Moral question

Let’s have a look from a further-out perspective.

You DO mind your own business, and a few weeks down the line you hear of a driver from that yard having run over a mum with pushchair somewhere, with the driver being arrested and detained on charges of “drink driving” as well as “causing death”… How are you going to feel, knowing that you could have piped up, but didn’t because you thought it was dishonourable to grass up what seemed to be a yard not taking due care to EVERYONE’s well being, including the wider public? In my mind, the HSE fines issued to yards when a member of the public or workforce gets killed following a systemic unsafe act - is peanuts to all but the very smallest yards. Do these small yards even pay the fines? - Or just go bust, and the entire management gets off Scot free, and opens up a new firm under a different name at the same yard a few months hence? We must have all seen such places if any of us have been doing this job for decades…

In my mind all this apparent “drivers getting trigger happy” at this yard in question though - might be on instructions from the managers to “cover themselves” rather than the drivers. After all, the reported accused observations were seeming to be made up, but got you to doubt your own sanity, and check all over again anyways.

In an environment like this, where it looks like there is a seriously bad atmosphere - It would surely make it easier to take a “hardened stance” and report for purposes of “prevention” what you have found?
…Not that the police or VOSA are actually going to follow it up! You’ve done your bit though, and if someone gets killed AFTER you’ve done your public duty and reported the unsafe situation ongoing at this yard - then your conscience is clear.

I once reported a yard for running their drivers 5x13-15 hour shifts per week, explaining to them that I’d been sent there on agency originally, but refused to turn up for the thursday 4th shift - because the previous three had all been 14-15 hours in length (exactly the same job & long run every night), the tuesday finishing shift barely having me pop my card in time for the 15 hour mark! I also got a bollocking from this yard for filling up at the “wrong fuel forecourt” (company fuel card in cab) and I was also criticized for refusing to answer the mobile phone in the cab. This was a bog-standard phone, not a hands-free kit - so as far as I was concerned, if I don’t have a convenient layby to pull over in straight away to answer it - I ain’t gonna answer it!

Despite having reported them though, there seemed to have been no follow-up from VOSA, since a few months later I heard that rather than a yard being spot-checked and heavily fined by having drivers all over their hours each and every week in some format or other - the bloody outfit had won an award in one of the trucker mags! WTF I thought! The runs in my own experience were giving me the very worst nodding dog experiences each and every of the three shifts I did there though, with me practically needing matchsticks to keep my eyes open when I’m on the last leg back past heathrow airport M25 in the rush hour. This job was quite a commute as well, and after this episode - I refused at all agencies thereafter to commute more than one hour out to any yard where I was given work.

When you think that fairly recently big-shot firm Stobarts got spot-checked and actually had one of their O licences suspended for such offences - perhaps VOSA have since tightened things up a bit, what with this all happening in my experience some years back and all. I wonder of course if the firm is still having all it’s drivers running bent by the thursday of each week though… :question:

It ain’t a safe environment having to do a maxed-out shift every day, even if that in fact only happens to the agency bod because the full timer has got the job to such a fine art that they can get their hours below 13 for the two shifts per week they need to do to make it all legal. The jobs some people will submit to as full timers! - I dunno! :open_mouth:

I would possibly work on the fact its a single can whilst not great its also unlikely he is a raging alcoholic (if he is careless enough to leave one can I doubt he would dispose of others).

maybe speak to the driver and mention it to him (maybe another driver has placed it to get him in the ■■■■).

In some Countries you loose your License if you are Passenger and the Driver drunk :bulb:

busteredwards:

robroy:

busteredwards:

robroy:
Maybe he was given it for helping somebody out, maybe he planned to give it to somebody to say thanks, maybe he found the [zb] thing…who [zb] knows…who cares.

An empty beer can’s hardly the thing you would ‘give’ to someone else as a thank you, or something you would keep if you found it!

If this is a day job with no nights out, then it would look to me as though it had been drunk during a shift. I’d say that was a problem!

Maybe he ■■■■■■ in the [zb] thing then :unamused:
Tell you what I would hate to be on trial with some of you lot on the jury. :unamused:

Yes, that’s likely, isn’t it? Meanwhile, whilst you’re clutching at straws & trying to come up with another daft reason why he would have it, on face value it wouldn’t be unreasonable to assume it’s been opened & scoffed in the truck.

Circumstantial evidence though, maybe not enough for a conviction. Maybe he’s a dedicated recycler of tin cans. (sorry if that was your next comeback) :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Look mate, I could not give a ■■■■ what he uses the can for, it’s none of my business.
I’m just amazed by some of the conclusions on here, the guy is tried convicted and jailed for having an empty can in his cab.
If he is seen ■■■■■■ in his cab get him banned but he has not.
It’s all just ott speculation, the type usually associated with ■■■■ busybodies…of which there are many in this job.

It remains immoral rather than illegal for a driver to have an empty alcohol can in the cab.

For Clarity, a zero tolerance approach to alcohol at the workplace in any shape or form “opened” needs to be implemented. Trouble is, too many firms are having enough trouble trying to enforce “no smoking in cabs” - because they lie about it being “against the law” when it is in fact merely “company policy”. Lie to the workforce, and they’ll happily take it on as yet another “rule meant to be broken”…

If my Auntie had ■■■■■■■■ she’d be my Uncle! That’s the same as all these “think of the children” knee jerk reactions. A guy passed me on the motorway today doing well over 100mph, surely it’s up to me to report him just in case some time in the next 50 years or so he kills someone!

Op, none of your business, don’t lower yourself. Nobody can take your dignity away, but you can sure as hell give it away yourself playing their games!

Oh, leave too, the place sounds like a kindergarten.

At the end of the day, none of us are that concerned how/why there’s an empty beer can in the truck, with the possible exception of the OP. Somebody posts on here & we give our tuppence worth, whether it’s right or wrong, we’ll maybe never know.

Time to crack open a couple of beers myself & enjoy this sunshine since I’m off for a few days. :sunglasses:

He was a Chelsea supporter if that makes any difference to anyone. [emoji6] Hate driving around surrounded by football flags.

The fact 2 different drivers felt the need to pick the phone up and dob me in to the office was odd though.
(Box was not open and crane did not have a “kink” in it)

I assumed this guy has mates here and I am being seen as some sort of scab for taking his load out.

Now I think maybe everyone hated him and took every opportunity to make him look daft. They’d have known his truck but maybe not that he wasn’t in that day.
Yeah it did feel like a kindergarden.

As said he may have downed it after shift and before walking home.

Thought about it for a while but decided I’d feel like more of a nob for getting involved and rather leave them to it.

Oh and to RobRoy I see what you’re saying but they are 2 fairly different things.

Climbing in to a builder’s merchant cab at 06:45 to see yesterdays can is different from getting in to a sleeper cab the last bloke spent a week in. Wouldn’t have thought twice in that situation.

robroy:
Ffs :laughing:
Why do you all jump to the conclusion the guy has a drink problem.
It sounds like an old woman’s gossip forum. :unamused:

Maybe he was given it for helping somebody out, maybe he planned to give it to somebody to say thanks, maybe he found the [zb] thing…who [zb] knows…who cares.
Next time you see him ■■■■■■ getting into his cab then think about doing something.
Until then keep your [zb] beaks out.

Btw…I will pm you all my firms no, so all the self righteous can grass me up.
…I’ve got 3 cans of Stella in my fridge. OBVIOUSLY got a drink problem…Jeez H :unamused:

I’ve got three cans in my fridge too. I must have a drink prob. I will be posting my company details so i can get grassed up as well :cry:

busteredwards:

robroy:
Maybe he was given it for helping somebody out, maybe he planned to give it to somebody to say thanks, maybe he found the [zb] thing…who [zb] knows…who cares.

An empty beer can’s hardly the thing you would ‘give’ to someone else as a thank you, or something you would keep if you found it!

If this is a day job with no nights out, then it would look to me as though it had been drunk during a shift. I’d say that was a problem!

How did you come to that conclusion? It was 1 (ONE) empty can. Maybe it was opened and emptied by a driver while at work, we don’t know.

Bearing in mind the OP was contacted twice in quick succession by the TM with allegations of the vehicle being not ready for the road I’d suggest that the firm may well have some evil sods working there who may have planted the empty can to incriminate a driver not in the “elite” clique. Just another possibility!! :bulb: :bulb:

Looooo:
No, but the funny thing was, during this day I got 5m out the yard and manager called to say he been told I was driving along with my side box open. I pulled over expecting straps all gone but found it was shut… and I had double checked it was properly closed before leaving.

Later that day I saw another from the same yard. Gave him a wave. 5m later I got a call from the manager saying he’d had a call from another driver saying he’d seen me driving with my crane improperly stowed. It was not! Wandering WTF is this? Everyone calling the manager grassing people up left right and center. Wierd.

Made me think I’ll mention the can ain’t mine either!

I can see what you mean by mentioning that the beer can isn’t yours, but if I was agency then my only view of a firm where the other drivers are preoccupied with calling the boss and grassing their colleagues up for nothing would be to swear not to work there again. No doubt everyone has encountered such idiots - every yard has one or two - and in my experience these hypocritical oafs often are not ‘squeaky clean’ themsevelves.

a spot i worked for, we had a driver who used to smell of booze especially monday morns, we never saw him drink whilst at work but we did suspect it, got the usual replies, keep ya beak out ect… its not your buisness ect, we used to do work for highways and had trucks based in their yard, the driver turned up and attempted to take truck out and it was only highways guys that stopped him leaving their yard… turned out he was x3 over the limit… we lost the contract, along with some others where it was presumed the word had spread. In the end a few of us left as there was,nt enough decent work to go around and we were stuck doing minimum hours… with a watchfull eye from police and vosa…

just another scenario in how it can affect you…

looking back i wished we had grassed him up…

robroy:
Ffs :laughing:
Why do you all jump to the conclusion the guy has a drink problem.
It sounds like an old woman’s gossip forum. :unamused:

Maybe he was given it for helping somebody out, maybe he planned to give it to somebody to say thanks, maybe he found the [zb] thing…who [zb] knows…who cares.
Next time you see him ■■■■■■ getting into his cab then think about doing something.
Until then keep your [zb] beaks out.

Btw…I will pm you all my firms no, so all the self righteous can grass me up.
…I’ve got 3 cans of Stella in my fridge. OBVIOUSLY got a drink problem…Jeez H :unamused:

stella isn’t that strong anyway,what is it 4/5%

Newbie7064:
I’ve got three cans in my fridge too. I must have a drink prob. I will be posting my company details so i can get grassed up as well :cry:

I’m more interested in the large tub of butter, nice to see a kindred spirit.
I too spread it all over my hand and grip tightly in a ‘I can’t believe it’s not a ■■■■■■’ stylee.

There are far too many variable and unknowns here to form a conclusion. Plus we are talking about 1 can, which isn’t enough to put him over the limit. He may have been craving a nice cold tinny all afternoon, and when he got back to the yard, he cracked it open and necked it before driving home in his car, which is no real difference from me having a single pint in the pub and driving home…

It’s not like you’ve witnessed him pulling into the yard, opening the door and face-planting the asphalt is it?

Dipper_Dave:

Newbie7064:
I’ve got three cans in my fridge too. I must have a drink prob. I will be posting my company details so i can get grassed up as well :cry:

I’m more interested in the large tub of butter, nice to see a kindred spirit.
I too spread it all over my hand and grip tightly in a ‘I can’t believe it’s not a ■■■■■■’ stylee.

Prefer real butter - I’m an Anchor man myself

I seen a foreign truck other week there.

Driving up motorway can’t remember where exactly I was anyways.

He had few empty cans at drivers side up against the space at the front windscreen.
Was those cheap stella from Aldi or Lidl too.

I thought ■■■■ me that’s got pull me all over it.

I also done bit agricultural work a couple years ago.

There was a lad at tipping site fell out his cab ■■■■■■ drunk.
Absolutely mortal drunk.
One lads had take keys of the ■■■■■

He got sacked.

I’m with Maoster (again), that place sounds like a right dive and i wouldn’t work there.

In this job its best to develop certain problems with your senses and faculties, there are times you don’t see or hear or say things, and this is one such time.
The company appears to operate on a grasses charter anyway, no need for any competition.

Newbie7064:

robroy:
Ffs :laughing:
Why do you all jump to the conclusion the guy has a drink problem.
It sounds like an old woman’s gossip forum. :unamused:

Maybe he was given it for helping somebody out, maybe he planned to give it to somebody to say thanks, maybe he found the [zb] thing…who [zb] knows…who cares.
Next time you see him ■■■■■■ getting into his cab then think about doing something.
Until then keep your [zb] beaks out.

Btw…I will pm you all my firms no, so all the self righteous can grass me up.
…I’ve got 3 cans of Stella in my fridge. OBVIOUSLY got a drink problem…Jeez H :unamused:

I’ve got three cans in my fridge too. I must have a drink prob. I will be posting my company details so i can get grassed up as well :cry:

I’d say anyone who can’t knock drinking alcohol on the head for the shifts they are in a cab for - DOES have a “drink problem”.

I like a beer like anyone else, and I’m rather partial to a tot of rum or six and all.
I save it for my days off though. It ain’t rocket science!

Btw… That cholesterol-laden butter substitute looks well dodgy … :stuck_out_tongue: