Contraflow:
BillyHunt:
In my opinion it’s one of the best things to happen to this industry in years, not the way it’s run, it should be a lot harder to pass, but for the effect of getting rid of the dross…+1
I thought that was what I was aruging, and you were arguing against me on■■? 
The thing is you don’t have to pass it, you can’t fail it.
desypete:
the money is going up all over the place
as many know i was one of the drivers who refused to get a cpc card and gave up with driving like a lot of other guys who had the guts to make a standfor all those drivers who went ahead and got there cpc card you dont deserve a single penny of any increase in pay as you had no balls to hold this country to book
the cpc card was the best chance ever for all drivers to have told the bosses no and thought about the bigger picture, there was no way on earth they could replace all the drivers so the country would of had to have backed down
as it is the few of us who made the stand have created a shortfall of experienced drivers hence the money is going up now as they know each year there are not enough drivers coming through so the rates will have to go up for a while now to try to get back to the time when there are to many drivers
anyway not one driver who got his cpc should benefit as they never had the balls, dont give me the i have a mortgage to pay rubbish as there would of been no way anyone would of lost there job if yard by yard all the drivers said no to training. we would all be on at least 20 quid an hour now with over time after 8 as it is things will improve for those good little drivers who did what the bosses wanted and put themselves first makes me sick but thats what drivers are like.
just looking on the forum i have seen many threads all about who is getting paid what ? the little herberts are looking to see if they can make more money all over, the best advice i would give to drivers is keep your gob shut about how much more money your getting to keep them greedy little herberts stuck in there low pay jobs serve them right in my eyes : )
This is possibly the most bitter opinion I have ever seen on anything, anywhere! And I know lots of Evertonians.
You sad sad man!
Makes me smile all this chat about money going up, Down here in the south there is no sign of wage increases nor of drivers shortages, you will struggle to get more than £8 hr for class one work, so it is not country wide by any means…
this dessypete must be well into his 60,s to think like that,im 43 and dont think having that way of thinking will help me one bit 
Cheers Desypete! If it wasn’t for people like yourself I wouldn’t have had a 10% pay rise recently!
Phil1979:
desypete:
the money is going up all over the place
as many know i was one of the drivers who refused to get a cpc card and gave up with driving like a lot of other guys who had the guts to make a standfor all those drivers who went ahead and got there cpc card you dont deserve a single penny of any increase in pay as you had no balls to hold this country to book
the cpc card was the best chance ever for all drivers to have told the bosses no and thought about the bigger picture, there was no way on earth they could replace all the drivers so the country would of had to have backed down
as it is the few of us who made the stand have created a shortfall of experienced drivers hence the money is going up now as they know each year there are not enough drivers coming through so the rates will have to go up for a while now to try to get back to the time when there are to many drivers
anyway not one driver who got his cpc should benefit as they never had the balls, dont give me the i have a mortgage to pay rubbish as there would of been no way anyone would of lost there job if yard by yard all the drivers said no to training. we would all be on at least 20 quid an hour now with over time after 8 as it is things will improve for those good little drivers who did what the bosses wanted and put themselves first makes me sick but thats what drivers are like.
just looking on the forum i have seen many threads all about who is getting paid what ? the little herberts are looking to see if they can make more money all over, the best advice i would give to drivers is keep your gob shut about how much more money your getting to keep them greedy little herberts stuck in there low pay jobs serve them right in my eyes : )
This is possibly the most bitter opinion I have ever seen on anything, anywhere! And I know lots of Evertonians.
You sad sad man!
john-sussex:
Makes me smile all this chat about money going up, Down here in the south there is no sign of wage increases nor of drivers shortages, you will struggle to get more than £8 hr for class one work, so it is not country wide by any means…
Same around here (south and west of Glasgow). Does seem to be a bit more work around though, so maybe need to give it time.
Desypete, I understand what you are saying but it would never be possible in this country, you can’t even rely on the people that work in the same yard as you sticking beside you, let alone the whole country.
A lot of people never paid a penny for their card infact they got paid to attend the course with the promise of an extra 50p an hour for their troubles so you rule them out right away.
And yes I do have bills to pay so I need to keep working.
I’ve never thought about this too much but if someone is prepared to give up driving for the sake of £3-400 over 5 years (possibly more if you’re agency as you’re losing work, but still, not mega amounts) then they must have been considering leaving anyway, DCPC was just an excuse.
Baggie:
Saw a billboard in a layby just south of Roade in Northants.First one I’ve seen in that particular layby in 6 years !
Advance agency in Northampton offering potential earnings of £850 a week
Now,I know that agencies are prone to a teensy weensy bit of exaggeration on occasion…but it seems that things are looking up somewhat
You can easily top kine £850 with agencies in Lincolnshire if you work the right days and get the hours.
I don’t think that’s unreasonable, I think some employers might start offering it too soon.
Baggie, I worked for Advance in Northampton two years ago and I was taking home 700 a week then, I was doing thur to mon/tue. good clean work
Sapper
Winseer:
Contraflow:
BillyHunt:
In my opinion it’s one of the best things to happen to this industry in years, not the way it’s run, it should be a lot harder to pass, but for the effect of getting rid of the dross…+1
I thought that was what I was aruging, and you were arguing against me on■■?
Not really, you think it should be harder for “Johnny foreigner” so it’ favours british drivers, I think it should be harder so that drivers, from anywhere, have to prove they know what they are doing. There is a difference.
seth 70:
this dessypete must be well into his 60,s to think like that,im 43 and dont think having that way of thinking will help me one bit
It didn’t help that generation either, they stuck together no more than us. and we are a similar vintage
michael.d.s.:
Desypete, I understand what you are saying but it would never be possible in this country, you can’t even rely on the people that work in the same yard as you sticking beside you, let alone the whole country.
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Makes Me chuckle a bit, it seems that if your not about ready to retire, then your part off the problem because you cant be trusted to stick together and take action, however futile. Yet the last national lorry drivers strike was I believe in 1979, and that was a roaring success when it came to driver unity, not 
, and those who took part must be at least 56 now. So much for the older generations being more unified.
A lot of people never paid a penny for their card infact they got paid to attend the course with the promise of an extra 50p an hour for their troubles so you rule them out right away
That’s Me, why would you refuse to attend, when you are being paid a full day to be there, and the coarse is paid for too.
Though no pay rise was mentioned at the time, indeed they have delivered what is a reasonable deal, I just don’t understand the gripping
alcraw62:
john-sussex:
Makes me smile all this chat about money going up, Down here in the south there is no sign of wage increases nor of drivers shortages, you will struggle to get more than £8 hr for class one work, so it is not country wide by any means…Same around here (south and west of Glasgow). Does seem to be a bit more work around though, so maybe need to give it time.
Same in Norfolk, which is why I’ve been working in Felixstowe and now Peterborough for the last 10 years. If your a tramper just travel a bit to get better wages, 80 mile commute on a Monday morning return Friday or Saturday, makes sense to Me, not so easy on day work granted
From what I understood, the Unions were complicit in the Lorry drivers strike not being 100% solid, though I stand to be corrected, some firms who already had T & C 's in line with what was being asked for, were able to keep working without inconvenience, and obviously some drivers were not going to take part, as happens with this sort off thing. Though that was along time ago, some on here will have been apart off it, and some will have refused to take part in it, which would be no different today.
Lorry driving is an individual occupation, any wonder there isn’t unity
NewLad:
Just seen an advert for Transline Group offering £210 - £240 a day!Is the money going bonkers or what?
I’ve also seen an advert for ‘Treasure’ in Grantham offering £160 a day Monday - Friday and £240 on a Sunday!!!
£210 is not crazy. We get roughly £200 if we start at 10 and do a 15 but we’re only on £10 an hour topped up by £2 after 6pm and time and half after 8 hours. Hardly top dollar really.
Drift:
Seems to me some people can afford to retire a bit early or have another careerer to fall back on to pay the bills.
Makes it easier to lambaste other drivers who need to earn money and work for smaller non unionised firms with no protection.
^This. However ■■■■■■ off some drivers might have been at having to dig into their own pockets and/or free time to get the CPC card (which many didn’t), the option of walking away from their profession in protest simply was not an option.
Get another job with a lorry drivers take home pay where?
Re-train with what money?
It’s not that simple for most. Plus we all know there are plenty of guys driving trucks who, to be frank, wouldn’t have a cat in hells chance of being good enough to earn £500 a week anywhere else for as little effort, so they were never going to go anywhere.
so if drivers didnt do the CPC and put themselves out of work, they have no guts…IF we had all been united in a union, i am sure many more would have joined your protest, the majority of us were against this load of rubbish, that taught most of us nothing, but most of us wanted to continue driving, and bringing home a wage every week, and yes most of us have bills to pay, some have young families and mortgages, and yes i could have afforded not to work but to come out in protes as i did in the past. Another way to protest would probably be to deny being a holder of a cpc card and see what happens, but then again it would probably defeat theb object…please post again when you have managed to convince every driver to join a real transport union, and then maybe they will join action to improve our industry.
desypete:
as many know i was one of the drivers who refused to get a cpc card and gave up with driving like a lot of other guys who had the guts to make a stand
Commonly known as backwards thinking knuckle draggers who want to continue to exist in the 1970’s looking through rose tinted glasses thinking that companies running wrecks for motors and having you charging around like an idiot doing 20hrs a day, 7 days a week was some kind of golden age of haulage.
You carry on like a neanderthal mate. I’m quite sure your next boss will love someone who’ll work twice the hours everyone else does in some crap hole just to earn the same money. The rest of us who are prepared to move with progress will just rake in the money making what you earn look like a right joke.
desypete:
the money is going up all over the place
as many know i was one of the drivers who refused to get a cpc card and gave up with driving like a lot of other guys who had the guts to make a standfor all those drivers who went ahead and got there cpc card you dont deserve a single penny of any increase in pay as you had no balls to hold this country to book
You didn’t “make a stand”, you just didn’t see the effect that the DCPC would have, and after a lifetime of working for peanuts, you’ve got out at the very moment all of that changed. All you have done is shot yourself in the foot.
Once upon a time, you didn’t need an HGV licence to drive a lorry, and then you did. Again, refusing to get an HGV licence at the time simply meant you couldn’t drive a lorry any more, there would have been no moral victory in refusing to accept that the rules were changing.
truckyboy:
so if drivers didnt do the CPC and put themselves out of work, they have no guts…IF we had all been united in a union, i am sure many more would have joined your protest, the majority of us were against this load of rubbish, that taught most of us nothing, but most of us wanted to continue driving, and bringing home a wage every week, and yes most of us have bills to pay, some have young families and mortgages, and yes i could have afforded not to work but to come out in protes as i did in the past. Another way to protest would probably be to deny being a holder of a cpc card and see what happens, but then again it would probably defeat theb object…please post again when you have managed to convince every driver to join a real transport union, and then maybe they will join action to improve our industry.
Intresting, but you miss one key point, transport unions, at least URTU, and I assume Unite would be the same, are totally 100% in support of the DCPC. So were do you go for your united front off Union Members ?
Though I couldn’t really afford a long period off Industrial action, It hasn’t stopped Me from taking part in the past, but to be honest, the DCPC is not a big enough issue for me to turn my families well being on its head, and has it happens, my wages have now improved as a direct result off the DCPC.
Make off that what you will
