I can see most towns in the Uk to be traffic free, like they are doing in Europe, the centre is pedestrians only and barriers to keep the cars out, Sherborne in Dorset has times for delivery only, if you miss that, the barrier goes up, and you have to come back the next day.
If anyone knew Madrid in the 90`s, it was only the M20 or M30 ring road, now there are about 7 or more, and still more on the way.
Carryfast you seem like a pretty decent enough person but zb me you dont half chat some crap.
switchlogic:
London expands because its population is getting bigger Carryfast. That’s a surprisingly easy concept I’m surprised you haven’t grasped it. I suppose its getting bigger because everyone hates it so. Stop dressing up your opinions as fact
In which case your own bs idea of expansion defeats your own argument.So how does a continuing policy of expansion fit your description of wanting to ‘live in London’ when what you’re actually saying is that you don’t really want to live ‘in London’ at all because you don’t want to live in an ever increasingly populated city made up of high rise tower blocks.What you actually want is for places like Surrey to build you a house in Surrey and then call that London.Which has been London’s bonkers development policy since the days when Southwark was a part of Surrey and now the place’s so called borders are well on their way to the South Coast at their most ridiculously Southern points in,what was,Surrey and Kent.
What I’m saying is if you really want to live in London then live there not in the surrounding counties.However no surprise,just like all the rest of the wanabee ‘Londoners’ you don’t really want to live in the reality of City life at all.What you’re really asking for is yet more housing to be built in the surrounding counties and their countryside in which case it then becomes an argument as to where do you stop and how can someone living in Sussex or eventually Northern France call that living in London. 
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
London expands because its population is getting bigger Carryfast. That’s a surprisingly easy concept I’m surprised you haven’t grasped it. I suppose its getting bigger because everyone hates it so. Stop dressing up your opinions as factIn which case your own bs idea of expansion defeats your own argument.So how does a continuing policy of expansion fit your description of wanting to ‘live in London’ when what you’re actually saying is that you don’t really want to live ‘in London’ at all because you don’t want to live in an ever increasingly populated city made up of high rise tower blocks.What you actually want is for places like Surrey to build you a house in Surrey and then call that London.Which has been London’s bonkers development policy since the days when Southwark was a part of Surrey and now the place’s so called borders are well on their way to the South Coast at their most ridiculously Southern points in,what was,Surrey and Kent.
What I’m saying is if you really want to live in London then live there not in the surrounding counties.However no surprise,just like all the rest of the wanabee ‘Londoners’ you don’t really want to live in the reality of City life at all.What you’re really asking for is yet more housing to be built in the surrounding counties and their countryside in which case it then becomes an argument as to where do you stop and how can someone living in Sussex or eventually Northern France call that living in London.
Im quite happy living in the essex countryside, we sit round the dinner table on horses you know
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
London expands because its population is getting bigger Carryfast. That’s a surprisingly easy concept I’m surprised you haven’t grasped it. I suppose its getting bigger because everyone hates it so. Stop dressing up your opinions as factIn which case your own bs idea of expansion defeats your own argument.So how does a continuing policy of expansion fit your description of wanting to ‘live in London’ when what you’re actually saying is that you don’t really want to live ‘in London’ at all because you don’t want to live in an ever increasingly populated city made up of high rise tower blocks.What you actually want is for places like Surrey to build you a house in Surrey and then call that London.Which has been London’s bonkers development policy since the days when Southwark was a part of Surrey and now the place’s so called borders are well on their way to the South Coast at their most ridiculously Southern points in,what was,Surrey and Kent.
What I’m saying is if you really want to live in London then live there not in the surrounding counties.However no surprise,just like all the rest of the wanabee ‘Londoners’ you don’t really want to live in the reality of City life at all.What you’re really asking for is yet more housing to be built in the surrounding counties and their countryside in which case it then becomes an argument as to where do you stop and how can someone living in Sussex or eventually Northern France call that living in London.
You deduced that from just three lines? 
Saaamon:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
London expands because its population is getting bigger Carryfast. That’s a surprisingly easy concept I’m surprised you haven’t grasped it. I suppose its getting bigger because everyone hates it so. Stop dressing up your opinions as factIn which case your own bs idea of expansion defeats your own argument.So how does a continuing policy of expansion fit your description of wanting to ‘live in London’ when what you’re actually saying is that you don’t really want to live ‘in London’ at all because you don’t want to live in an ever increasingly populated city made up of high rise tower blocks.What you actually want is for places like Surrey to build you a house in Surrey and then call that London.Which has been London’s bonkers development policy since the days when Southwark was a part of Surrey and now the place’s so called borders are well on their way to the South Coast at their most ridiculously Southern points in,what was,Surrey and Kent.
What I’m saying is if you really want to live in London then live there not in the surrounding counties.However no surprise,just like all the rest of the wanabee ‘Londoners’ you don’t really want to live in the reality of City life at all.What you’re really asking for is yet more housing to be built in the surrounding counties and their countryside in which case it then becomes an argument as to where do you stop and how can someone living in Sussex or eventually Northern France call that living in London.
Im quite happy living in the essex countryside,
As I said many of those who’d like to think what a wonderful place London supposedly is then contradict themselves by not actually wanting to live in the realities of that.Which is why so many ‘Londoners’ have voted with their feet over the years thereby putting their demands onto the surrounding counties instead which then just creates the same issues on an ever increasing basis in those places instead.
Which in reality translates into Londoners calling for ever more urban growth but then not wanting the results of that in terms of either traffic levels or population density etc etc resulting in them then wanting housing and infrastructure built on an ever expanding basis in the surrounding counties.Which if taken to it’s logical conclusion means that London will eventually expand it’s development requirements until it reaches the point where the whole of the South East is ruined by overdevelopment.
the maoster:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
London expands because its population is getting bigger Carryfast. That’s a surprisingly easy concept I’m surprised you haven’t grasped it. I suppose its getting bigger because everyone hates it so. Stop dressing up your opinions as factIn which case your own bs idea of expansion defeats your own argument.So how does a continuing policy of expansion fit your description of wanting to ‘live in London’ when what you’re actually saying is that you don’t really want to live ‘in London’ at all because you don’t want to live in an ever increasingly populated city made up of high rise tower blocks.What you actually want is for places like Surrey to build you a house in Surrey and then call that London.Which has been London’s bonkers development policy since the days when Southwark was a part of Surrey and now the place’s so called borders are well on their way to the South Coast at their most ridiculously Southern points in,what was,Surrey and Kent.
What I’m saying is if you really want to live in London then live there not in the surrounding counties.However no surprise,just like all the rest of the wanabee ‘Londoners’ you don’t really want to live in the reality of City life at all.What you’re really asking for is yet more housing to be built in the surrounding counties and their countryside in which case it then becomes an argument as to where do you stop and how can someone living in Sussex or eventually Northern France call that living in London.
You deduced that from just three lines?
No from just the first sentence. 
the maoster:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
London expands because its population is getting bigger Carryfast. That’s a surprisingly easy concept I’m surprised you haven’t grasped it. I suppose its getting bigger because everyone hates it so. Stop dressing up your opinions as factIn which case your own bs idea of expansion defeats your own argument.So how does a continuing policy of expansion fit your description of wanting to ‘live in London’ when what you’re actually saying is that you don’t really want to live ‘in London’ at all because you don’t want to live in an ever increasingly populated city made up of high rise tower blocks.What you actually want is for places like Surrey to build you a house in Surrey and then call that London.Which has been London’s bonkers development policy since the days when Southwark was a part of Surrey and now the place’s so called borders are well on their way to the South Coast at their most ridiculously Southern points in,what was,Surrey and Kent.
What I’m saying is if you really want to live in London then live there not in the surrounding counties.However no surprise,just like all the rest of the wanabee ‘Londoners’ you don’t really want to live in the reality of City life at all.What you’re really asking for is yet more housing to be built in the surrounding counties and their countryside in which case it then becomes an argument as to where do you stop and how can someone living in Sussex or eventually Northern France call that living in London.
You deduced that from just three lines?
He did, and he got it all wrong. When I said I want to live in London I meant London, daft old fool seemed to map my life out for me there with me hardly saying anything.
Carryfast:
No from just the first sentence.
Sorry to ■■■■ on your parade but I didn’t say anything about what I wanted in the post you quoted. But you never did let facts get in the way of your rants where you dress your opinion up as facts. I’ve no intention of living in Surry. Why would I I was born in Oxfordshire, but I don’t want to live there either, I know you find this simple concept hard to grasp but I love London and I want to live there, not surburbia.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
No from just the first sentence.Sorry to ■■■■ on your parade but I didn’t say anything about what I wanted in the post you quoted. But you never did let facts get in the way of your rants where you dress your opinion up as facts. I’ve no intention of living in Surry. Why would I I was born in Oxfordshire, but I don’t want to live there either, I know you find this simple concept hard to grasp but I love London and I want to live there, not surburbia.
According to your logic London ‘has’ to expand as it’s population gets bigger. Which obviously contradicts your idea because there obviously isn’t room within the place to house all of those who even want to live there let alone those who don’t.
some people are comparing london to paris …done both and didnt like either,but managed with the help of a sat nav 
however been to leeds today first time and absoluteley hated it, spent 40 mins going round in a circle 
sat nav wasnt up to date with the road system and asking didnt work. 
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
No from just the first sentence.Sorry to ■■■■ on your parade but I didn’t say anything about what I wanted in the post you quoted. But you never did let facts get in the way of your rants where you dress your opinion up as facts. I’ve no intention of living in Surry. Why would I I was born in Oxfordshire, but I don’t want to live there either, I know you find this simple concept hard to grasp but I love London and I want to live there, not surburbia.
According to your logic London ‘has’ to expand as it’s population gets bigger.
My idea, my logic, contradicts my idea? Will you listen to yourself? None of it means anything we are all just idiots spouting crap on a forum not town planners or anyone making a difference. All I said was London got bigger as its population increased. Not my idea, or logic, just simple indisputable facts.
You might want to look up contradicts in a dictionary
Saaamon:
Im quite happy living in the essex countryside, we sit round the dinner table on horses you know
Oi do too, but I am not sure if they like me eating their brothers, whilst I am sitting on them though! 
Glad to see more people enjoy the driving experience of driving in London than originally portrayed and we’re trying to breaking the mould on the traditional whinging on here. “I’m not doing this and I’m not doing that etc, etc”.
I seriously wonder how hauliers make money (listening to stuff like this spouted on here) when supposedly their employees say they won’t do something they are capable of if they put their mind to it. Surely if the demand is there, you get on and do it■■? Otherwise someone else will take it off you and do it instead, while you are left sitting there earning no money??
Even Boris can’t stop demand for goods, if he does I don’t think his voters will like him that much after day 3 of no deliveries! 
Not had the chance to try it in an artic yet, but when I pass that test I hope to get the opportunity.
As Truckyboy said
Truckyboy:
but there are those that CAN actually drive here, most who moan about driving here, are in fact afraid to, the traffic scares them, the volume of people scares them, and of course the diversity of the population, and dare i say it, cyclists.
Funnily my old man always said the same thing, how can it be so hard to drive in a city where you regularly never go over 20mph becuase of traffic, which gives you more time to be observant and plan where you are going, rather than rushing your ■■■■ off!
As Orys said too!
Orys:
I would say that London is actually one of the most relaxing big cities to drive (unless its friday afternoon traffic, then it’s annoying place to read a book as you have to put it away and move few metres forward every two minutes or so).
Tried Rome, it blew my mind, they knew what they were doing and I didn’t - making me the super dangerous one to everyone else including myself! Also really glad I never went near Paris, based on responses on here then! Need a couple more hours practice driving on the left hand side and not in a right hand vehicle and I think I’d be able to give it a better shot!
ashbyspannerman:
Love doing the multiple collections I do in London in an artic with a moffet on the back.
Now that’s the one I really want to have a go at Ashbyspannerman, one day I hope to achieve that level of dedication and its where I am aiming to be. Saw a Topps Tile dude doing exactly this today and he had a big smile on his face!
C
Constantine:
Saaamon:
Im quite happy living in the essex countryside, we sit round the dinner table on horses you knowOi do too, but I am not sure if they like me eating their brothers, whilst I am sitting on them though!
Glad to see more people enjoy the driving experience of driving in London than originally portrayed and we’re trying to breaking the mould on the traditional whinging on here. “I’m not doing this and I’m not doing that etc, etc”.
I seriously wonder how hauliers make money (listening to stuff like this spouted on here) when supposedly their employees say they won’t do something they are capable of if they put their mind to it. Surely if the demand is there, you get on and do it■■? Otherwise someone else will take it off you and do it instead, while you are left sitting there earning no money??
The company i lasted worked for had no time for people who say “they dont do london”, if you moaned about going there you be punished by being sent there for atleast a week everyday sometimes two. A new guy (many years on rigids just passed his artic test) started and came back almost in tears because he had a real rough time not being able to get into drop, think they were ■■■■■■ and blinding down the phone at him, so they sent him there again the next day to make point 
… He lasted 3 weeks.
Many many years past, when I was a disgusting agency driver that used to crash trucks for fun, ■■■■ in cup holders and wipe my arse on the curtains, I often used to be sent to do Tesco Harlow (maybe because the day cab Scanias had no curtains) anyhoo I often used to get the 00:30 start which was two stores in Norfolk, a longer run which was the holy grail to supermarket drivers! Starting at the same time was the Covent Garden run and 95% of the time the driver was at the desk moaning! The look on their faces as I turned and said ‘here why don’t we swap’! They thought it was Christmas and I had a nice day bouncing in and out of London doing central stores. Marvellous.
Boris is full of stupid ill thought out ideas. That’s what he’s good at. Being the panto’ donkey or puppet. After all there’s no show without Punch. Perfect figurehead really, for those who put him into office.
Saaamon:
Constantine:
Saaamon:
Im quite happy living in the essex countryside, we sit round the dinner table on horses you knowOi do too, but I am not sure if they like me eating their brothers, whilst I am sitting on them though!
Glad to see more people enjoy the driving experience of driving in London than originally portrayed and we’re trying to breaking the mould on the traditional whinging on here. “I’m not doing this and I’m not doing that etc, etc”.
I seriously wonder how hauliers make money (listening to stuff like this spouted on here) when supposedly their employees say they won’t do something they are capable of if they put their mind to it. Surely if the demand is there, you get on and do it■■? Otherwise someone else will take it off you and do it instead, while you are left sitting there earning no money??
The company i lasted worked for had no time for people who say “they dont do london”, if you moaned about going there you be punished by being sent there for atleast a week everyday sometimes two. A new guy (many years on rigids just passed his artic test) started and came back almost in tears because he had a real rough time not being able to get into drop, think they were [zb] and blinding down the phone at him, so they sent him there again the next day to make point
Nothing like a bit of bullying to bring on a new driver
10-08:
Saaamon:
Constantine:
Saaamon:
Im quite happy living in the essex countryside, we sit round the dinner table on horses you knowOi do too, but I am not sure if they like me eating their brothers, whilst I am sitting on them though!
Glad to see more people enjoy the driving experience of driving in London than originally portrayed and we’re trying to breaking the mould on the traditional whinging on here. “I’m not doing this and I’m not doing that etc, etc”.
I seriously wonder how hauliers make money (listening to stuff like this spouted on here) when supposedly their employees say they won’t do something they are capable of if they put their mind to it. Surely if the demand is there, you get on and do it■■? Otherwise someone else will take it off you and do it instead, while you are left sitting there earning no money??
The company i lasted worked for had no time for people who say “they dont do london”, if you moaned about going there you be punished by being sent there for atleast a week everyday sometimes two. A new guy (many years on rigids just passed his artic test) started and came back almost in tears because he had a real rough time not being able to get into drop, think they were [zb] and blinding down the phone at him, so they sent him there again the next day to make point
Nothing like a bit of bullying to bring on a new driver
Yeah they sound like a delightful company to work for. I’d say that poor driver was lucky to escape that shower of arse holes
seen him on internet ,nearly getting wiped out by a wagon,perhaps that why!!!
We have drivers at our place up North that winge about going into Manchester and Liverpool city centre. I don’t think it’s just London, just busy city centres in general. Birmingham is another I hear drivers whinging about.
I’m not bothered, but city centres can be a nightmare if you don’t know the place or the drop and get lost, miss your turn and it can take 10-15mins to get back round the one way system etc. Then you have the heart in mouth moment everytime you approach a drop when you pray some knob isn’t parked in the loading bay or blue badge holder parked on double yellows taking up your turning space.
As for drivers that “don’t/won’t do London” etc when its part of the job where they work… grow a pair and stop being childish. Almost as bad as drivers that “won’t drive the rigid”.