WildGoose:
Chaps, if each one of us were to die tomorrow, it would take approximately one week to train a replacement ■■■■ to fill the gap, and he needn’t even speak English to ‘succeed’ in this job.
So it is perhaps time to stop overestimating ourselves. We are not special or individual snowflakes, there is nothing special about what we do, apart from perhaps a general tolerance and acceptance that in order to make a living we must work 12 hours or more per day, instead of the general 8 that the rest of the population works.
The way to more money is to ask your boss for a pay increase, and that can go one of two ways. If you don’t ask, you don’t get, and if he answers in the negative, you have one of two choices.
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WildGoose:
The fact is, that if you price yourself out of this market, because you feel you are worth more, then there will always be some clueless moron with a HGV ticket who is more than happy to slide into your place for less money. Do you really think your boss cares? As long as there is someone behind the wheel, and the wheels are turning.
I do 55 hours per week average (nights) and i’m on target for 26k. For the amount of stress expended and the hours I actually work (if you can call it that) each night, i’m quite happy with that.
…As I said in an earlier post, you wait for said Moron to phuckup big time, then I might be sliding into HIS position (so to speak) for a decent rate. Some firms around here like to give you minimum hourage (eg. work you to the minute of an 8 hour shift, but make sure you don’t get more hours on top!) but one also notices that the penny pinching firms don’t like to be supplied drivers by the firms that supply loads in one go. I’m not sure if I’m allowed to name names as to who the naff payers are (agencies & clients alike) in this particular neck of the woods.
As an AREA, I can say that GILLINGHAM is RUBBISH. This is a shame, as it’s the nearest business park to me.
I’ll get myself instead to places like Milton, Aylesford, or Crossways where the deals are sooo much better!
Aylesford & Crossways are areas where people can’t seem to afford their mortgages, so there is actually a shortgage of staff across all kinds of jobs. Milton (sittingbourne) however is a bit of an enigma… I always thought it was a bit of a rough area, but whenever I am there it’s a veritable hive of activity!
Being addicted to full time hours is what makes people settle for a lower hourly rate I think. This is doubly daft, because if you do more hours rather than less then you compound the loss!
I aim to work 2 shifts per week averaged. If I go too many weeks without picking up any (like January) then I’ll cram for a few weeks to get that average back up. Let the guys who want 54 hours @ £8ph carry on whilst I’m having my weekly stops. I’ll earn just as much picking up a couple of days across the weekend at £12+ph or as is the case at present, picking up a full blown mid-week block at £10. No Compromise, and indeed if you don’t ask you don’t get.
So it is perhaps time to stop overestimating ourselves. We are not special or individual snowflakes, there is nothing special about what we do, apart from perhaps a general tolerance and acceptance that in order to make a living we must work 12 hours or more per day, instead of the general 8 that the rest of the population works…
No No NO!
You should never “Underestimate yourselves” because you are “Special” If you didn’t do the job you do what would happen■■?
So it is perhaps time to stop overestimating ourselves. We are not special or individual snowflakes, there is nothing special about what we do, apart from perhaps a general tolerance and acceptance that in order to make a living we must work 12 hours or more per day, instead of the general 8 that the rest of the population works…
No No NO!
You should never “Underestimate yourselves” because you are “Special” If you didn’t do the job you do what would happen■■?
So it is perhaps time to stop overestimating ourselves. We are not special or individual snowflakes, there is nothing special about what we do, apart from perhaps a general tolerance and acceptance that in order to make a living we must work 12 hours or more per day, instead of the general 8 that the rest of the population works…
No No NO!
You should never “Underestimate yourselves” because you are “Special” If you didn’t do the job you do what would happen■■?
So it is perhaps time to stop overestimating ourselves. We are not special or individual snowflakes, there is nothing special about what we do, apart from perhaps a general tolerance and acceptance that in order to make a living we must work 12 hours or more per day, instead of the general 8 that the rest of the population works…
No No NO!
You should never “Underestimate yourselves” because you are “Special” If you didn’t do the job you do what would happen■■?
If ALL drivers made a stand against poor wages and a high number of working hours progress would be made. That’s not to say unreasonable demands should be made. But if they can afford to pay other staff (in particular office staff), decent money and a 40ish hour week, why should drivers have to do 60+ just to make a decent wage?
Problem is the planks that would work for almost nothing are prevalent everywhere… plenty of them post on here…
Until drivers stick together (and they won’t do as many are too stupid to), it’ll be business as usual - long hours and ■■■■■ money…
Truckulent:
If ALL drivers made a stand against poor wages and a high number of working hours progress would be made. That’s not to say unreasonable demands should be made. But if they can afford to pay other staff (in particular office staff), decent money and a 40ish hour week, why should drivers have to do 60+ just to make a decent wage?
Problem is the planks that would work for almost nothing are prevalent everywhere… plenty of them post on here…
Until drivers stick together (and they won’t do as many are too stupid to), it’ll be business as usual - long hours and [zb] money…
Truckulent:
If ALL drivers made a stand against poor wages and a high number of working hours progress would be made. That’s not to say unreasonable demands should be made. But if they can afford to pay other staff (in particular office staff), decent money and a 40ish hour week, why should drivers have to do 60+ just to make a decent wage?
Problem is the planks that would work for almost nothing are prevalent everywhere… plenty of them post on here…
Until drivers stick together (and they won’t do as many are too stupid to), it’ll be business as usual - long hours and [zb] money…
That’s true.
But the problem lies in that there is that line, after which they just turn away to cheaper people/companies/countries etc.
And is 15 pounds before, or behind that line?
Also (and this is about general picture, not the drivers only) - if everyone earned more, everything would become more expensive, thereofre altough we would all earn more in numbers, we will still not able to buy more for this.
Truckulent:
If ALL drivers made a stand against poor wages and a high number of working hours progress would be made. That’s not to say unreasonable demands should be made. But if they can afford to pay other staff (in particular office staff), decent money and a 40ish hour week, why should drivers have to do 60+ just to make a decent wage?
Problem is the planks that would work for almost nothing are prevalent everywhere… plenty of them post on here…
Until drivers stick together (and they won’t do as many are too stupid to), it’ll be business as usual - long hours and [zb] money…
That’s true.
But the problem lies in that there is that line, after which they just turn away to cheaper people/companies/countries etc.
FFS
And is 15 pounds before, or behind that line?
Also (and this is about general picture, not the drivers only) - if everyone earned more, everything would become more expensive, thereofre altough we would all earn more in numbers, we will still not able to buy more for this.
Truckulent:
If ALL drivers made a stand against poor wages and a high number of working hours progress would be made. That’s not to say unreasonable demands should be made. But if they can afford to pay other staff (in particular office staff), decent money and a 40ish hour week, why should drivers have to do 60+ just to make a decent wage?
Problem is the planks that would work for almost nothing are prevalent everywhere… plenty of them post on here…
Until drivers stick together (and they won’t do as many are too stupid to), it’ll be business as usual - long hours and [zb] money…
That’s true.
But the problem lies in that there is that line, after which they just turn away to cheaper people/companies/countries etc.
FFS
And is 15 pounds before, or behind that line?
Also (and this is about general picture, not the drivers only) - if everyone earned more, everything would become more expensive, thereofre altough we would all earn more in numbers, we will still not able to buy more for this.
Truckulent:
If ALL drivers made a stand against poor wages and a high number of working hours progress would be made. That’s not to say unreasonable demands should be made. But if they can afford to pay other staff (in particular office staff), decent money and a 40ish hour week, why should drivers have to do 60+ just to make a decent wage?
Problem is the planks that would work for almost nothing are prevalent everywhere… plenty of them post on here…
Until drivers stick together (and they won’t do as many are too stupid to), it’ll be business as usual - long hours and [zb] money…
That’s true.
But the problem lies in that there is that line, after which they just turn away to cheaper people/companies/countries etc.
And is 15 pounds before, or behind that line?
Also (and this is about general picture, not the drivers only) - if everyone earned more, everything would become more expensive, thereofre altough we would all earn more in numbers, we will still not able to buy more for this.
Yes, but the line at the moment is around £8.50/hour or less. £15/hour is OTT yes. But how many drivers even earn £10/hour regularly? After tax that £8.50 is definitely not over the line is it? Fact is it’s way behind the line.
My other half has a 19 year old girl working in her team (been there 3 months) and said girl is currently earning about £22K. She is still being trained and she works 37.5 hours a week…What would you earn if you worked 37.5 hours a week? Now, how crap does that feel - a lass just out of school, still undergoing training and guess what - she earns more than you…even worse? It’s within the Logistics sector…so how come they can afford to pay this young bint but not drivers■■? I merely ask.
Well, put it into context. Court interpreter in Scotland earns 17 per hour, self employed. And he can dream about overtime.
To become court interpreter you have to be much more than just fluent in two languages and complete DPSI course (where exam only cost over 500 pounds).
If I am better off driving sprinter van than interpreting for the police (what I used to do and what gives rates even lower than court interpreting) there is obviously something wrong with wages in general…
Well, put it into context. Court interpreter in Scotland earns 17 per hour, self employed. And he can dream about overtime.
To become court interpreter you have to be much more than just fluent in two languages and complete DPSI course (where exam only cost over 500 pounds).
If I am better off driving sprinter van than interpreting for the police (what I used to do and what gives rates even lower than court interpreting) there is obviously something wrong with wages in general…
Of course there is something wrong with the wages system.
But until ALL truckers stick together for a better deal - then you have this ■■■■.
Solly:
Of course there is something wrong with the wages system.
But until ALL truckers stick together for a better deal - then you have this [zb].
It’s not only about truckers. If truckers suddenly start get 15 pounds per hour each, everything will be more expensive, putting other people’s lifes to lower standard.
Off course (in theory) we can start pay everyone 15 per hour (because why not?) but the only effect will be inflation.
I think it would be much more worth if everyone stick together to rid off all parasites and middle mans and fat cats from banking and legal industries. Then everything could be cheaper and your 8.50 per hour will give you much better buying power.
But off course this is a fairy tale about iron wolf just as much as that about a 15 per hour for truckers.
