Indeed ! transport is normally done by the cheapest person, unless you are able to specialise a bit, i dont like posting what way i see the future going , its just thats where i see the future of uk transport going, in fact i can prove it, cos i lost a job to an italian who now backloads out of that factory, i was asked if i wanted to match the price, but i wasnt keen on reducing my rate by £150 per load !The italian co now has the job and subs it to the poles and latvians, i see nothing wrong or illegal in what they are doing, if iwas in the italians position i would do it too, we are here to try to make money, even if i dont like it, but i dont see how you are going to get a pay rise, when you put it into a eurpean wide perspective. Norbert dentressangle bought christian salvessen, when cabotage becomes totally free, they can double man a latvian truck here for probably half the wages of a uk driver, along with brining cheaper fuel in, if i was there tpt manager, i would send them over with full tanks keep them here until the fuel runs out, and you can slot them into christians work .I have never voted, power corrupts them all.richmond
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internation lorry drivers have not bad money.basicly pay per kilometrs or trip.normal company pay 0.12-014 EURO PER kilometr.in normal month drivers drive about 10000-11000 km.driver have about 1500 euro.not very big money but good.another reason-why big company taked latvian or pollish truck.because more cheap inchurance,tax,truch maintenance and,and… if for big company will be more cheap for 10 percent.company will be very hapy.for internation logistic company same -driver will be from UK ,Latvija or slovakia.who is cheap,who is taked load
Andrejs:
Indeed ! transport is normally done by the cheapest person, unless you are able to specialise a bit, i dont like posting what way i see the future going , its just thats where i see the future of uk transport going, in fact i can prove it, cos i lost a job to an italian who now backloads out of that factory, i was asked if i wanted to match the price, but i wasnt keen on reducing my rate by £150 per load !The italian co now has the job and subs it to the poles and latvians, i see nothing wrong or illegal in what they are doing, if iwas in the italians position i would do it too, we are here to try to make money, even if i dont like it, but i dont see how you are going to get a pay rise, when you put it into a eurpean wide perspective. Norbert dentressangle bought christian salvessen, when cabotage becomes totally free, they can double man a latvian truck here for probably half the wages of a uk driver, along with brining cheaper fuel in, if i was there tpt manager, i would send them over with full tanks keep them here until the fuel runs out, and you can slot them into christians work .I have never voted, power corrupts them all.richmond
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internation lorry drivers have not bad money.basicly pay per kilometrs or trip.normal company pay 0.12-014 EURO PER kilometr.in normal month drivers drive about 10000-11000 km.driver have about 1500 euro.not very big money but good.another reason-why big company taked latvian or pollish truck.because more cheap inchurance,tax,truch maintenance and,and… if for big company will be more cheap for 10 percent.company will be very hapy.for internation logistic company same -driver will be from UK ,Latvija or slovakia.who is cheap,who is taked load
English drivers here £500 per week, plus 23 a night out, plus load bonuses, extra if sat 125 sund 150, gbp £1equals 1.20 euro, im sure my guys would be thrilled with the pay cut of at least a third…lol
yes some driver have 500 -600 p/week.but to many many English/British drivers work for 300 and very happy.all depend from company and area.
and now we live in global economicl,strong competittion.it s not very good for drivers but what we can change■■?
and diesel now in latvija not very cheap,about 1.20 pound per litr.cheap diesel just in Russian
darren1000:
minimum wage for lgv should be £15 per hour, comment if you agree and want to start a national face book campaign.
Why shoudn’t UK truck drivers have a decent living wage■■?
Why thro’ government policy - should an influx of EU workers be allowed to drive UK wages down??
Look at it this way.
The disgraceful and abhorent “Free Trade Agreements” were designed, formulated, and introduced for that exact reason.
“Free Trade Agreements” = Low Wages" - “Higher Profits” to the detriment of the workers who make the profit. That cannot be morally right, can it?
Solly:
darren1000:
minimum wage for lgv should be £15 per hour, comment if you agree and want to start a national face book campaign.Why shoudn’t UK truck drivers have a decent living wage■■?
Why thro’ government policy - should an influx of EU workers be allowed to drive UK wages down??
Look at it this way.
The disgraceful and abhorent “Free Trade Agreements” were designed, formulated, and introduced for that exact reason.“Free Trade Agreements” = Low Wages" - “Higher Profits & Lower prices” to the detriment of the workers who make the profit. That cannot be morally right, can it?
Free Trade Agreements have brought lower prices, if you look only at cars, how many people are importing theirselves cars from Europe, was due to a big price difference very attractive a couple of years ago.
Consumers electronics and white goods have massively dropped in price.
And while the EEC is not everybody’s cup of Tea, they are a big trade partner for the USA, China and Russia, to keep the price of Grain, edible oils, steel, coal and Natural Gas under control.
This al results in lower consumer good prices, the Brittain “Master of the Commonwealth” doesn’t excist anymore, so to be a big player on the world market, we need to have a cooperation with countries around us.
Why shoudn’t UK truck drivers have a decent living wage■■?
True good question, but what is a decent living wage? I have drivers who make 1.600 a month are happy, do everything, drive a car go on Holiday, no debt. etc etc.
I have drivers who make 2.900-3.200 a month, up to their eyeballs in debt, never a penny in their pocket, living the whole month on Pot Noodle.
What is enough than and what is a decent wage??
The wages will never go up if the consumer is not willing to pay for it, we are all together the blame that the wages are low, and that there is no industry left in the UK!
We want it cheaper and cheaper, we don’t care where its made, we dont care how it’s transported, we don’t even care if the driver was underpaid…as long as it is cheap!!
Turn that around and you are on a winner, I know manufacturers (not so much in the UK) who are willing to pay the hauler extra, as long as he use a native, who is well trained and very presentable, but they are less and less common
i did a 2 year stint (night"s) with a Co. in london , the tm and staff loved me , i loved them, came in one eve 2 be told (i was agency)i either HAD 2 become employed by them or finish up that eve . Turns out a polish guy had called the Co. owner and said he would work for 2 grand less than any agency guy currently at said Co. if i took the job i would have 2 match the Polish guy"s suggested rate, i didn"t sign up . fair play, job was offerred , i refused , it"s a free market,the owner saw a perceived saving, pure, to him , pounds,shillings and pence >the bottom line!i heard later it didn"t work out 4 the driver cos u HAD 2 want 2 do that job and u had to a)know the ropes and b)go at said job like a good "un every night. No big deal to me ,but , as M.THATCHER said “there is no such thing as society” what she meant (in my opinion)was ,no one supports each other anymore ,everyone 4 themself,etc and, as long as that remains ,u /we can continue rolling up our sleeves to do a job for what ever we find personally acceptable> meanwhile poor “ol joe is still pickin” cotton
Allow me to correct a misconception, read any Free Trade Agreement. “Free Trade Agreements” - have nothing to do with Retail Prices - and believe me, everything to do with pushing wages down and destabling the workforce and population so as to maximise profit.
BTW - why did you deem it necessary to change my post so it would read differently?
Winseer:
How come sitting out is “making it worse”? For me? For other drivers?I hold out for decent hourly rates. That does us all a favour I would have thought.
I don’t work for the sake of working, nor do I pay to go to work (fell for that trick for a few weeks last year before I realised what was happening!)
Going to work is not a “privilege” that some agency has given you out of the goodness of their hearts. They make more out of your labour than you do, so it’s in everyone’s interest to go for top dollar anyway you can - and if that means sitting out 2 weeks on average every month, constantly turning down the mediocre and outright crap stuff, then so be it.I’ve just spent a month on the chat because I won’t drive the dustcart for £8ph, nor the C1multidrop for £8ph, nor the C+E tramper for £350pw, nor the 9ph job that was over 50miles away! At the end of that lean month, my tax credits have been bumped up by £300ish because my projected year end earnings are now falling short. I’ve paid no tax. I’ll get a bigger tax rebate on the flat-out hours I’m getting this week and next (£10ph 12 miles away) I’m better off for sure compared to either staying out of work or doing any work I can get no matter how low the pay/how far away/how naff the job might be.
The only way I can “be making it worse” is if I’m stepping on someone’s feet as an employer/landlord/4x4owner/tory voter/mortgage paid off grumpy, or savings rate moaner!
I accept I cannot change the system, so I’ll do my best to make it work for me instead.I’m done with the system shafting me, it’s long overdue for some payback! Sure, it’s a leap of faith but that beats submission to all and everything I don’t agree with.
where do you think your tax credits come from? fair enough turn down jobs because of low rates, i’ve done that, but i could afford to turn them down and didn’t claim tax credits. i think turning work down then claiming money from tax payers is morally wrong.
stevie
Andrejs:
yes some driver have 500 -600 p/week.but to many many English/British drivers work for 300 and very happy.all depend from company and area.
And judging from I myself already met two Englishmans who drive for Polish companies, saying that the money and work conditions are better shows that it’s no problem to earn more than that driving for Eastern Europeans…
orys:
Andrejs:
yes some driver have 500 -600 p/week.but to many many English/British drivers work for 300 and very happy.all depend from company and area.And judging from I myself already met two Englishmans who drive for Polish companies, saying that the money and work conditions are better shows that it’s no problem to earn more than that driving for Eastern Europeans…
Well thats good news for them then isnt it, however i beleive the post was 15 pounds per hour, and my reply was that the future, as i see it , will be most of the work will be done by eastern european trucks doing cabotage, which will be totally legal, any amount of work,this time next year, against that back drop i beleive that the only logical outcome will see, rates for haulage being driven downwards which i feel wont bode well for the campaign for higher wages.I hope im wrong, but i dont think so.
richmond:
orys:
Andrejs:
yes some driver have 500 -600 p/week.but to many many English/British drivers work for 300 and very happy.all depend from company and area.And judging from I myself already met two Englishmans who drive for Polish companies, saying that the money and work conditions are better shows that it’s no problem to earn more than that driving for Eastern Europeans…
Well thats good news for them then isnt it, however i beleive the post was 15 pounds per hour, and my reply was that the future, as i see it , will be most of the work will be done by eastern european trucks doing cabotage, which will be totally legal, any amount of work,this time next year, against that back drop i beleive that the only logical outcome will see, rates for haulage being driven downwards which i feel wont bode well for the campaign for higher wages.I hope im wrong, but i dont think so.
Well, I believe (and I hope I am right), and I base it on observations how much rates and wages went up in Poland that after some hard years for Western European hauliers, the rates will come to about equal level everywhere in EU. And since we should not expect too much expansion of EU anytime soon (expect for Croatia next year, but Croatia is already at much higher level than Romania and Bulgaria) that will give everyone a breathing space…
richmond:
orys:
Andrejs:
yes some driver have 500 -600 p/week.but to many many English/British drivers work for 300 and very happy.all depend from company and area.And judging from I myself already met two Englishmans who drive for Polish companies, saying that the money and work conditions are better shows that it’s no problem to earn more than that driving for Eastern Europeans…
Well thats good news for them then isnt it, however i beleive the post was 15 pounds per hour, and my reply was that the future, as i see it , will be most of the work will be done by eastern european trucks doing cabotage, which will be totally legal, any amount of work,this time next year, against that back drop i beleive that the only logical outcome will see, rates for haulage being driven downwards which i feel wont bode well for the campaign for higher wages.I hope im wrong, but i dont think so.
Fair prediction there Richmond, quite agree.
In other news today hundreds of thousands of lorry drivers voted labour liberal and conservative in the free elections for our democracy 
, all three factions of the one party state believe in the EU masterstate and how it loads their wallets…turkeys voting for Christmas.
There is constant downward pressure on wages to balance out the way our western financial system floods the market with printed money, experienced by most of us as “credit”.
Everyone moans about the ever-rising costs of living, and coupled with falling wages for the majority we end up with “stagflation” or “a painful adjustment”.
The only part that was wrong with all that’s happened since 2008 is that the banks should have been allowed to fail, shirtless savers who thought they were playing safe would move what money they had left into local enterprise, not trusting that which is further away anymore - rightly or wrongly.
If anyone wants higher pay, they only need make themselves unavailable, then wait for the enterprise for which their labour is required to fall over because of that unavailability.
In the trucking world, this might take the form of me being called in at £12ph to get the job done properly after a £8 monkey has messed it all up, since no one with the proper experience was going to take the job for wages that low right?.. One person CAN make a difference here - you’ve gotta have some faith in yourself and your industry!
It’s probably easier to pull off in this part of the world than further north, as there - dare I say - seems to be some mentality of being “scared” into working for low pay up there.
Signing on during the weeks I might not get the desired hourly rate work is less of a dent to my pride than effectively paying to go to work which is what I’d be doing working for poor pay. 
Let’s look at the third example here now - the midlands; I keep hearing about all the work available in the “golden triangle” area, but is that all hype, or is there the decent hourly rates to go with it? 
Answers on a postcard please, or better still on here! 
The market is flooded with credit that worthy borrowers no longer want to borrow at the bank-touted rate, and unworthy borrowers will continue to borrow at any price, but very likely default in the end.
Something has to balance that credit-creation (diluting the value of savings in the process) and flooding the labour market with cheap labour putting a deflationary force on top of wages is the way this and the previous government have (IMO WRONGLY) decided to do it.
The correct way to achieve what economists call “price discovery” is to pay wages that are in direct proportion to both what the employee earns for the firm (in many cases, that’ll be zero, so those jobs go!) and how much the employee would cost to replace… The misconception over the latter point is leading a lot of firms to take on under-experienced (but cheap) labour hoping that it will solve all their problems.
The trouble is, when upturns in the economy finally come (as they always do!), few firms decide to actually dish out that “jam tomorrow” they promised during all the “Time’s are 'ard” years when pay was dropped, or at best frozen. This creates a workforce where loyalty is scant, since they’ve been crapped on once too often to ever trust anyone offering “jam tomorrow” deals again!
Now, imagine the power that a firm playing it straight down the line when they advertise for top staff with top experience and tout top rates of pay as a BASIC with the availability of overtime on top, since there is an anticipated shortage of such staff… This is the world that the upper crust worker already has, but perhaps the right firm will come along in the not too distant future to drop the ladder down to the rest of us, and pay us the proper market forces dicatated amounts we deserve. 
“We deserve” - not “We all deserve” since this latter point is only going to be reached via the market forces corridor once all the deadwood at all levels of the transport industry have been put out to pasture…
(This is the bit on Daily Mail type write-ins when I get 6 zillion red arrows!) 
Well indeed again, that would be another way of looking at it, my way is twofold, firstly, the economy had gone absolutely mad here, with wages and house prices gone through the roof, we all knew it couldnt last, but couldnt bring ourselves to do anything about it, part of what is happening is an inevitable mass readjustment of prices, coupled with western europe, joining up fiscally with eastern europe, the natural outcome of an even europe, with a level playing field, would be, that our wages/ income will go down, as the eastern eurpeans will go up.I actually dont bame any of the eastern boys for working here,its no differant to saying to any english drivers, go work in poland for threetimes your normal weeks wages, if i was offered it, i would do it.Welcome to a level europe.
richmond:
Well indeed again, that would be another way of looking at it, my way is twofold, firstly, the economy had gone absolutely mad here, with wages and house prices gone through the roof, we all knew it couldnt last, but couldnt bring ourselves to do anything about it, part of what is happening is an inevitable mass readjustment of prices, coupled with western europe, joining up fiscally with eastern europe, the natural outcome of an even europe, with a level playing field, would be, that our wages/ income will go down, as the eastern eurpeans will go up.I actually dont bame any of the eastern boys for working here,its no differant to saying to any english drivers, go work in poland for threetimes your normal weeks wages, if i was offered it, i would do it.Welcome to a level europe.
If it was really the case that wages had gone through the roof to match prices there wouldn’t be any problem because spending power would still match prices.The figures actually show the perfect storm of prices outrunning incomes and inflation outrunning savings rates and the economy being subject to unsustainable levels of personal debt just to remain solvent.In addition to which cheap imported labour just puts more downward pressure on wages which means less spending power in the economy and more unemployment.It’s actually a mass downward readjustment in wages together with money that’s worth less and less and prices still increasing.
Chaps, if each one of us were to die tomorrow, it would take approximately one week to train a replacement ■■■■ to fill the gap, and he needn’t even speak English to ‘succeed’ in this job.
So it is perhaps time to stop overestimating ourselves. We are not special or individual snowflakes, there is nothing special about what we do, apart from perhaps a general tolerance and acceptance that in order to make a living we must work 12 hours or more per day, instead of the general 8 that the rest of the population works.
The way to more money is to ask your boss for a pay increase, and that can go one of two ways. If you don’t ask, you don’t get, and if he answers in the negative, you have one of two choices.
The fact is, that if you price yourself out of this market, because you feel you are worth more, then there will always be some clueless moron with a HGV ticket who is more than happy to slide into your place for less money. Do you really think your boss cares? As long as there is someone behind the wheel, and the wheels are turning.
I do 55 hours per week average (nights) and i’m on target for 26k. For the amount of stress expended and the hours I actually work (if you can call it that) each night, i’m quite happy with that.
Carryfast:
richmond:
Well indeed again, that would be another way of looking at it, my way is twofold, firstly, the economy had gone absolutely mad here, with wages and house prices gone through the roof, we all knew it couldnt last, but couldnt bring ourselves to do anything about it, part of what is happening is an inevitable mass readjustment of prices, coupled with western europe, joining up fiscally with eastern europe, the natural outcome of an even europe, with a level playing field, would be, that our wages/ income will go down, as the eastern eurpeans will go up.I actually dont bame any of the eastern boys for working here,its no differant to saying to any english drivers, go work in poland for threetimes your normal weeks wages, if i was offered it, i would do it.Welcome to a level europe.If it was really the case that wages had gone through the roof to match prices there wouldn’t be any problem because spending power would still match prices.The figures actually show the perfect storm of prices outrunning incomes and inflation outrunning savings rates and the economy being subject to unsustainable levels of personal debt just to remain solvent.In addition to which cheap imported labour just puts more downward pressure on wages which means less spending power in the economy and more unemployment.It’s actually a mass downward readjustment in wages together with money that’s worth less and les
s and prices still increasing.
correct.
WildGoose:
Chaps, if each one of us were to die tomorrow, it would take approximately one week to train a replacement ■■■■ to fill the gap, and he needn’t even speak English to ‘succeed’ in this job.So it is perhaps time to stop overestimating ourselves. We are not special or individual snowflakes, there is nothing special about what we do, apart from perhaps a general tolerance and acceptance that in order to make a living we must work 12 hours or more per day, instead of the general 8 that the rest of the population works.
The way to more money is to ask your boss for a pay increase, and that can go one of two ways. If you don’t ask, you don’t get, and if he answers in the negative, you have one of two choices.also correct
The fact is, that if you price yourself out of this market, because you feel you are worth more, then there will always be some clueless moron with a HGV ticket who is more than happy to slide into your place for less money. Do you really think your boss cares? As long as there is someone behind the wheel, and the wheels are turning.
I do 55 hours per week average (nights) and i’m on target for 26k. For the amount of stress expended and the hours I actually work (if you can call it that) each night, i’m quite happy with that.