i go everywhere on red with my buckets ,and associated needs with me all legit , not sure if taking the 6 ton dumper to the tarmac plant the other day was legit though
Using the site dumpers for quarry collections was questioned when I worked in the quarry. Always thought it silly that there was a hard hat rule yet most dumper drivers that came in didn’t have one.
And going back to farmers, they’d happily wanded about under conveyor belts while waiting for a load.
They wouldn’t be allowed to get out of the tractor at the quarries this way, unless they had all the safety gear on. Any tipper driver seen without the right safety kit on doesn’t get loaded and faces a possible ban from the quarry.
Yes, i lost virtually all my cattle work to a contractor with a fastrac, complained to vosa and nothing happened. Lost a job running grain into a chicken farm because farmers did it cheaper, even outside of there allowed radius distance. Farmer round here weighed his new trailer and tractor loaded with feed and driven by a teenager, 4 axles and 39 tonne gvw!! Farmer from Bridgewater brought a large amount of straw from a farmer in marlborough, hauled it themselves on 13.6m flats because they wouldn’t pay the straw boys to do it.
So they take the ■■■■ now, and they’re going to get free range to do it even more, oh what joy! This effects all haulage because when they take my agri work i’ll have to come and try and take some of yours, and where does that normally end up??
There are dozens of situations that will affect the local haulier with this, especially in my spiritual home of East Yorkshire, market gardners running produce to market, farmers running their own grain into store, contractors with a farm and a spare excavator. Sugar beet factories, pig markets, dairies.
d4c24a:
yes i go everywhere on red with my buckets ,and associated needs with me all legit , not sure if taking the 6 ton dumper to the tarmac plant the other day was legit though
Using the site dumpers for quarry collections was questioned when I worked in the quarry. Always thought it silly that there was a hard hat rule yet most dumper drivers that came in didn’t have one.
And going back to farmers, they’d happily wanded about under conveyor belts while waiting for a load.
They wouldn’t be allowed to get out of the tractor at the quarries this way, unless they had all the safety gear on. Any tipper driver seen without the right safety kit on doesn’t get loaded and faces a possible ban from the quarry.
That’s very different than down here. If you’re on ex works you can wear gear you like except you need the hard hat and hi vis. But if you’re on work for the quarry then it’s the full gimp suit
Wheel Nut:
There are dozens of situations that will affect the local haulier with this, especially in my spiritual home of East Yorkshire, market gardners running produce to market, farmers running their own grain into store, contractors with a farm and a spare excavator. Sugar beet factories, pig markets, dairies.
So, why do you think that the farmers should pay some one else to take their goods to market, and lose what little profit there is in the goods being taken?
