Cant believe thread has lasted so long is there that many worrying about something that don’t matter or who really cares
Has the world of trucking gone that bad that we now have people with girls brains driving trucks who worry about crap that doesn’t matter
It’s really unbelievable who gives a crap about a minute and you turned it into a story
Girls the whole lot of you nothing professional about you
I dont worry about infringements, I’ll tell you why. Because I can tell if I’m not going to make my trip in time. And then I stop at a place convenient to me and have a break. When I get hauled into the office to explain why I was late I tell them straight. Traffic/road closure/miscellaneous delays used up too much of my time and I had to reset my tacho. And do you know what my boss says? Nothing. He just goes back to tapping away at his computer.
Some of my colleagues take the ■■■■ out of me doing this, but for all their working through breaks, driving like idiots, stressing out when their clock hits 4:29 etc. None of them have their pictures on the office wall of fame.
We seem to have a generation of drivers who are so terrified of their bosses that they’re prepared to risk breaking the law to get the job done. But then they’re terrified of doing that too.
The irony is, I really want to call them all a set of ■■■■■■■ fairies! 
Me, calling someone else a ■■■■■■■ fairy!!
Nite Owl:
Some of my colleagues take the ■■■■ out of me doing this, but for all their working through breaks, driving like idiots, stressing out when their clock hits 4:29 etc. None of them have their pictures on the office wall of fame.We seem to have a generation of drivers who are so terrified of their bosses that they’re prepared to risk breaking the law to get the job done. But then they’re terrified of doing that too.
We all have these deluded ■■■■ knob head heroes to put up with on every firm mate, not just yours.
They’ll complain about how much they are told to do, and complain to anybody unfortunate enough to have to listen, but not to the guy who has set them the schedule…instead they try (and mostly succeed to achieve it 
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Despite what our mate on here finds so hard to grasp , I do try and keep my card right.
The only time I will go over that minute or two (or 5 
) is when an unforseen happens and I’m determined to find somewhere to park instead of a ■■■■ lay by…do I give a toss?
No, (but then again I ain’t a professional apparently. 
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As for doing it to get a drop off, get back to the yard, meet a book in time, or anything work related?..not a chance in hell.
Who’s the one now holding onto it like a terrier Robroy? I was respecting your request to let it go. Always need the last word don’t you
I find nothing hard to grasp rob. It’s you who finds it hard to grasp that it’s not good advice to a newbie that going over time is trivial and not to bother about it
Rowley010:
Always need the last word don’t you
Yep 
I remember a woman posting for advice on here ages ago. Her hubby was in front of the TC for going 2 mins over, on private land too I think.
It was suspected that they were actually after the bosses, but he was still going to get shafted it appeared.
My last infringement (August) disappeared from my card the other day. Felt good.
Tailschwing:
I remember a woman posting for advice on here ages ago. Her hubby was in front of the TC for going 2 mins over, on private land too I think.It was suspected that they were actually after the bosses, but he was still going to get shafted it appeared.
Private land is irrelevant unless 100% of your driving is on private land such as a shunter in which case it’s out of scope. Other than that driving is driving whether on public or private land.
Having dealt with the DVSA i find some of the comments here terrible.Once in a blue moon means its not a regular thing.Why do you think they put the printout option.It is for such things.We did not say he should do it every week or month.Why worry to much about the job.How many here have been visited by the boss when sick.
WheelsofCardiff:
Having dealt with the DVSA i find some of the comments here terrible.Once in a blue moon means its not a regular thing.Why do you think they put the printout option.It is for such things.We did not say he should do it every week or month.Why worry to much about the job.How many here have been visited by the boss when sick.
Once in a blue moon yes no problem I completely agree. But the attitude on here from some is that 1 or 2 minutes is just trivial. If you see it as trivial then chances are your going to do it a lot more than once in a blue moon, which is why I keep hammering the point that this is poor advice to someone just starting. If your just starting you shouldn’t see it as trivial. Once in a blue moon will happen as were all human.
WheelsofCardiff:
Having dealt with the DVSA i find some of the comments here terrible.Once in a blue moon means its not a regular thing.Why do you think they put the printout option.It is for such things.We did not say he should do it every week or month.Why worry to much about the job.How many here have been visited by the boss when sick.
Well you know I’m gonna agree with you. 
Like you I have had (too ) much experience with DVSA.
Like you say, too many drivers are brainwashed, and ■■■■■■■■ their kecks over stuff that simply does not matter.
‘‘Ooh dear,.what am I to do, I’m over my time, the worlds gonna end’’… I mean…ffs.
They think there is an absolute zero tolerance policy,.and the wrath of hell is going to come down around their lugs,.and they eventually end up heart attack material with all the needless panicking.
Again, like you say …That is what printouts are for. 
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VOSA don’t own you just because you have a licence! …and unless you’re a habitual ‘‘could not give a ■■■■’’ type of offender, or deliberate fiddle merchant they ain’t interested, but if you are you deserve all you get imo.
Any new drivers reading this,… You decide who is right and who is wrong, I only speak from my experience, but my advice would be, try and keep within the rules as much as you can to cover your arse, but the world for you aint gonna end if you inadvertently ■■■■ up, or if you go over time for a genuine reason… and record the fact why…despite whatever anybody else with less experience of it all may tell you.
So keep things real, and in perspective.
If there is a consistent record of going over driving time, even within the tolerance allowed occasionally, the DVSA policy is prosecution. They can and probably will look at information older than 28 days in this case.
As we say north of the border, many a mickle macks a muckle.
What you mean I can sit in a layby and get paid for it? Aye son, Tachograph rules.
It is a bit alarming that we get chased so much for WTD infringements, when (1) They are barely enforced by plod already, and (2) surely at least the WTD aspects of driver regulations - will be the ones to be dropped, once we’ve completed Brexit?
I can’t see the 5 year DCPC going anywhere meanwhile, nor the 4.5hrs driving rules, and other more “serious” stuff…
WTD though■■? FFS what was the hardline enforcement of this crap all about in the FIRST place? Being forced to take breaks when it is likely to be rather inconveneient at best?
“The Sabbath was made for Man - Not Man for the Sabbath”
J.Christ, AD 30
Winseer:
It is a bit alarming that we get chased so much for WTD infringements, when (1) They are barely enforced by plod already, and (2) surely at least the WTD aspects of driver regulations - will be the ones to be dropped, once we’ve completed Brexit?I can’t see the 5 year DCPC going anywhere meanwhile, nor the 4.5hrs driving rules, and other more “serious” stuff…
WTD though■■? FFS what was the hardline enforcement of this crap all about in the FIRST place? Being forced to take breaks when it is likely to be rather inconveneient at best?
“The Sabbath was made for Man - Not Man for the Sabbath”
J.Christ, AD 30
I can’t see Brexit changing anything for us in terms of drivers hours, as for WTD, it is just something put out there to make it look like we work reasonable hours, we all know we don’t, so therefore it ain’t real, it’s window dressing, or a smoke screen facility, which is why it is never regulated or ‘policed’, in simple terms …it’s pure ■■■■■■■■ and bs.
The whole cluster ■■■■ of drivers hours rules, all need simplified, (with wage structures pertaining, adjusted accordingly) where some no longer have to work ridiculous hours to earn a decent top line.
I’d like it to go back to 12 and a half hour spreadover (which worked fine) with maybe a 14 hour facility once a week, which could be used as a ‘get home’ facility.
Minimum rest 10 to 11 hours, (it seems h&s only applies in this job when it suits ‘them’, driver welfare does not come into it.)
No doubt the tear arsing heroes habitually burning themselves out week to week working every hour, possible thinking they are on good money in their blissful ignorance, will disagree , thinking an easier system with better pay terms ain’t for them…, but hey ho you can’t educate pork.
robroy:
Winseer:
It is a bit alarming that we get chased so much for WTD infringements, when (1) They are barely enforced by plod already, and (2) surely at least the WTD aspects of driver regulations - will be the ones to be dropped, once we’ve completed Brexit?I can’t see the 5 year DCPC going anywhere meanwhile, nor the 4.5hrs driving rules, and other more “serious” stuff…
WTD though■■? FFS what was the hardline enforcement of this crap all about in the FIRST place? Being forced to take breaks when it is likely to be rather inconveneient at best?
“The Sabbath was made for Man - Not Man for the Sabbath”
J.Christ, AD 30I can’t see Brexit changing anything for us in terms of drivers hours, as for WTD, it is just something put out there to make it look like we work reasonable hours, we all know we don’t, so therefore it ain’t real, it’s window dressing, or a smoke screen facility, which is why it is never regulated or ‘policed’, in simple terms …it’s pure ■■■■■■■■ and bs.
The whole cluster [zb] of drivers hours rules, all need simplified, (with wage structures pertaining, adjusted accordingly) where some no longer have to work ridiculous hours to earn a decent top line.
I’d like it to go back to 12 and a half hour spreadover (which worked fine) with maybe a 14 hour facility once a week, which could be used as a ‘get home’ facility.
Minimum rest 10 to 11 hours, (it seems h&s only applies in this job when it suits ‘them’, driver welfare does not come into it.)No doubt the tear arsing heroes habitually burning themselves out week to week working every hour, possible thinking they are on good money in their blissful ignorance, will disagree
You’re right Brexit won’t make much difference to our hours. Other countries may enforce the WTD apparently, but our heroic Government decided not to enforce those nasty laws designed to stop us working excessive hours. And now we can escape the tyranny of bosses being told not to exploit the workers. Hooray!
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Franglais:
You’re right Brexit won’t make much difference to our hours. Other countries may enforce the WTD apparently, but our heroic Government decided not to enforce those nasty laws designed to stop us working excessive hours. And now we can escape the tyranny of bosses being told not to exploit the workers. Hooray!
There is no medical cure for stupidity unfortunately, a condition which is rife among many truckers.
So this will be continued to be exploited by whatever Government is in power.
How many (on here for example) will continue to vote with their feet to continue working 70+ hours, every week, and want minimal 9 hour rests between 15 hour shifts to be normal in their weeks shifts…Instead of backing moves to reduce hours with adjusted accordinglly pay structures, which would mean we could finally work under Century 21 terms and conditions.
As for some bosses, they don’t need anyone to tell them to exploit, that is for sure, they are also taking advantage of the guys in the job I mentioned.
I’ve never understood that mentality. I’ve never found any other industry where people are falling over themselves to work even more hours just to bring home a wage little better than the national average everyone else is doing 20-30hrs a week less to earn. We can already legally work 15hrs a day and 84hrs a week yet it appears some aren’t satisfied with that and want to do more. 
Conor:
I’ve never understood that mentality. I’ve never found any other industry where people are falling over themselves to work even more hours just to bring home a wage little better than the national average everyone else is doing 20-30hrs a week less to earn. We can already legally work 15hrs a day and 84hrs a week yet it appears some aren’t satisfied with that and want to do more.
Like I said…no medical cure for stupidity.
You hear them saying things like…
‘‘I’ve only got one 15 left’’…
‘‘Left’’ ? Wtf is that all about?..it ain’t compulsory to do 3×15s, but I’m genuinely convinced, some actually think it is.
Then we get the…
‘‘That’s the 11s (daily rest) got in’’, or ‘‘Out of the way’’
Every limit to the hours rules is a target to these guys.
You could understand it if they were on 40hrs then overtime rate, ok fill yer boots, but most are on same rate right through, …but you still hear them saying they’re on ‘‘Good money’’ .
It would be funny if it wasn’t both tragic, and one of the reasons why the pay rate and structure is crap in general.
WTD being enforced - doesn’t prevent us all from working stupid hours - BUT it forces us to consider taking a break “or else be in the crapper” at inconvenient times…
What happens if you “take that break before 6 hours into your duty or be in trouble” - when it means things like:
(1) Missing that ferry
(2) Not getting through a toll whilst it’s free
(3) Not getting back before 15 hours
(4) Not getting back in time Friday to avoid taking an entire weekend out
(5) Miss window for delivery/collection times
…not to mention IT IS A PAIN IN THE ARSE!
I have already seen fellow agency drivers “being let go” because they had “three wtd infringements in as many months”.
Meanwhile, elsewhere in the “industry” - we’ve got agencies begging 6-9points-on-licence no-hopers being pressed into service with all the emphasis being on “paperwork correct” rather than “driving without actual incidents”… FFS you couldn’t make it up!!
Even at places like RM where they pay top dollar - they’d rather have someone who drives like a nutter - but gets no minor infringements - than someone like me with a clean licence but “goes off-route whenever it suits them”, and sees 318’s as “flexible” much to the annoyance of the Union, who ultimately made sure the door got shut firmly behind me when I left…