The government have agreed to look into lifting the limit for tractors from 24 tonnes to 31 33 or 37 tonnes, also increasing speed from 20 to 25 mph. Nothing about white fuel, testing , hours or hgv license.
Don’t see how this is truck related! Don’t think it will interest any one what farmers can or can’t do.
They’ll still plead poverty. About time mgw for rigids was increased.
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Don’t see how this is truck related! Don’t think it will interest any one what farmers can or can’t do.
It’s truck related in the sense that why pay for a truck when they can carry 25 ton behind a tractor on fuel costing 70p with no testing of tractor or trailer or driver
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Don’t see how this is truck related! Don’t think it will interest any one what farmers can or can’t do.It’s truck related in the sense that why pay for a truck when they can carry 25 ton behind a tractor on fuel costing 70p with no testing of tractor or trailer or driver
So? Why would he want to pay some one, when he can do it himself, do you think it’s doing some one out of a job?
It’s a bit like the raising the speed limits on single carriageways for HGV’s issue. Making it happen won’t actually make any difference other than the law catching up with what is actually happening.
There are plenty of HGV drivers (self included) who view the 40 limit as a guide in the same way that there are plenty of farmers who will loads their trailers to capacity irrespective of the actual weight.
A lot of farmers regularly run over 24t anyway, they have told me themselves, they will just be doing it legally now. It will make a difference to us at Turners I would have thought. Farmers will now bring the stuff to us rather than us collecting it, and then sending it with other stuff.
It makes a big difference IMO.
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Don’t see how this is truck related! Don’t think it will interest any one what farmers can or can’t do.It’s truck related in the sense that why pay for a truck when they can carry 25 ton behind a tractor on fuel costing 70p with no testing of tractor or trailer or driver
Within 20 clicks of the farm yeah
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Don’t see how this is truck related! Don’t think it will interest any one what farmers can or can’t do.It’s truck related in the sense that why pay for a truck when they can carry 25 ton behind a tractor on fuel costing 70p with no testing of tractor or trailer or driver
So? Why would he want to pay some one, when he can do it himself, do you think it’s doing some one out of a job?
Won’t it? if they up the gross weight by 13 ton. If they make them work to the same rules as trucks and drivers it may be ok
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Don’t see how this is truck related! Don’t think it will interest any one what farmers can or can’t do.
It certainly is truck related and from what I can see, it is just another nail in the hauliers profit and loss account.
I never agreed with the legislation which allowed for JCB’s Fastrac to be legal. You could take a 16 year old, plonk him in the driving seat, allow him to be in control of a vehicle with a GVW of 24 tonnes or thereabouts, allow the vehicle to run on red diesel and so on. Compare this to the poor old haulier…
There’s a good number of ‘agricultural contractors’ who use Unimogs, Fastracs and big tractors to move plant and materials from job to job too.
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Don’t see how this is truck related! Don’t think it will interest any one what farmers can or can’t do.It certainly is truck related and from what I can see, it is just another nail in the hauliers profit and loss account.
I never agreed with the legislation which allowed for JCB’s Fastrac to be legal. You could take a 16 year old, plonk him in the driving seat, allow him to be in control of a vehicle with a GVW of 24 tonnes or thereabouts, allow the vehicle to run on red diesel and so on. Compare this to the poor old haulier…
They are speed restricted now, and can’t use red on the road, or should I say shouldn’t, just like trucks shouldn’t run on red, or run bent or overloaded or unlicensed.
There are more things to worry about in this industry, than what farmer Palmer is up to.
They get done for breaking the laws just like we do.
It just means that we shall see even larger 360 machines plonked unsecured on the back of ropey old home made trailers.
I’ve been asked several times to do some little, or not so little job, to what amounts to a pile of rust that goes out on the road. I always just smile and somehow seem to forget all about it. Last one involved repairing a broken brake rod which was held together with a cable tie. No way even though I might just have been able to renew it …except there were no linings at all on any of the brake shoes, the shoes had rusted away into holes and the drums were wafer thin. Trailer is sometimes used to carry around a 13 ton 360 machine.
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Don’t see how this is truck related! Don’t think it will interest any one what farmers can or can’t do.It’s truck related in the sense that why pay for a truck when they can carry 25 ton behind a tractor on fuel costing 70p with no testing of tractor or trailer or driver
So? Why would he want to pay some one, when he can do it himself, do you think it’s doing some one out of a job?
Won’t it? if they up the gross weight by 13 ton. If they make them work to the same rules as trucks and drivers it may be ok
Then people will start moaning about the price of spuds going up!
This is a bit like a post that was started a while ago about what showmen should or shouldn’t be doing, it has nothing to do with the road haulage business.
It’s not as if it’s being done 52 weeks a year now is it!
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Don’t see how this is truck related! Don’t think it will interest any one what farmers can or can’t do.It’s truck related in the sense that why pay for a truck when they can carry 25 ton behind a tractor on fuel costing 70p with no testing of tractor or trailer or driver
So? Why would he want to pay some one, when he can do it himself, do you think it’s doing some one out of a job?
Won’t it? if they up the gross weight by 13 ton. If they make them work to the same rules as trucks and drivers it may be ok
Then people will start moaning about the price of spuds going up!
This is a bit like a post that was started a while ago about what showmen should or shouldn’t be doing, it has nothing to do with the road haulage business.
It’s not as if it’s being done 52 weeks a year now is it!
But how can it be right that on the one side of the coin you have the haulage industry that is so tightly regulated and watched yet the other side of the coin allows for the same movement of goods/equipment but without a fraction of the legislation?
I would like to see someone try and use a tipper for carting maize/grass from a field, trucks are just not suited to that sort of work hence the need for tractors which still regularly get stuck especially during the late maize season.
Tractors have very little bearing on road haulage and despite the cheaper fuel generally cost more to run for haulage.
If the weight was increased I’m sure that it would only apply to tractor/trailer combos with air brakes just like fast tracks have much more strict rules on brakes.
reading this thread show how little allot of people on here know about farm work yet still take every opportunity to slag farmers off.
Most tractors are only run for short distances on the road generally for the purpose of moving between farms, often when you see diggers and plant on the back of tractors its because they need to be transported off road to a certain place in a field again I would like to see someone try this with a truck the same for bales, they have to be collected from around the field.
Yes there is some farm kit that is in a very poor state of repair however most tractor drivers think about what there doing, if a trailer has defective brakes it doesn’t make it unsafe to use it just means that more care must be taken and at less then 20mph trailer brakes make bugger all difference
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Don’t see how this is truck related! Don’t think it will interest any one what farmers can or can’t do.It’s truck related in the sense that why pay for a truck when they can carry 25 ton behind a tractor on fuel costing 70p with no testing of tractor or trailer or driver
So? Why would he want to pay some one, when he can do it himself, do you think it’s doing some one out of a job?
Won’t it? if they up the gross weight by 13 ton. If they make them work to the same rules as trucks and drivers it may be ok
Then people will start moaning about the price of spuds going up!
This is a bit like a post that was started a while ago about what showmen should or shouldn’t be doing, it has nothing to do with the road haulage business.
It’s not as if it’s being done 52 weeks a year now is it!
not 52 weeks a year on 1 farm but 52 weeks a year for tipper drivers leading from farms if they all take there own
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Don’t see how this is truck related! Don’t think it will interest any one what farmers can or can’t do.It’s truck related in the sense that why pay for a truck when they can carry 25 ton behind a tractor on fuel costing 70p with no testing of tractor or trailer or driver
So? Why would he want to pay some one, when he can do it himself, do you think it’s doing some one out of a job?
Won’t it? if they up the gross weight by 13 ton. If they make them work to the same rules as trucks and drivers it may be ok
Then people will start moaning about the price of spuds going up!
This is a bit like a post that was started a while ago about what showmen should or shouldn’t be doing, it has nothing to do with the road haulage business.
It’s not as if it’s being done 52 weeks a year now is it!not 52 weeks a year on 1 farm but 52 weeks a year for tipper drivers leading from farms if they all take there own
The famers would have to then employ a driver to make the delivery’s if that was true, not like its actually effecting the total amount of work available is it
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I would like to see someone try and use a tipper for carting maize/grass from a field, trucks are just not suited to that sort of work hence the need for tractors which still regularly get stuck especially during the late maize season.Tractors have very little bearing on road haulage and despite the cheaper fuel generally cost more to run for haulage.
If the weight was increased I’m sure that it would only apply to tractor/trailer combos with air brakes just like fast tracks have much more strict rules on brakes.
reading this thread show how little allot of people on here know about farm work yet still take every opportunity to slag farmers off.
Most tractors are only run for short distances on the road generally for the purpose of moving between farms, often when you see diggers and plant on the back of tractors its because they need to be transported off road to a certain place in a field again I would like to see someone try this with a truck the same for bales, they have to be collected from around the field.
Yes there is some farm kit that is in a very poor state of repair however most tractor drivers think about what there doing, if a trailer has defective brakes it doesn’t make it unsafe to use it just means that more care must be taken and at less then 20mph trailer brakes make bugger all difference
True there are a lot of jobs trucks cannot do, but I can remember 15 years ago taking grain onto Immingham dock there was so many farmers with small trailers they had to stop them because of the que’s waiting to tip. Now if they can carry 25 ton on untaxed fuel they will all by out again
i’ve not seen anything official, but the rumours i’ve heard are that to run at the higher speeds and weight then annual testing would be needed, possibly needing to running on air brakes as well / twin circuit brakes.