I think a more logic solution would have been to assist the joining countries to improve their infrastructure and create work in the own countries. A mass exodus by those that can get out doesn’t necessarily help those left behind.
Clegg talks about those that come here and work, but whichever way you look at it they are taking jobs that could and should be done by our own people. If our benefits system wasn’t so generous then there might be more incentive for people to get a job.
…If our benefits system wasn’t so generous, there wouldn’t even be foreigners taking the crappy pay rates on offer, thus depriving us all of higher wages and actual real job vacancies.
It’s time the Insurance firms realised they were being conned, and reeled in those firms using systemic claiming to balance the company books. 
switchlogic:
You’re seriously confusing topics here. This topic is about illegal immigration. Last time I checked I didn’t have any Poles clinging to my axles desperate for a better life. Oh and heres another top tip, being pro something doesn’t mean you subscribe to everything they believe in. If I want a debate about the rights and wrongs of EU policy regarding migrants I’ll start a topic rather than hijack this one.
You can’t be serious… 
Winseer:
It’s time the Insurance firms realised they were being conned, and reeled in those firms using systemic claiming to balance the company books.
Whats this mean, i genuinley dont understand what you’re saying?
DrivingMissDaisy:
switchlogic:
You’re seriously confusing topics here. This topic is about illegal immigration. Last time I checked I didn’t have any Poles clinging to my axles desperate for a better life. Oh and heres another top tip, being pro something doesn’t mean you subscribe to everything they believe in. If I want a debate about the rights and wrongs of EU policy regarding migrants I’ll start a topic rather than hijack this one.You can’t be serious…
Which bit of that confused you?
switchlogic:
Sad how little compassion there is on this forum, yes there is a problem, yes it needs sorting out but remember one thing, they are simply humans like you and I, trying to get by like everyone is. The biggest difference being that many have been through hell, whereas for a lot of you delivering to an RDC or a traffic jam constitutes a really bad day. We are British through sheer luck, not some divine right. Stop looking down on these people.
This. Most of the rest of the comments make me feel slightly ashamed to be British, to be honest. When did so many of us become so petty, so small minded and mean spirited? Some of you need to remember that if you go back far enough, we’re pretty much all immigrants, and that there are plenty of Brits living in places like Spain in enclaves of other expat Brits who make no attempt to learn the language or integrate, etc. etc.
i think unless the uk sort out the wrong uns who come here up to no good who then get deported then yet there back in the uk a week later were going nowhere.the trouble in this country if you say anything the race card gets played… all i see the the eu has done is bring in even more of the why pay somebody £10+ a hour drive a truck when we can get somebody do it for £6+ im not saying lock the gates but border control needs sorting and im voting ukip this time round not a racist or a hater but the average british working man/woman deserves to come first…whether that be jobs health housing a proper working wage…something sadly the politicians seem to have forgot
switchlogic:
DrivingMissDaisy:
switchlogic:
You’re seriously confusing topics here. This topic is about illegal immigration. Last time I checked I didn’t have any Poles clinging to my axles desperate for a better life. Oh and heres another top tip, being pro something doesn’t mean you subscribe to everything they believe in. If I want a debate about the rights and wrongs of EU policy regarding migrants I’ll start a topic rather than hijack this one.You can’t be serious…
Which bit of that confused you?
I’m not confused, you are if you believe membership of the EU has no bearing on the migrant issue, illegal or otherwise.
Rhythm Thief:
switchlogic:
Sad how little compassion there is on this forum, yes there is a problem, yes it needs sorting out but remember one thing, they are simply humans like you and I, trying to get by like everyone is. The biggest difference being that many have been through hell, whereas for a lot of you delivering to an RDC or a traffic jam constitutes a really bad day. We are British through sheer luck, not some divine right. Stop looking down on these people.This. Most of the rest of the comments make me feel slightly ashamed to be British, to be honest. When did so many of us become so petty, so small minded and mean spirited? Some of you need to remember that if you go back far enough, we’re pretty much all immigrants, and that there are plenty of Brits living in places like Spain in enclaves of other expat Brits who make no attempt to learn the language or integrate, etc. etc.
You carry on feeling ashamed. Just let me know where you work and for how much. I’ll find somebody willing to do your job for less and we’ll see what happens to your compassion levels then. 
DrivingMissDaisy:
switchlogic:
DrivingMissDaisy:
switchlogic:
You’re seriously confusing topics here. This topic is about illegal immigration. Last time I checked I didn’t have any Poles clinging to my axles desperate for a better life. Oh and heres another top tip, being pro something doesn’t mean you subscribe to everything they believe in. If I want a debate about the rights and wrongs of EU policy regarding migrants I’ll start a topic rather than hijack this one.You can’t be serious…
Which bit of that confused you?
I’m not confused, you are if you believe membership of the EU has no bearing on the migrant issue, illegal or otherwise.
Jesus H Christ, your doing it again, reading stuff that I didn’t write! You clearly were confused, you thought I said something that anyone can see I very clearly didn’t.
switchlogic:
DrivingMissDaisy:
switchlogic:
DrivingMissDaisy:
switchlogic:
You’re seriously confusing topics here. This topic is about illegal immigration. Last time I checked I didn’t have any Poles clinging to my axles desperate for a better life. Oh and heres another top tip, being pro something doesn’t mean you subscribe to everything they believe in. If I want a debate about the rights and wrongs of EU policy regarding migrants I’ll start a topic rather than hijack this one.You can’t be serious…
Which bit of that confused you?
I’m not confused, you are if you believe membership of the EU has no bearing on the migrant issue, illegal or otherwise.
Jesus H Christ, your doing it again, reading stuff that I didn’t write! You clearly were confused, you thought I said something that anyone can see I very clearly didn’t.
Having a discussion in relation to migration, like we are, and not debating the role of the EU is a bit like like talking about how honey is made without mentioning the bees. It’s relevant, therefore it gets a mention. HTH. And leave Jesus out of this!
The handbags will be in action soon.
DrivingMissDaisy:
switchlogic:
DrivingMissDaisy:
switchlogic:
DrivingMissDaisy:
switchlogic:
You’re seriously confusing topics here. This topic is about illegal immigration. Last time I checked I didn’t have any Poles clinging to my axles desperate for a better life. Oh and heres another top tip, being pro something doesn’t mean you subscribe to everything they believe in. If I want a debate about the rights and wrongs of EU policy regarding migrants I’ll start a topic rather than hijack this one.You can’t be serious…
Which bit of that confused you?
I’m not confused, you are if you believe membership of the EU has no bearing on the migrant issue, illegal or otherwise.
Jesus H Christ, your doing it again, reading stuff that I didn’t write! You clearly were confused, you thought I said something that anyone can see I very clearly didn’t.
Having a discussion in relation to migration, like we are, and not debating the role of the EU is a bit like like talking about how honey is made without mentioning the bees. It’s relevant, therefore it gets a mention. HTH. And leave Jesus out of this!
You started talking about economic migrants from.other EU countries and put opinions into my mouth. I clearly pointed out this topic was about illegal immigration, which yes the EU has a role to play in, but open borders and the freedom of EU citizens to work anywhere is another subject for another thread. You didn’t bring up EU policy regarding illegal immigrants. My original posts which you chose to misread concerned illegal immigration and how I agree yes there is a problem but also we should show some compassion.
waddy640:
The handbags will be in action soon.
Luke and I are above that sort of thing. I might scratch his eyes out though…
The title of this thread is “Migrants” it is not specific to legal or illegal nor is it confined to those from the EU States. Therefore it can lead to confusion but there is no need to get nasty with another member about it.
If you wish to discuss a particular class of migrant the best thing would be to start another thread clearly stating what you want to cover.
For the record the reason I dont contribute to debates about the freedom of EU citizens to work anywhere is that I dont know how I feel about it. On the one hand I can see unlimited movement can cause problems and on the other that I’ve spent 90% of my truck driving career working for foreign companies. So its hard for me to have a strong opinion on it because I don’t know what that opinion is
waddy640:
The title of this thread is “Migrants” it is not specific to legal or illegal nor is it confined to those from the EU States. Therefore it can lead to confusion but there is no need to get nasty with another member about it.If you wish to discuss a particular class of migrant the best thing would be to start another thread clearly stating what you want to cover.
My mistake, the original post contained a link to a story of illegal immigrants, therefore I assumed that’s what it was about. If this is gonna turn into the weekly trucknet Eastern European bashing thread I shall take my leave. Good day to you
switchlogic:
You started talking about economic migrants from.other EU countries
No, I didn’t restrict myself to the EU. This is a worldwide issue.and put opinions into my mouth.
No again,I just offered an opinion?
I clearly pointed out this topic was about illegal immigration,
Actually, the thread is MIGRANTS.
which yes the EU has a role to play in, but open borders and the freedom of EU citizens to work anywhere is another subject for another thread.
Why? Because Luke says so? It’s directly relevant so not to discuss it would be doing the thread a disservice wouldn’t you say? Or am I just not saying what you’d like to hear?
You didn’t bring up EU policy regarding illegal immigrants. My original posts which you chose to misread concerned illegal immigration and how I agree yes there is a problem but also we should show some compassion.
Oh I did and I asked you for your thoughts on the matter out of genuine interest but you didn’t respond. I do have a lot compassion for people from all parts of this planet but I also want a solution that works for all. I attach no blame or ill feeling to migrants for doing what they think is best for them. The blame lies elsewhere and it’s not with the working people of this or any other country who, likewise, are trying to make a go of things. This country is no more and no less racist than any other in my opinion but I do strongly believe the racism discussion is a distraction from the real problem. Think global!
switchlogic:
For the record the reason I dont contribute to debates about the freedom of EU citizens to work anywhere is that I dont know how I feel about it. On the one hand I can see unlimited movement can cause problems and on the other that I’ve spent 90% of my truck driving career working for foreign companies. So its hard for me to have a strong opinion on it because I don’t know what that opinion is
That’s the best thing you’ve said so far Luke. By having a debate about issues that concern us we might get closer to agreement and understanding. I don’t claim to have all the answers either but I do give these things some thought. It’s not doing a thread like this justice to restrict relevant comment. It’s a very broad subject. Don’t go away now that we’re coming some way towards each other. I value your thoughts and opinions greatly and it’s good to get your teeth into something meaty now and then. Don’t be a stranger!
DrivingMissDaisy:
Rhythm Thief:
switchlogic:
Sad how little compassion there is on this forum, yes there is a problem, yes it needs sorting out but remember one thing, they are simply humans like you and I, trying to get by like everyone is. The biggest difference being that many have been through hell, whereas for a lot of you delivering to an RDC or a traffic jam constitutes a really bad day. We are British through sheer luck, not some divine right. Stop looking down on these people.This. Most of the rest of the comments make me feel slightly ashamed to be British, to be honest. When did so many of us become so petty, so small minded and mean spirited? Some of you need to remember that if you go back far enough, we’re pretty much all immigrants, and that there are plenty of Brits living in places like Spain in enclaves of other expat Brits who make no attempt to learn the language or integrate, etc. etc.
You carry on feeling ashamed. Just let me know where you work and for how much. I’ll find somebody willing to do your job for less and we’ll see what happens to your compassion levels then.
I don’t know why you think that’s something new, or something that doesn’t apply at the moment, or something that’s restricted to migrants. All the years I’ve been driving it’s been the case that someone could come along and offer to do my job for less, and they wouldn’t have to be a migrant to do so. (No one ever has pushed me out of a job by being cheaper, by the way). Besides, I keep hold of my job by being good at it, not by relying on no one being willing to do it for less.