Its getting harder to keep to the law. Nowhere to park yesterday, kept getting moved on at JCBs. Today a massive crash on the M6 where two hatchbacks bumped into each other and broke their bumpers resulting in miles of tailbacks, (and knock-on effects.. :smiley: ), went over again. The HATOs didnt seem to know what to do, they were all just standing there looking at it, and this HOURS after Id heard it on Radio2/Sally.
The slightest of incident, flat-tyre, minor bump etc means mayhem these days and massive delays.
The way they plan the runs means you usually have to try and get your break in as near the middle of the shift as poss resulting in over runs.
Its deffo getting harder to comply.
I think that when there is an accident a lot of the traffic is caused by people needlessly slowing down to have a good gawk. Ever notice that even when the vehicles involved are moved to the the hard shoulder the traffic still gets backed up for a bit and as soon as you pass it it’s straight back to full speed again.
I got one last week for 4:31 driving. I pulled up at Corley svcs and parked with the tacho showing 4:30 exactly. It stayed on this all through my break, then when I moved off after just under an hour it went to 4:31, and very shortly afterwards went to 0:01. Thought it was a glitch, but when I downloaded my card it came up as an infringement for 4:31.
■■■■■■ me off as a bit OCD about having a clean card. Not bothered about vosa as I think I’d have to act a real ■■■■■■■■ before anyone would give a toss, it’s just me.
Its only getting hard to comply if you’re one of those people who feel the need to run up to the 4hr 30 minutes. I’m starting to look for parking as soon as it gets near 4hrs.
they plan the runs means you usually have to try and get your break
This doesn’t compute.
■■■■■ it, I just suit mesel nowadays & if I get taken out then so be it. I just will not brick it about the odd half hour here & there for sensible logical reasons. Life is too short.
scaniason:
I got one last week for 4:31 driving. I pulled up at Corley svcs and parked with the tacho showing 4:30 exactly. It stayed on this all through my break, then when I moved off after just under an hour it went to 4:31, and very shortly afterwards went to 0:01. Thought it was a glitch, but when I downloaded my card it came up as an infringement for 4:31.■■■■■■ me off as a bit OCD about having a clean card. Not bothered about vosa as I think I’d have to act a real [zb] before anyone would give a toss, it’s just me.
If your tacho shows 4:30 then it’s always an infringement because 4:30 means you’ve gone past that point, ie. 4:30 and some seconds.
Left hand down!:
scaniason:
I got one last week for 4:31 driving. I pulled up at Corley svcs and parked with the tacho showing 4:30 exactly. It stayed on this all through my break, then when I moved off after just under an hour it went to 4:31, and very shortly afterwards went to 0:01. Thought it was a glitch, but when I downloaded my card it came up as an infringement for 4:31.■■■■■■ me off as a bit OCD about having a clean card. Not bothered about vosa as I think I’d have to act a real [zb] before anyone would give a toss, it’s just me.
If your tacho shows 4:30 then it’s always an infringement because 4:30 means you’ve gone past that point, ie. 4:30 and some seconds.
Not always. It could be 4:30:00, there’s the same chance of it being that as 4:30:any seconds which is of course 1 in 60. As 4:30:00 is exactly 4.5 hours therefore you’ve not exceeded it. the sequence will be 4:29:58, 4:29:59, 4:30:00, 4:30:01, 4:30:02. None of the first three are more than 4.5 hours so no problem but the next two are technically an infringement but you aren’t going to get nicked for them.
Coffeeholic:
Left hand down!:
scaniason:
I got one last week for 4:31 driving. I pulled up at Corley svcs and parked with the tacho showing 4:30 exactly. It stayed on this all through my break, then when I moved off after just under an hour it went to 4:31, and very shortly afterwards went to 0:01. Thought it was a glitch, but when I downloaded my card it came up as an infringement for 4:31.■■■■■■ me off as a bit OCD about having a clean card. Not bothered about vosa as I think I’d have to act a real [zb] before anyone would give a toss, it’s just me.
If your tacho shows 4:30 then it’s always an infringement because 4:30 means you’ve gone past that point, ie. 4:30 and some seconds.
Not always. It could be 4:30:00, there’s the same chance of it being that as 4:30:any seconds which is of course 1 in 60. As 4:30:00 is exactly 4.5 hours therefore you’ve not exceeded it. the sequence will be 4:29:58, 4:29:59, 4:30:00, 4:30:01, 4:30:02. None of the first three are more than 4.5 hours so no problem but the next two are technically an infringement but you aren’t going to get nicked for them.
That’s taking hair splitting to extremes. By your own admission, it’s a “1 in 60” chance that it won’t be an infringement so based on that it’s pretty safe to say that you’ll have exceeded 4:30 driving and got yourself an infringement if you haven’t twiddled the mode switch before it shows 4:30 on the display.
Left hand down!:
Coffeeholic:
Left hand down!:
scaniason:
I got one last week for 4:31 driving. I pulled up at Corley svcs and parked with the tacho showing 4:30 exactly. It stayed on this all through my break, then when I moved off after just under an hour it went to 4:31, and very shortly afterwards went to 0:01. Thought it was a glitch, but when I downloaded my card it came up as an infringement for 4:31.■■■■■■ me off as a bit OCD about having a clean card. Not bothered about vosa as I think I’d have to act a real [zb] before anyone would give a toss, it’s just me.
If your tacho shows 4:30 then it’s always an infringement because 4:30 means you’ve gone past that point, ie. 4:30 and some seconds.
Not always. It could be 4:30:00, there’s the same chance of it being that as 4:30:any seconds which is of course 1 in 60. As 4:30:00 is exactly 4.5 hours therefore you’ve not exceeded it. the sequence will be 4:29:58, 4:29:59, 4:30:00, 4:30:01, 4:30:02. None of the first three are more than 4.5 hours so no problem but the next two are technically an infringement but you aren’t going to get nicked for them.
That’s taking hair splitting to extremes. By your own admission, it’s a “1 in 60” chance that it won’t be an infringement so based on that it’s pretty safe to say that you’ll have exceeded 4:30 driving and got yourself an infringement if you haven’t twiddled the mode switch before it shows 4:30 on the display.
Indeed, but the fact it’s 1 in anything means it’s not always an infringement when the tacho shows 4:30. 
My tacho is one of the new style which works on the majority of the minute. So for it to show 4:30, I must have driven between 4:29:31 and 4:30:29, so 50:50 in my case. For the older style where any time driving and the whole minute counts, if you had done 4:30:01, it would have gone to 4:31, so on that one there can be no infringement, technical or otherwise for showing 4:30!
And for my next trick, I’m going to prove that lady gaga is really a woman! 
Just stick it on break when unloading…and say you were freely disposing of your time as you chose to do it.
…It got me in the front door by 11am. 
scaniason:
My tacho is one of the new style which works on the majority of the minute. So for it to show 4:30, I must have driven between 4:29:31 and 4:30:29, so 50:50 in my case. For the older style where any time driving and the whole minute counts, if you had done 4:30:01, it would have gone to 4:31, so on that one there can be no infringement, technical or otherwise for showing 4:30!And for my next trick, I’m going to prove that lady gaga is really a woman!
That’s bull[zb]. Do you also wait for the tacho to show 46 mins after a full break too then, because if it shows 45 it’s only 44 and a bit? 
When do you do your DCPC?
To be convicted under British law I believe there can be no doubt whatsoever so 1 in a billion is enough is it not?
No, I don’t wait for 46. I’m quite happy to work on what the tacho displays - I’m not the one claiming that 4:30 shown is an infringement.
What part of my statement about the earlier tachos do you have a problem with? Give me a rational statement rather than ‘that’s ■■■■■■■■’, and let’s see where we end up.
Jesus!
scaniason:
No, I don’t wait for 46. I’m quite happy to work on what the tacho displays - I’m not the one claiming that 4:30 shown is an infringement.What part of my statement about the earlier tachos do you have a problem with? Give me a rational statement rather than ‘that’s [zb]’, and let’s see where we end up.
Rational statement :
You said “4:30:01 would show as 4:31” (which is wrong). If that was the case then following the same pattern, you would need to wait til tacho showed 46 mins before you could move, because from your understanding on how tachos work it shows the next minute on the display before it’s completed the previous one, ie. if you set off when it showed 45 then according to you you’d have only done 44 mins and some seconds.
My statement was that the earlier tachos recorded the whole minute as driving if any part of it, even one second, was driving. What I then stated was that if you had actually driven for 4 hours, 30 minutes and 1 second, it would record that final minute as driving, giving a final display of 4:31. My argument was that having 4:30 shown on the display could not possibly be an infringement in the case of that version of tacho, for the reason shown above.
Which part of that do you disagree with?
scaniason:
My statement was that the earlier tachos recorded the whole minute as driving if any part of it, even one second, was driving. What I then stated was that if you had actually driven for 4 hours, 30 minutes and 1 second, it would record that final minute as driving, giving a final display of 4:31. My argument was that having 4:30 shown on the display could not possibly be an infringement in the case of that version of tacho, for the reason shown above.Which part of that do you disagree with?
All of it, because it’s wrong. Coffeeholic has already addressed this above. It won’t show 4:31 driving until you have done 4:31:00, 4:31:01 > 4:31:59. The display with show 4:30 driving for any period 4:30:00 > 4:30:59.
I think you need to ask your DCPC trainer for a refund. 
I don’t get infringements because I’m the boss of keeping myself legal.
Planners can request i get to so and so for a certain time but its up to me to do it legally, if not it gets there as soon as possible within the legal boundaries I have to work too.
That said I have a good set of planners who listen and understand that if I say i’m not going to make it then chances are i’m not going to make it.
Theres always tomorrow.
oh and you should be parked up for a break at 4.15, all this 4.30 bollox is the limit not a target.