Yep then you expect others to make room and let you in?
Are you not supposed to read the road ahead?
Im reading the road ahead by using the empty lane. If everyone else wants to sit and queue like sheep thats up to them.
TBH, if everyone used both lanes till it became 1 then adopted zip merging instead of sitting a coat of paint off the car in front so no one else got in the queue probably wouldn’t be as bad
You can’t get two into one, if 2000 vehicles for example need to get into one lane it is 2000 vehicles.
Zip merge is just bulling your way in expecting people to let you in because your a self centred [zb] who jumped the queue
More nonsense.
If the single lane is travelling more than twice the speed of the two lanes merging there will be no congestion.
Macski:
Zip merge is just bulling your way in expecting people to let you in because your a self centred [zb] who jumped the queue
No its not. Its called using the available road
Sit down
How is it available iof it is closed off?
Lanes open till you get to the cones.
The clues are there…
But then you expect someone to make room for you so you can push in?
Franglais:
Negan:
TBH, if everyone used both lanes till it became 1 then adopted zip merging instead of sitting a coat of paint off the car in front so no one else got in the queue probably wouldn’t be as bad
Agreed.
Highway Code Rule 134
“You should follow the signs and road markings and get into the lane as directed. In congested road conditions do not change lanes unnecessarily. Merging in turn is recommended but only if safe and appropriate when vehicles are travelling at a very low speed, e.g. when approaching road works or a road traffic incident. It is not recommended at high speed.”
Use the road until you are near the signs that tell you to change lanes.
Don`t change lanes just because the vehicle in front has changed lanes. That way the queue will be two lanes wide, not one lane wide.
There will be the same number of vehicles in the queue, but it will affect half the lengthy of road.
(But don`t flash down the outside lane at warp speed and force a way in at the last instant)
How does it half the length of the road?
How long is a queue of 100 cars? Say 500 meters.
How long is 2 queues of 50 cars each side by side? Perhaps 250 meters?
If say, the slip road is 300 meters long, in one case you have traffic backed up onto the motorway. In the other, you don’t.
So for what its worth my 2 penny worth, whilst I retired from being a DVSA ADI grade A in 2019 and have not looked at the THCode since or bought the new one, I see’s nothing wrong with using both lanes. Plod was having a bad day, it happens. Now when I was a ( ADI ) you had to teach learner’s training to take a test to move over as soon as safe to do so. Being late to move over was seen as poor observation or late action’s to a situation and recorded as a driving fault. Now, teaching advanced driver’s to do what the driver with all the camera’s did. But now our woke DVSA tell us you are not to preach what to do to student but give them the information for them to decide for themselves. Possibilty this is why so many get it wrong. What I used to teach was the vehicle to your right and in front or ahead of you, you should offer the priority. The only 3 times you can legally undertake on the left are as follows; 1.if a vehicle is positioned right and signalling right and there is room to pass safely on the left. 2. In a oneway street when turning left. 3. When driving in slow moving queues of traffic when traffic to your right is slower that your lane on a motorway or dual-carriageway. RANT over
stu675:
[How long is a queue of 100 cars? Say 500 meters.
How long is 2 queues of 50 cars each side by side? Perhaps 250 meters?
If say, the slip road is 300 meters long, in one case you have traffic backed up onto the motorway. In the other, you don’t.
So how does iot work, vehicles drive on to the roof of another vehicle when merging?.
If there is 500 meters of vehicles and that is split into two, there is still 500 meters of vehicles that need to be in lane that is open at the pinch point, the only way for that happen is the drivers in the open lane will slow down and make room to the drivers who have decided that they will take the free road, ignore signs that the lane is closed and then expect to be let in
I rarely see merge lanes working, all to often people will use the lane that is closed to jump ahead even one car
stu675:
[How long is a queue of 100 cars? Say 500 meters.
How long is 2 queues of 50 cars each side by side? Perhaps 250 meters?
If say, the slip road is 300 meters long, in one case you have traffic backed up onto the motorway. In the other, you don’t.
So how does iot work, vehicles drive on to the roof of another vehicle when merging?.
If there is 500 meters of vehicles and that is split into two, there is still 500 meters of vehicles that need to be in lane that is open at the pinch point, the only way for that happen is the drivers in the open lane will slow down and make room to the drivers who have decided that they will take the free road, ignore signs that the lane is closed and then expect to be let in
I rarely see merge lanes working, all to often people will use the lane that is closed to jump ahead even one car
Vehicles will pass through the pinch point at about the same rate whatever.
The number of vehicles in the queue will be about the same (in whatever conditions prevail) whatever.
The same number of vehicles waiting can be in a longer single file, or a shorter double file.
Do merging lanes work well?
Not always, no.
Partly due to those on the right choosing a spot to force their way into; partly due to those on the left keeping merging traffic out.
Get yourselves over to Germany to see how it works. Einordnen
stu675:
[How long is a queue of 100 cars? Say 500 meters.
How long is 2 queues of 50 cars each side by side? Perhaps 250 meters?
If say, the slip road is 300 meters long, in one case you have traffic backed up onto the motorway. In the other, you don’t.
So how does iot work, vehicles drive on to the roof of another vehicle when merging?.
If there is 500 meters of vehicles and that is split into two, there is still 500 meters of vehicles that need to be in lane that is open at the pinch point, the only way for that happen is the drivers in the open lane will slow down and make room to the drivers who have decided that they will take the free road, ignore signs that the lane is closed and then expect to be let in
So the M1 is reduced to one lane at junction 20, do you think all the traffic should start to get into one lane from junction 1?
I rarely see merge lanes working,
are you currently still stuck in traffic waiting to merge? If not, then it has worked
all too often people will use the lane that is closed to jump ahead even one car
the lane is not closed until the far side of the cones, I have never seen traffic on the wrong side of the cones, have you?
I think somebody on here must be one of those ■■■■ self appointed road marshalls …who deliberately block the lane off for about a mile as soon as they see a 'lane closed ’ sign,.thinking they are cleverer than anybody else.
All those ■■■■ s do is prevent everybody else from using the road correctly…ie merging in turn as you approach the blocked off lane.
Those are the ■■■■ s who should be nicked, it ain’t your ■■■■ job to monitor everybody else!!!
Although I think he should have merged behind the white car in the video.
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You’ve completely missed the point of the video then.
The gap behind the white car is before the traffic lights. If he had taken that gap at 4:18 either he would have stopped at the green light and blocked all the traffic behind or he would have proceeded through the green light and blocked the junction.
Although I think he should have merged behind the white car in the video.
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You’ve completely missed the point of the video then.
The gap behind the white car is before the traffic lights. If he had taken that gap at 4:18 either he would have stopped at the green light and blocked all the traffic behind or he would have proceeded through the green light and blocked the junction.
robroy:
I think somebody on here must be one of those [zb] self appointed road marshalls …who deliberately block the lane off for about a mile as soon as they see a 'lane closed ’ sign,.thinking they are cleverer than anybody else.
All those [zb] s do is prevent everybody else from using the road correctly…ie merging in turn as you approach the blocked off lane.
Those are the [zb] s who should be nicked, it ain’t your [zb] job to monitor everybody else!!!
Never done that a mile away, do that sometimes where the lane starts narrowing and I see vehicles who are going to bully their way through then slam on once they got ahead to stop running into the car in front of me.
Howevber usually when someone does block the traffic it is interesting that usually the flow becomes better
The trick is not to force yourself in. You need to prepare and take it slow.
Just gently nudge around an opening then ease in ever so gently and youll find yourself in with no damage.
Dont just bang right in without taking care or someone could get hurt.
Just make sure if you see an opening you check its the one you try to enter and you dont go for the wrong one or there could be a lot of swearing and yelling.
Follow these tips and a pleasurable experinece will be had by all
Personally,when it’s my turn to merge I give the steering a slight turn and wait with indicator showing.One or two drivers are always desperate to retain their spot but I rarely wait long and the whole process is stress free.
Negan:
The trick is not to force yourself in. You need to prepare and take it slow.
Just gently nudge around an opening then ease in ever so gently and youll find yourself in with no damage.
Dont just bang right in without taking care or someone could get hurt.
Just make sure if you see an opening you check its the one you try to enter and you dont go for the wrong one or there could be a lot of swearing and yelling.
Follow these tips and a pleasurable experinece will be had by all
See I know how it works in theory and it kind of works in town if the merge lane is long enouth and there isn’t much traffic around.
The consept fails in practice especially were there are lane closures, because it depends on the open lane moving slower then the merge lane, it also depends on people leaving room for the vehicles to merge, so you have actually slowed down the open lane and the vehicles in the second lane still need the room in the open lane.
How often do you get to roadwork for example and there is a queue, once the traffic has merged it is moving again freely.
Negan:
The trick is not to force yourself in. You need to prepare and take it slow.
Just gently nudge around an opening then ease in ever so gently and youll find yourself in with no damage.
Dont just bang right in without taking care or someone could get hurt.
Just make sure if you see an opening you check its the one you try to enter and you dont go for the wrong one or there could be a lot of swearing and yelling.
Follow these tips and a pleasurable experinece will be had by all
See I know how it works in theory and it kind of works in town if the merge lane is long enouth and there isn’t much traffic around.
The consept fails in practice especially were there are lane closures, because it depends on the open lane moving slower then the merge lane, it also depends on people leaving room for the vehicles to merge, so you have actually slowed down the open lane and the vehicles in the second lane still need the room in the open lane.
How often do you get to roadwork for example and there is a queue, once the traffic has merged it is moving again freely.
Yep then you expect others to make room and let you in?
Are you not supposed to read the road ahead?
Well that’s kinda my take.
Am happy to go into/use the ‘blocked lane’ but the point is the ‘clear lane’ wont let you in and the problem is drivers wont go 1 and 1. Especially with trucks . Oh no has to be 3 cars not just 1.
My solution. Cameras at 600m/400m and 200m notice. Everyone photographed. If not in at 200m £100 fine.
Same at m-way exits. Camera photo the hatched areas £200 fine.
Negan:
The trick is not to force yourself in. You need to prepare and take it slow.
Just gently nudge around an opening then ease in ever so gently and youll find yourself in with no damage.
Dont just bang right in without taking care or someone could get hurt.
Just make sure if you see an opening you check its the one you try to enter and you dont go for the wrong one or there could be a lot of swearing and yelling.
Follow these tips and a pleasurable experinece will be had by all
Negan:
The trick is not to force yourself in. You need to prepare and take it slow.
Just gently nudge around an opening then ease in ever so gently and youll find yourself in with no damage.
Dont just bang right in without taking care or someone could get hurt.
Just make sure if you see an opening you check its the one you try to enter and you dont go for the wrong one or there could be a lot of swearing and yelling.
Follow these tips and a pleasurable experinece will be had by all
See I know how it works in theory and it kind of works in town if the merge lane is long enouth and there isn’t much traffic around.
The consept fails in practice especially were there are lane closures, because it depends on the open lane moving slower then the merge lane, it also depends on people leaving room for the vehicles to merge, so you have actually slowed down the open lane and the vehicles in the second lane still need the room in the open lane.
How often do you get to roadwork for example and there is a queue, once the traffic has merged it is moving again freely.
WHOOOOOSH…
OK What happens in traffic when one vehicle slows down? You get a phantom traffic jam where the vehicles behind slow down more and mre until the vehicles are coming to a stop.
Note the cars in left lane need to creat a space for the vehicles in the right lane, so they need to slow down and creat a gaps so car one slows down by 2mph for example and lets car in from right, car two then has to slow down by more to creat another gap, car three is slowing down again more so what happens several vehicles along the line? It is great for the vehicles in lane two but lane one is growing longer not only because the vehicles at the head of the queue are creating gaps, it is slower.
If I am wrong again I will point out that traffic usually runs fairly smoothly once it has been filtered into the restricted lanes, instead of resonding with things like WHOOOOOSH… explain?
…who deliberately block the lane off for about a mile as soon as they see a 'lane closed ’ sign,.thinking they are cleverer than anybody else.
