robroy:
Rowley010:
Don’t listen to anyone here, apart from what I say now. .
bobbya:
robroy:
Rowley010:
Don’t listen to anyone here, apart from what I say now. .
Yeh, I meant that also but I was being polite.
Apparently according to our mate, in order to be professional you need to panic over going over a minute on your tacho, and that means you ‘take a pride in your work’ 
The fact that you could become a bit neurotic worrying over such trivialities, and it’s going to raise your blood pressure, and stress levels unnecessarily (maybe eventually even leading to a heart attack) is a mere inconvenience.
Hmmm I must have been doing this job wrong all these years (despite numerous pulls but zero convictions)…
Note to self, take his advice…start worrying. (Not )
Then he goes on to agree what most of us have said anyway…ie blatant ■■■■ taking, instead of the odd misdemeanor or genuine valid reason for going over will maybe lead to a conviction…Yeh we know that.
So take heed SJB…‘‘Listen to nobody else’’ except what Rowley sez.
robroy:
bobbya:
robroy:
Rowley010:
Don’t listen to anyone here, apart from what I say now. .
Yeh, I meant that also but I was being polite.
Apparently according to our mate, in order to be professional you need to panic over going over a minute on your tacho, and that means you ‘take a pride in your work’
The fact that you could become a bit neurotic worrying over such trivialities, and it’s going to raise your blood pressure, and stress levels unnecessarily (maybe eventually even leading to a heart attack) is a mere inconvenience.
Hmmm I must have been doing this job wrong all these years (despite numerous pulls but zero convictions)…
Note to self, take his advice…start worrying. (Not
Then he goes on to agree what most of us have said anyway…ie blatant ■■■■ taking, instead of the odd misdemeanor or genuine valid reason for going over will maybe lead to a conviction…Yeh we know that.So take heed SJB…‘‘Listen to nobody else’’ except what Rowley sez.
I think the DVSA have a lot more to concern themselves about than the odd infringement, they’re pretty fair tbh,they’re onlyafter the real pi#@takers.
^^^^^^^^^
Exactly. 
When I was on foreign regd trucks I was pulled most weeks (ooh matron 
) they were only interested if I had a magnet, (didn’t btw) was a regular ■■■■ taker (I wasn’t) or if my cards were basically right (they always were) the odd minute (or sometimes more) over they found on my cards every now and again was not even mentioned.
They know the genuine mistakes and good reasons for going over, from the blatant law breakers and those who are trying to hide something.
So as I’ve said, no reason to get stressed out and panic over the odd minute or two.
Nite Owl:
Franglais:
It appears to me, the OP arrived at his tip on 4-29 after encountering a weight limit. Since in London nowhere to park.
Seems we could all be wise after the event.
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And what use is just taking a 30min break?
If you know the OP had already had a 15, you know more than me*.*more than possible of course
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The op put a picture up that showed 3 minutes current break and 18 minutes total break, meaning they’d already taken a 15.
Fair cop, mate.
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Franglais:
Nite Owl:
Franglais:
It appears to me, the OP arrived at his tip on 4-29 after encountering a weight limit. Since in London nowhere to park.
Seems we could all be wise after the event.
.
And what use is just taking a 30min break?
If you know the OP had already had a 15, you know more than me*.*more than possible of course
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The op put a picture up that showed 3 minutes current break and 18 minutes total break, meaning they’d already taken a 15.
Fair cop, mate.
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Franglais:
Nite Owl:
Franglais:
It appears to me, the OP arrived at his tip on 4-29 after encountering a weight limit. Since in London nowhere to park.
Seems we could all be wise after the event.
.
And what use is just taking a 30min break?
If you know the OP had already had a 15, you know more than me*.*more than possible of course
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The op put a picture up that showed 3 minutes current break and 18 minutes total break, meaning they’d already taken a 15.
Fair cop, mate.
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No worries, enjoy the rest of the weekend.
I remember my uncle going to court in Edinburgh for forgetting to turn the mode switch ,he took a tacho head with him and showed the judge what he was supposed to be guilty of and he got let off ,in school hols I remember every lorry he had first job was to put a tacho switch in ( in the days before the penalty was the same as murder ) the switch had a big T on in tipex and was covered by a bulldog clip with fuel reicepts on ,we would do hours and hours with it off ,he never rushed for anyone as there was no need ,he always got back to load for the next day and never went above 50 mph .
I’ll say it again there’s no need to go over your time by even one minute other than exceptional circumstances. If you do it’s due to poor planning, poor time management, or by pushing it to try and impress your planners or transport manager.
Rowley010:
I’ll say it again there’s no need to go over your time by even one minute other than exceptional circumstances. If you do it’s due to poor planning, poor time management, or by pushing it to try and impress your planners or transport manager.
Ok, but nobody’s disputing that or disputed it on this thread, certainly not me.
It’s your other post where you say everybody else is wrong not to get stressed out over trivialities, otherwise they are not professional that pressed my buttons.
Btw tramping is worlds apart from tight scheduled day work in this context.
robroy:
Rowley010:
I’ll say it again there’s no need to go over your time by even one minute other than exceptional circumstances. If you do it’s due to poor planning, poor time management, or by pushing it to try and impress your planners or transport manager.Ok, but nobody’s disputing that or disputed it on this thread, certainly not me.
It’s your other post where you say everybody else is wrong not to get stressed out over trivialities, otherwise they are not professional that pressed my buttons.Btw tramping is worlds apart from tight scheduled day work in this context.
It’s not trivial though. And if he’s bothered about it it shows he takes pride in his work and is professional towards it. A one off occasion, fine, but if your card shows a load of minor infringements because you think it’s trivial I don’t think DVSA would see it like that if they download your card. Just like strapping loads maybe trivial, ok until DVSA ask you to open the curtains.
: Yeh because going over the odd minute on your card, (let’s just reiterate that …MINUTE,) is every bit as serious as not strapping up an otherwise insecure load.
C’mon mate ffs.
robroy:
:lol: :
C’mon mate ffs.
With some loads that is the case. Pallets of paper cups aren’t going to come shooting through a curtain and kill someone. But DVSA want to see it strapped.
Where do your draw the line? It has been drawn at 4 hours 30 minutes. 1 min over so that’s ok, is 2 mins ok as that’s only 1 minute more than that? Is 3 mins then ok because that’s only 1 min over that? And so on and so on.
I know a few mins isn’t dangerous. But what I’m saying to the op is he’s better bothering about it than listening to you lot and not bothering because if he gets pulled and has a card full of odd minutes over time because he listened to you and thinks it’s just trivial then he’s going to be getting in trouble for it.
You’re talking as if ‘‘Us lot’’ , have said…‘‘Don’t bother about tacho rules, it’s a free for all, and you won’t get nicked for it’’…nobody has said that.
Then you go off on one about insecure loads and strapping.
If you’re going to argue mate at least keep things relevant and in perspective.
Look, if you want to raise your stress levels and panic about minor details , that ain’t worth bothering about, then crack on, I don’t really care …, but just don’t tell me that your way is right and mine ain’t,.
I’ve managed pretty well so far doing things my own way, and have a better quality of life for it, stress related illnesses ain’t my biggest problem in life because of it.
robroy:
You’re talking as if ‘‘Us lot’’
Then you go off on one about insecure loads and strapping.
If you’re going to argue mate at least keep things relevant and in perspective.Look, if you want to raise your stress levels and panic about minor details , that ain’t worth bothering about, then crack on, I don’t really care
I’ve managed pretty well so far doing things my own way, and have a better quality of life for it, stress related illnesses ain’t my biggest problem in life because of it.
Not bothering about the rules is exactly what you are telling the op to do. The rules are 4:30, 9 and 10 hours. Your telling him that the odd minute over those times is just trivial and don’t worry about it. I’m not saying you should worry. But he shouldn’t take your advice and see it as trivial because there are plenty of DVSA officers that will happily hand out a fine for it if there’s no printout and good explanation for it. I hope that relevant enough for you.
Rowley010:
robroy:
You’re talking as if ‘‘Us lot’’
Then you go off on one about insecure loads and strapping.
If you’re going to argue mate at least keep things relevant and in perspective.Look, if you want to raise your stress levels and panic about minor details , that ain’t worth bothering about, then crack on, I don’t really care
I’ve managed pretty well so far doing things my own way, and have a better quality of life for it, stress related illnesses ain’t my biggest problem in life because of it.Not bothering about the rules is exactly what you are telling the op to do. The rules are 4:30, 9 and 10 hours. Your telling him that the odd minute over those times is just trivial and don’t worry about it. I’m not saying you should worry. But he shouldn’t take your advice and see it as trivial because there are plenty of DVSA officers that will happily hand out a fine for it if there’s no printout and good explanation for it. I hope that relevant enough for you.
I think if you check, some of the vocabulary I used included the words, minor infringements and misdemeanors, unforeseens, mistakes, and PRINTOUT (explanations) which pretty much shows what I was getting at, and kinda blows your theory about
‘‘Not bothering about the rules’’.
How many of these ‘‘Plenty DVSA officers’’ have you had dealings with personally exactly, to know so much about it, …because I’ve had more than my fair share in the past, and never found them as pedantic, strict and zero tolerant as you say they are.
They are more interested in the habitual intentional law breakers…which part of that do you not understand exactly??
And I hope that is relevant to you also.
robroy:
Rowley010:
robroy:
You’re talking as if ‘‘Us lot’’
Then you go off on one about insecure loads and strapping.
If you’re going to argue mate at least keep things relevant and in perspective.Look, if you want to raise your stress levels and panic about minor details , that ain’t worth bothering about, then crack on, I don’t really care
I’ve managed pretty well so far doing things my own way, and have a better quality of life for it, stress related illnesses ain’t my biggest problem in life because of it.Not bothering about the rules is exactly what you are telling the op to do. The rules are 4:30, 9 and 10 hours. Your telling him that the odd minute over those times is just trivial and don’t worry about it. I’m not saying you should worry. But he shouldn’t take your advice and see it as trivial because there are plenty of DVSA officers that will happily hand out a fine for it if there’s no printout and good explanation for it. I hope that relevant enough for you.
I think if you check, some of the vocabulary I used included the words, minor infringements and misdemeanors, unforeseens, mistakes, and PRINTOUT (explanations) which pretty much shows what I was getting at, and kinda blows your theory about
‘‘Not bothering about the rules’’.How many of these ‘‘Plenty DVSA officers’’ have you had dealings with personally exactly, to know so much about it, …because I’ve had more than my fair share in the past, and never found them as pedantic, strict and zero tolerant as you say they are.
They are more interested in the habitual intentional law breakers…which part of that do you not understand exactly??And I hope that is relevant to you also.
Hmm that’s a lot of times being pulled up since 2015
And with your vast experience you should know that genuine circumstances that cause you to go over are actually very rare. Yes mistakes and misjudgment happens but you can’t keep on using that as an excuse. If you have load of infringements and you say they all mistakes then you need to review the way you plan your time.
I’d consider you to be habitual and intentional if you keep on and on going over by a few minutes because you think a few minutes is trivial. Exactly what DVSA officers would be interested in, said by robroy December 2019.
Rowley010:
robroy:
Rowley010:
I’ll say it again there’s no need to go over your time by even one minute other than exceptional circumstances. If you do it’s due to poor planning, poor time management, or by pushing it to try and impress your planners or transport manager.Ok, but nobody’s disputing that or disputed it on this thread, certainly not me.
It’s your other post where you say everybody else is wrong not to get stressed out over trivialities, otherwise they are not professional that pressed my buttons.Btw tramping is worlds apart from tight scheduled day work in this context.
It’s not trivial though. And if he’s bothered about it it shows he takes pride in his work and is professional towards it. A one off occasion, fine, but if your card shows a load of minor infringements because you think it’s trivial I don’t think DVSA would see it like that if they download your card. Just like strapping loads maybe trivial, ok until DVSA ask you to open the curtains.
It’s all over the top crap coming from people who should know better
If you are not giving enough time it’s your own fault for doing it and that includes delays where you need to use your brain
Bigtruck3:
Rowley010:
robroy:
Rowley010:
I’ll say it again there’s no need to go over your time by even one minute other than exceptional circumstances. If you do it’s due to poor planning, poor time management, or by pushing it to try and impress your planners or transport manager.Ok, but nobody’s disputing that or disputed it on this thread, certainly not me.
It’s your other post where you say everybody else is wrong not to get stressed out over trivialities, otherwise they are not professional that pressed my buttons.Btw tramping is worlds apart from tight scheduled day work in this context.
It’s not trivial though. And if he’s bothered about it it shows he takes pride in his work and is professional towards it. A one off occasion, fine, but if your card shows a load of minor infringements because you think it’s trivial I don’t think DVSA would see it like that if they download your card. Just like strapping loads maybe trivial, ok until DVSA ask you to open the curtains.
It’s all over the top crap coming from people who should know better
If you are not giving enough time it’s your own fault for doing it and that includes delays where you need to use your brain
All coming from the ex tour driver !!!
Who cleans toilets and makes the tea in his rest time you really are spouting ■■■■ with all your posts and new threads
Rowley010:
And with your vast experience you should know that genuine circumstances that cause you to go over are actually very rare. Yes mistakes and misjudgment happens but you can’t keep on using that as an excuse. If you have load of infringements and you say they all mistakes then you need to review the way you plan your time.I’d consider you to be habitual and intentional if you keep on and on going over by a few minutes because you think a few minutes is trivial. Exactly what DVSA officers would be interested in, said by robroy December 2019.
How many ■■■■ times do you think I do it mate ffs.?
I freely admit to being caught out a few times,.and also deliberately aiming for a suitable park for instance, as I refuse on principle to park in lay bys and the like, but not done regularly in the epidemic proportions as you are implying.
I’m getting bored with you now mate, you can ‘consider’ whatever tf you like.
You just keep stressing out,.and I’ll carry on chilling out and raising interest from DVSA…oh hang on a minute.