Winseer:
I don’t use these damned “part time hard shoulders” at all.
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As far as I know, sitting in lane two on the limiter is not considered “lane hogging”.
Yes it is. The most basic rule of the road we have, and from which most other rules are built, is ‘Keep Left’. That’s a running lane on your left if the signs are illuminated saying it is live so by not using it, when it’s clear to do so, you are indeed as much a lane hog as the guy sitting at 50mph in Lane 2 of a 3 lane motorway.
What do you do in roadworks were the lanes are all shifted left and lane 1 is using the hard shoulder? Do you stay in the old lane 1, now lane 2, as it’s the same situation? Are you trundling through the roadworks in the middle lane preventing people using lane 2 correctly for overtaking?
Winseer:
I don’t use these damned “part time hard shoulders” at all.
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As far as I know, sitting in lane two on the limiter is not considered “lane hogging”.
It is by me.
And me.
When they first started this, I thought it was a bit mad, but it does seem to work on the whole, OK you get a few isolated cases like this one, but nothing in life is 100% efficient all of the time.
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I’ve driven all the sections of managed motorways, and the seem fairly successful.
Indeed, same here and I was using them long before we had them here.
I think this is just more evidence that our continental cousins over on the mainland are far better drivers than the average British driver. They’ve had this sort of arrangement for years and manage to use it correctly but the inability of the average British driver to deal with the situation is embarrassing.
Winseer:
I don’t use these damned “part time hard shoulders” at all.
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As far as I know, sitting in lane two on the limiter is not considered “lane hogging”.
Winseer:
I don’t use these damned “part time hard shoulders” at all.
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As far as I know, sitting in lane two on the limiter is not considered “lane hogging”.
That must of been you who I passed on the inside on the hard shoulder yesterday afternoon Eastbound on the M62 then, one of a pair of muppet truck drivers hogging lane 1 when the hard shoulder was clear, its not as if I could have used lane 2 to pass them because that had cars in matching the speed of the trucks.
If the hard shoulder is clear - why tf is it signed “congestion - use hard shoulder” I’m thinking.
The whole system is just a dangerous piece of bull that puts lives at risk should anyone actually break down in lane 1, and need to use it as a hard shoulder should be used.
…All because our stinking government doesn’t want to spend money in ways that actually save lives rather than cost them in lieu of public funding…
I have not been on the M62 for 4 years btw… If I was flat out in lane 2, then overtake me in lane 3 or 4 like a sensible person should. The hard shoulder isn’t good enough for me to use as a lane one, so why the hell does anyone think it’s a damned overtaking lane? Johnny foreigner I can understand, but the rest of us home growns have NO excuses.
I was caught up in the M25 accident 2 weeks back - and that was about a car pulling out of a rather small “pull in” that’s supposed to serve as a hard shoulder. No lane to accelerate in, just pull straight into live lane 1 with two artics abreast right on top of the car that pulled out… Ever wondered why the most dangerous roads in the UK are the A-road dual carriageways rather than the motorways? - It all comes down to the same thing. Nowhere to go in an emergency…
Winseer:
I don’t use these damned “part time hard shoulders” at all.
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As far as I know, sitting in lane two on the limiter is not considered “lane hogging”.
That must of been you who I passed on the inside on the hard shoulder yesterday afternoon Eastbound on the M62 then, one of a pair of muppet truck drivers hogging lane 1 when the hard shoulder was clear, its not as if I could have used lane 2 to pass them because that had cars in matching the speed of the trucks.
If the hard shoulder is clear - why tf is it signed “congestion - use hard shoulder” I’m thinking.
The whole system is just a dangerous piece of bull that puts lives at risk should anyone actually break down in lane 1, and need to use it as a hard shoulder should be used.
…All because our stinking government doesn’t want to spend money in ways that actually save lives rather than cost them in lieu of public funding…
I have not been on the M62 for 4 years btw… If I was flat out in lane 2, then overtake me in lane 3 or 4 like a sensible person should. The hard shoulder isn’t good enough for me to use as a lane one, so why the hell does anyone think it’s a damned overtaking lane? Johnny foreigner I can understand, but the rest of us home growns have NO excuses.
I was caught up in the M25 accident 2 weeks back - and that was about a car pulling out of a rather small “pull in” that’s supposed to serve as a hard shoulder. No lane to accelerate in, just pull straight into live lane 1 with two artics abreast right on top of the car that pulled out… Ever wondered why the most dangerous roads in the UK are the A-road dual carriageways rather than the motorways? - It all comes down to the same thing. Nowhere to go in an emergency…
These managed motorways are no more unsafe than any other road, its only other road users that are unsafe, wether its truck, bike or car user, what ive seen of them, managed motorways work well especially the M62 section near Leeds, even the section of M6 at birmingham seemed to work ok last time i was down that way.
If the hard shoulder isnt good enough for you you must be one of them that hogs lane 2 on a dual carraigeway as well, or is it not good enough for you because you have problems staying off the grass verge??
The higher accident rate on a & b roads may have more to do with roundabouts, trafficlights tjunctions cyclist ect ect.
Why would I pull out to lane three to get by you just to come back to lane one h&s? That would be three lanes of traffic to negotiate twice for no other reason than you chose to apply different rules.
Winseer:
I don’t use these damned “part time hard shoulders” at all.
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As far as I know, sitting in lane two on the limiter is not considered “lane hogging”.
That must of been you who I passed on the inside on the hard shoulder yesterday afternoon Eastbound on the M62 then, one of a pair of muppet truck drivers hogging lane 1 when the hard shoulder was clear, its not as if I could have used lane 2 to pass them because that had cars in matching the speed of the trucks.
If the hard shoulder is clear - why tf is it signed “congestion - use hard shoulder”
If it’s now running clear it proves that making the hard shoulder a live lane is working and the traffic is flowing more freely as a result. It is still being used as a live lane because the traffic volumes dictate if it is removed the congestion will reoccur.
I’m one of the few that use the hard shoulder when the MM is switched on, this usually means I have the lane all to myself and apart from a bit of changing lane shenanigans towards the end I find it no problem at all. Course my eyes are on stalks as I expect one day to come across either debris or a stranded vehicle.
Also I do tend to hang back a bit when those trucks who are scared to use the hard shoulder / change lanes are hogging lane 1 (numpties), unless they play the wandering game in an attempt to scare me into holding back then I’m sooo up their inside.
I also find if I have moved over to early that I have no issues with other vehicles coming up my inside, my masculinity remains intact and I just carry on regardless.
In all my 50+ years of driving all sorts of vehicles, I’ve never seen a road jump up and hit anybody.
There is no such thing as an unsafe or dangerous road.
However, there are unsafe or dangerous drivers.
Winseer:
I don’t use these damned “part time hard shoulders” at all.
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As far as I know, sitting in lane two on the limiter is not considered “lane hogging”.
That must of been you who I passed on the inside on the hard shoulder yesterday afternoon Eastbound on the M62 then, one of a pair of muppet truck drivers hogging lane 1 when the hard shoulder was clear, its not as if I could have used lane 2 to pass them because that had cars in matching the speed of the trucks.
If the hard shoulder is clear - why tf is it signed “congestion - use hard shoulder”
If it’s now running clear it proves that making the hard shoulder a live lane is working and the traffic is flowing more freely as a result. It is still being used as a live lane because the traffic volumes dictate if it is removed the congestion will reoccur.
Yeh exactly, I would have thought that was obvious. The only reason for the system not to work, and actually creating more congestion is bad lane discipline.
As somebody said, the basic rule of UK driving is KEEP LEFT, but you even get HGVs hogging the middle lane of a standard m.way nowadays, something that once over you never saw, so these guys have no chance of driving correctly on a mm.way.
I use the hard shoulder when it’s a live lane , but you get people who stay in lane 1 (now 2) who can’t drive properly and think you are being a bellend “undertaking” them so when you indicate to get back over when the H/S bares off they block you in ?
I had this on the M1 southbound last week, everything was moving fine at the correct speed/distances then all of a sudden lane one(hard shoulder) and lane’s two and three all started swerving as a car had literally just broken down in lane one, those layby things are ok if you manage to judge your breakdown in line with them
Dipper_Dave:
Also I do tend to hang back a bit when those trucks who are scared to use the hard shoulder / change lanes are hogging lane 1 (numpties), unless they play the wandering game in an attempt to scare me into holding back then I’m sooo up their inside.
Smoggie89:
I use the hard shoulder when it’s a live lane , but you get people who stay in lane 1 (now 2) who can’t drive properly and think you are being a bellend “undertaking” them so when you indicate to get back over when the H/S bares off they block you in ?
Thats just the way alot of lorry drivers are these days, no consideration or respect for other lorry drivers, thats not aimed at you passing on the inside, I seem to do alot of that my self through road works and the hardshoulder live lanes, its called making progress.
I narrowly missed a car broken down on the hard shoulder near Luton on the M1 when it was being used as a lane. That section (from Toddington to Luton airport) has sharp bends for a motorway so you won’t see any stationary vehicles until you’re quite near. If they use the hard shoulder as lane 1, they should drop the speed limit to 50mph.
bazstan009:
The higher accident rate on a & b roads may have more to do with roundabouts, trafficlights tjunctions cyclist ect ect.
A-Road dual carriageways typically have sharper bends than motorways (except for the outer-urban stretches like the M1 at Luton that are typically turned into “smart” motorways), as well as narrower and fewer lanes. They also rapidly turn from semi-motorways to narrow suburban roads in a short space of time, as well as poor quality junctions (like Newark and around Stamford on the A1). Add cars going at 70mph and trucks restricted to 50 and you’ve got an easy recipe for an accident.
IndigoJo:
If they use the hard shoulder as lane 1, they should drop the speed limit to 50mph.
The speed limit is always reduced before the HS is opened up to traffic anyway.
If thoses that don’t think using the HS is a good idea then stick to lane 1. It keeps the HS nice and clear for me to keep my foot in.
IndigoJo:
I narrowly missed a car broken down on the hard shoulder near Luton on the M1 when it was being used as a lane. That section (from Toddington to Luton airport) has sharp bends for a motorway so you won’t see any stationary vehicles until you’re quite near. If they use the hard shoulder as lane 1, they should drop the speed limit to 50mph.
They do drop the speed limit when the hard should is turned into an active lane. I use the bit from j11-10 most days and a sign the H/S will be active is the speed reduction sign being on as you come up the slip road to join at 11.
Dipper_Dave:
Also I do tend to hang back a bit when those trucks who are scared to use the hard shoulder / change lanes are hogging lane 1 (numpties), unless they play the wandering game in an attempt to scare me into holding back then I’m sooo up their inside.
