Following on from a comment on the ‘‘Lovely Boss’’ thread (which has been ''Carryfasted … so I’ve started a new one )
Why do you do it?..maxing out on a salary, every week?
Why choose to do a 15 hour day x 3 every week when you would get paid exactly the same for doing a 13?
There is one thing being conscientious and another thing being stupid that’s the way I see it.
If you work out what you have made on your salary, break it down to an hourly rate, it just brings that hourly rate down every ‘extra hour’ you work…or am I missing something here?
I know a couple of lads who work for a firm where many of their drivers do just this, they run ragged like owner drivers, and park up on the last minute every night… some of them will even run in on a Saturday for no extra, and wait for it…Run out on a Sunday for no extra pay ffs.! …just to be ‘‘First in the queue’’ Mon morning.
I know these few guys are not typical and particularly ■■■■ thick , but If you are being pushed and encouraged by your firm to do this, do you not think they are taking the ■■■■ and having a right old chuckle at your gullibility?
I have always preferred to be paid by the hour, at least then you know exactly where you are, and if you are paid extra over a certain time, even better.
The only way that I would work on a salary, (and even max out my hours a day or so a week) is if the rate of salary was well compensatory for doing so…ie where you work for a good and fair minded firm that understand the benefits of looking after their drivers and being fair with them…ie reap what you sow scenario…but how many firms these days are like that?
robroy:
I know a couple of lads who work for a firm where many of their drivers do just this, they run ragged like owner drivers, and park up on the last minute every night… some of them will even run in on a Saturday for no extra, and wait for it…Run out on a Sunday for no extra pay ffs.! …just to be ‘‘First in the queue’’ Mon morning.
Presume this is Jenkinsons,and as such some kind of productivity bonus/percentage pay structure is in place.
End of the day…if it’s all there is,and you need the cash…
robroy:
The only way that I would work on a salary, (and even max out my hours a day or so a week) is if the rate of salary was well compensatory for doing so…ie where you work for a good and fair minded firm that understand the benefits of looking after their drivers and being fair with them…ie reap what you sow scenario…but how many firms these days are like that?
Thing is as a driver if you give decent value for money, are reliable, don’t do damage, look after your vehicle and equipment like its your own and do your best to represent the company as well you can, after all the driver is the person in the front line, then proper employers who value their whole business put the correct value on their drivers and do their best to retain them.
If i ended up doing a 60 hour week it wouldn’t worry me because i know it would be made right over the following weeks, but again in practice i owe the company hundreds of hours because they don’t ask us to make up the regular shortfall of hours that we arn’t actually working, i average 43, so i wouldn’t make a fuss for the odd busy spell where we needed to do a bit more.
Again, if you’ve got it good for Christ’s sake look after it so it lasts forever, why does this not compute with so many of our colleagues in this industry, who if they land a good job can’t help themselves taking the ■■■■ out of it (sickies etc) until the job is buggered
The answer Robroy for better pay and or less hours is specialised or unique work requiring skills/care/patience/muck and bullets etc or simple hard graft, because the simpler easier more deskilled a job becomes…my old bandwagon the change from manual to auto gearbox might feature here as the base line when it all started to unravel …the easier they can replace you with any bod dragged from the street.
robroy:
I know a couple of lads who work for a firm where many of their drivers do just this, they run ragged like owner drivers, and park up on the last minute every night… some of them will even run in on a Saturday for no extra, and wait for it…Run out on a Sunday for no extra pay ffs.! …just to be ‘‘First in the queue’’ Mon morning.
Presume this is Jenkinsons,and as such some kind of productivity bonus/percentage pay structure is in place.
End of the day…if it’s all there is,and you need the cash…
No comment on who it may or may not be…are you saying that Jenkinsons drivers work like that?
If so it hardly sounds a good proposition for a job.
If a productivity incentive bonus IS the case, and is the reason for all this, is it entirely legal?
Does it not effectively compormise road safety if you are teararsing around like a clown on crack?
As for percentage of pay…surely that would only work if the truck’s earnings were disclosed to the driver, and if they were not I’d be a tad suspicious about it’s authenticity tbh.
Either way if what you say is the case for whatever firm, it sounds like a bit of a classic ■■■■■■■■ to me.
As you suggest, if it’s all there is/need the cash?..
I see that, but c’mon working Sat for nothing, and the same Sunday…voluntarily?
Surely there is a bit of wriggle room there for a compromise from a decent firm, and if not is that not a definite case and reason for a bit of driver solidarity?..Yeh, ok, I know.
robroy:
The only way that I would work on a salary, (and even max out my hours a day or so a week) is if the rate of salary was well compensatory for doing so…ie where you work for a good and fair minded firm that understand the benefits of looking after their drivers and being fair with them…ie reap what you sow scenario…but how many firms these days are like that?
Thing is as a driver if you give decent value for money, are reliable, don’t do damage, look after your vehicle and equipment like its your own and do your best to represent the company as well you can, after all the driver is the person in the front line, then proper employers who value their whole business put the correct value on their drivers and do their best to retain them.
If i ended up doing a 60 hour week it wouldn’t worry me because i know it would be made right over the following weeks, but again in practice i owe the company hundreds of hours because they don’t ask us to make up the regular shortfall of hours that we arn’t actually working, i average 43, so i wouldn’t make a fuss for the odd busy spell where we needed to do a bit more.
Again, if you’ve got it good for Christ’s sake look after it so it lasts forever, why does this not compute with so many of our colleagues in this industry, who if they land a good job can’t help themselves taking the ■■■■ out of it (sickies etc) until the job is buggered
The answer Robroy for better pay and or less hours is specialised or unique work requiring skills/care/patience/muck and bullets etc or simple hard graft, because the simpler easier more deskilled a job becomes…my old bandwagon the change from manual to auto gearbox might feature here as the base line when it all started to unravel …the easier they can replace you with any bod dragged from the street.
I won’t mention unions yet, oh dear i did
That is exactly what I was getting at in the quote Juddian.
If you work for a good fair firm, you tend to reciprocate.
robroy:
I know a couple of lads who work for a firm where many of their drivers do just this, they run ragged like owner drivers, and park up on the last minute every night… some of them will even run in on a Saturday for no extra, and wait for it…Run out on a Sunday for no extra pay ffs.! …just to be ‘‘First in the queue’’ Mon morning.
Presume this is Jenkinsons,and as such some kind of productivity bonus/percentage pay structure is in place.
End of the day…if it’s all there is,and you need the cash…
No comment on who it may or may not be…are you saying that Jenkinsons drivers work like that?
If so it hardly sounds a good proposition for a job.
If a productivity incentive bonus IS the case, and is the reason for all this, is it entirely legal?
Does it not effectively compormise road safety if you are teararsing around like a clown on crack?
As for percentage of pay…surely that would only work if the truck’s earnings were disclosed to the driver, and if they were not I’d be a tad suspicious about it’s authenticity tbh.
Either way if what you say is the case for whatever firm, it sounds like a bit of a classic ■■■■■■■■ to me.
As you suggest, if it’s all there is/need the cash?..
I see that, but c’mon working Sat for nothing, and the same Sunday…voluntarily?
Surely there is a bit of wriggle room there for a compromise from a decent firm, and if not is that not a definite case and reason for a bit of driver solidarity?..Yeh, ok, I know.
The point is…they’re chasing the dough.
Nothing new there
commonrail:
They’re running out on Sunday,so they can get an extra load in.
Ok, so there must be big difference at the end of the month in pay with matey who works on a Sunday for this presumably mythical earnings related bonus, to a guy who does the job at a sensible rate of knots, and sees that he is being taken for a ride if he was even daft enough to consider the Sun run then eh?
We both know that aint the case though.
Not bothered if you don’t want to answer mate, but do you work for the co that YOU brought up in the thread?
Don’t know what difference it would make to your monthly pay packet…but for some folks a hundred quid,is a lot of money.
Never worked for Jenkinsons,but did have a brief spell on walking floors.
Wasn’t for me
I’m on salary. Being an own account place we are looked after so yes I may do a lot of hours some weeks but other weeks don’t do many so it balances out. The salary is decent enough and if I do go above an average of 44 hours I get the days off, non of this sitting in the canteen on poa balderdash that I’ve heard some firms do! We never work weekends so running out on a Sunday just doesn’t happen although I have run in on a Saturday morning a couple of times because I just couldn’t be arsed to fight with the Friday afternoon traffic.
Suits me anyway mate.
I have run in on a Saturday morning a couple of times because I just couldn’t be arsed to fight with the Friday afternoon traffic.
Suits me anyway mate.
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thats the entire answer in a nutshell.
guys are just working it to suit themself.
theres also the fact that some guys cant be arsed lying in their chugging chariots 11 hours every night.
stopping out fri night or heading out on a sun so you dont need to get up eary on a mon seems fair enough if it suits you and you have the option to do so.
if you allow your company to run you ragged for no pay,then your a prick.
if you work the job to suit yourself then fair play…different strokes ect.
If I work for a firm which treat me with respect and value me (which I do) I’ll go the extra mile and even work my nads off if the work is there to be done. Then when it’s slack I get it all back. Last Christmas I had 3 weeks off because it’s our quiet period. Last bank hol was my s&i weekend when we usually drop the trucks off on a Friday. I dropped it off on Wednesday and had 5 days off without using holidays.
The benefit of salary overly hourly is you get paid the same no matter what you work or don’t work. Hourly you’re always chasing that ‘mega’ week so it’s always disappointing when you don’t get it.
robroy:
Why choose to do a 15 hour day x 3 every week when you would get paid exactly the same for doing a 13?
There is one thing being conscientious and another thing being stupid that’s the way I see it.
Why choose to do a 13 hour day when you would get paid the same amount for doing 8 hours?
… so I’ve started a new one 
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…just to be ‘‘First in the queue’’ Mon morning. 
…the easier they can replace you with any bod dragged from the street.
