I commute on the M6 out of Birmingham and have seen about a dozen instances over the years of obstructions on a running hard shoulder, but this morning was pretty scary. I joined southbound at J5 and all lanes were showing 60 limit, traffic flowing at around that speed. Moved into lane 1, catching a tipper, he indicated left and was half way on the hard shoulder when he suddenly swerved back out. A moment later we passed two cars stuck on the hard shoulder, drivers standing there. Wonder if they were aware how close they were to being wiped out.
That sort of thing can happen anywhere, you can’t blame the "mis"managed motorway.
weeto:
That sort of thing can happen anywhere, you can’t blame the "mis"managed motorway.
Hmmm.
yes you can…hard shoulders are for breaking down on…NOT driving on…just a cheapjack way of widening a motorway
weeto:
That sort of thing can happen anywhere, you can’t blame the "mis"managed motorway.
True, but I wonder whether they really monitor the cameras properly, they’re supposed to cover every section. You’d expect the lane to be closed pdq. Is it just chance that I happen to witness so many occurences?
xamtex:
yes you can…hard shoulders are for breaking down on…NOT driving on…just a cheapjack way of widening a motorway
+1
exit:
Moved into lane 1, catching a tipper, he indicated left and was half way on the hard shoulder when he suddenly swerved back out. A moment later we passed two cars stuck on the hard shoulder, drivers standing there. Wonder if they were aware how close they were to being wiped out.
So did they stop and jump out quick ? Or did Tipperboy just look up from his phone long enough to spot them before changing lane ?
No excuses for hitting a stationary vehicle ■■
xamtex:
yes you can…hard shoulders are for breaking down on…NOT driving on…just a cheapjack way of widening a motorway
Why don’t dual carriageways have hard shoulders ■■
So, when it says overhead “Congestion use hard shoulder” what do you who stay in lane 2 think it means? I’ve lost count of the number of times a hero sits in the 2nd lane and is undertaken by dozens of vehicles correctly following the overhead signs. Are they wrong to be on the shoulder/live lane?
Exactly. Don’t drive with eyes closed or up ■■■ of the vehicle in front and you won’t hit anything no matter what lane you are in.
There is mile after mile of fast moving d/c with I suspect the same per mile rate of b/downs, no excuse for poor observation.
I don’t use these damned “part time hard shoulders” at all.
As far as I know, sitting in lane two on the limiter is not considered “lane hogging”.
Born Idle:
So, when it says overhead “Congestion use hard shoulder” what do you who stay in lane 2 think it means? I’ve lost count of the number of times a hero sits in the 2nd lane and is undertaken by dozens of vehicles correctly following the overhead signs. Are they wrong to be on the shoulder/live lane?
Yeh. It’s good that people feel the need to use the non-hard shoulder for however long it’s going to be to overtake…
Why don’t they use lane 3 or 4 FFS. 
Winseer:
I don’t use these damned “part time hard shoulders” at all.
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As far as I know, sitting in lane two on the limiter is not considered “lane hogging”.
It is by me.
speedyguy:
Why don’t dual carriageways have hard shoulders ■■
Because they don’t play ‘Girly Armoured Up’ American Football ■■?
xamtex:
yes you can…hard shoulders are for breaking down on…NOT driving on…just a cheapjack way of widening a motorway
Exactly!
Unfortunately it’s not always possible to break down in one of those lay byes, and it wont be until someone is wiped out when broken down in between lay byes that there will be questions asked.
Also, it’s not really sensible when every exit slip you approach the overheads tell you the hard shoulder is only for the next exit and you have to slip into lane 1.
My motto: if you can keep the speed limit, stay in lane 1 or overtake in lane 2!
Because drivers never break down in lanes 2,3&4 
Best way to not hit a stationary object in any lane. Do not drive like a ■■■■■ Keep your eyes open.
Winseer:
I don’t use these damned “part time hard shoulders” at all.
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As far as I know, sitting in lane two on the limiter is not considered “lane hogging”.
That must of been you who I passed on the inside on the hard shoulder yesterday afternoon Eastbound on the M62 then, one of a pair of muppet truck drivers hogging lane 1 when the hard shoulder was clear, its not as if I could have used lane 2 to pass them because that had cars in matching the speed of the trucks.
bazstan009:
Winseer:
I don’t use these damned “part time hard shoulders” at all.
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As far as I know, sitting in lane two on the limiter is not considered “lane hogging”.It is by me.
And me.
When they first started this, I thought it was a bit mad, but it does seem to work on the whole, OK you get a few isolated cases like this one, but nothing in life is 100% efficient all of the time.
weeto:
Winseer:
I don’t use these damned “part time hard shoulders” at all.
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As far as I know, sitting in lane two on the limiter is not considered “lane hogging”.That must of been you who I passed on the inside on the hard shoulder yesterday afternoon Eastbound on the M62 then, one of a pair of muppet truck drivers hogging lane 1 when the hard shoulder was clear, its not as if I could have used lane 2 to pass them because that had cars in matching the speed of the trucks.
+1
robroy:
bazstan009:
Winseer:
I don’t use these damned “part time hard shoulders” at all.
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As far as I know, sitting in lane two on the limiter is not considered “lane hogging”.It is by me.
And me.
When they first started this, I thought it was a bit mad, but it does seem to work on the whole, OK you get a few isolated cases like this one, but nothing in life is 100% efficient all of the time.
+1
I’ve driven all the sections of managed motorways, and the seem fairly successful.