Some of the attitudes of acceptance to all this type of sh, and the ‘‘What’s the problem if you are doing nothing wrong’’ type comments just illustrate why this job has deteriorated over the years.
Some guys will accept and put up with anything and take it right up the arse willinglly.
Not for me, I would never have a camera constantly recording me, on principle, it’s a ■■■■ insult to my integrity and professionalism as a driver. Stick camera (and job) directly up ■■■■■■…end of.
Completely struggling to get wound up about this cab camera stuff. So long as it’s not recording me when i’m not driving, I couldn’t give a toss.
It’s pretty common in modern society for people to have cameras on them whilst they work, you don’t hear anybody else saying their integrity is being called into question & threatening to quit. Cab cameras will be fairly common I predict within the next 5 years & 99.99% of drivers will have gotten over the hoo-ha having realised it’s not a big deal and be getting on with the job as normal (but maybe without checking their phone whilst driving…).
Working in retail I have had quite a lot of experience regards cctv and data protection. There are a lot of rules to follow. (So much for learning to drive and getting away from it!)
One of the biggest rules is that we are only allowed to use it to investigate when have reason to suspect wrongdoing. Even then it has to be proportional. It is not to be routinely reviewed. I am not sure how it would apply in this circumstance.
It is very difficult as it could be used that it could be used for a boss to go through looking for faults to pull people on. Who can say hand on heart they don’t make mistakes/cut corners through a week? Need to be careful as it is a very slippery slope when things go down that path.
If my boss puts a camera in my cab, I will gross out who ever watches the footage.
I dare you ■■■■■■■■■■■■. I double dare you ■■■■■■■■■■■■. .
robroy:
Some of the attitudes of acceptance to all this type of sh, and the ‘‘What’s the problem if you are doing nothing wrong’’ type comments just illustrate why this job has deteriorated over the years.
Some guys will accept and put up with anything and take it right up the arse willinglly.
Not for me, I would never have a camera constantly recording me, on principle, it’s a [zb] insult to my integrity and professionalism as a driver. Stick camera (and job) directly up ■■■■■■…end of.
^^^ This.
If I wanted to have my behaviour constantly monitored and recorded I would have been born in the Soviet Union when Stalin was in charge.
robroy:
Some of the attitudes of acceptance to all this type of sh, and the ‘‘What’s the problem if you are doing nothing wrong’’ type comments just illustrate why this job has deteriorated over the years.
Some guys will accept and put up with anything and take it right up the arse willinglly.
Not for me, I would never have a camera constantly recording me, on principle, it’s a [zb] insult to my integrity and professionalism as a driver. Stick camera (and job) directly up ■■■■■■…end of.
Further to my earlier above comment. That would deffo be part of the routine…
and I like to see any office with the guts to put footage of an as hole slowly decending on the camera, on line. Or use it to humiliate me…
robroy:
Some of the attitudes of acceptance to all this type of sh, and the ‘‘What’s the problem if you are doing nothing wrong’’ type comments just illustrate why this job has deteriorated over the years.
Some guys will accept and put up with anything and take it right up the arse willinglly.
Not for me, I would never have a camera constantly recording me, on principle, it’s a [zb] insult to my integrity and professionalism as a driver. Stick camera (and job) directly up ■■■■■■…end of.
You’d need one of them night vision cameras for that.
Sooner the better really. Just come past the airport on the M56, maritime driver doing about 45mph watching a film on his tablet.
Divide and Conquer once again, you can see it in operation in this very thread.
We are morally and ethically bankrupt, shame, as we could have done so much as a race, instead we have squandered all and every opportunity.
My own in cab camera has caused me a moral dilemma and caused me to question my own ■■■■■■■■■.
I find my self getting aroused watching videos of myself let’s say inflagrante with a wetwipe and am not sure if this is gay or not.
A similar moral dilemma arose when at the age of 14 I ‘accidentally’ tasted some of my own ■■■■.
I suppose I would object to a company camera but I’m pretty sure not as much as the company would object to the recorded footage.
I’m currently working on a montage compilation of my best bits for xhamster.
Apparently the money shots are quite lucrative.
Honked:
Sooner the better really. Just come past the airport on the M56, maritime driver doing about 45mph watching a film on his tablet.
Yeh…Sooner the better, let us all be penalized for the actions of one prick.
I also vote for a gloved finger up the arse type drug search every Mon morning, so true to form get your kecks around the ankles all you subsevient ‘big butch truckers’
I’m of the opinion that CCTV should only be accessed in-retrospect when there is an incident, and something needs to be reviewed or investigated, or for live-action on behalf of security purposes.
If someone in the office can log-into a vehicle and watch the driver on a live stream, then to me that’s out of order. It needn’t be done, and it serves no purpose. A camera that simply stores video recordings, and is only accessed in the event of an incident, even though I hate the idea of these cameras, to me this is the furthest they should go. This is providing the camera is only on when the wheels are moving. Watching a driver sleep is wrong on so many levels.
Watching perimeter fences or gates is fine, because it’s for security purposes, but watching employees in real-time for the sake of watching them, possibly to deter procrastination, or make sure they’re just doing their job, is completely detrimental to employer-employee relations. It shows there is no trust. A good employer-employer relationship should be based on trust, people will go the extra mile if they trust each other.
Even so, in the unlikely event of a desk-jockey browsing through the live vehicle cameras actually finding a driver on their phone, tablet, etc, what can they do? Install loudspeakers in cabs to warn the driver? George Orwell’s “1984” springs to mind.
People are being put-off from lorry driving enough, and this could send them over the edge. If Maritime do this, I really do hope that enough drivers pack-in to send shockwaves through their system.
Look from another point of view. If the camera is “Driver Facing” then the camera evidence will not be any good at exhonorating the driver in a collision with a third-party vehicle. A look of shock, surprise, and then sadness on the driver’s face isn’t going to be any good if you had some cement mixer roll back and hit you, or a caravan hit you just as you were overtaking a row of parked cars…
A forward facing camera though - would be peace of mind for both company and driver, as the proof that it was the third party’s fault (if it is of course!) is there to see…
A driver facing camera though? - What’s it going to pick up? No seatbelt? Texting while driving? Bad driving style? (crunching gears, always looking distracted/half asleep/unsure of themselves?)
Perhaps it would be best to only have a driver facing camera on a works training vehicle - with ALL vehicles having “forward facing” ones mounted, and in the case of tipper yards - how about left hand side external ones as well?
Winseer:
A forward facing camera though - would be peace of mind for both company and driver, as the proof that it was the third party’s fault (if it is of course!) is there to see…
A driver facing camera though? - What’s it going to pick up? No seatbelt? Texting while driving? Bad driving style? (crunching gears, always looking distracted/half asleep/unsure of themselves?)
They would work mainly as a deterrent. If you’re on your phone, and you know that if you have a bump, they will review camera footage, and you could face dismissal, or even prosecution.
Scrutiny of the footage could just get very silly, especially if they want to get at someone. They could pick-up on uniform infringements, not taking sunglasses off when going into tunnels, prohibited eating or drinking in the cab, not enough mirror checks, and other daft little things. It could go on and on.
They completely remove the element of trust, it doesn’t matter what the “If you’re doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide…” do-gooders have to say. The word “professional” is thrown around a lot, it’s time they treat you like one (and pay you like one, but that’s another story).
the nodding donkey:
If my boss puts a camera in my cab, I will gross out who ever watches the footage.I dare you [zb]. I double dare you [zb]. .
Wiping bogies over the camera lens is not the answer.
Rottweiler22:
Winseer:
A forward facing camera though - would be peace of mind for both company and driver, as the proof that it was the third party’s fault (if it is of course!) is there to see…
A driver facing camera though? - What’s it going to pick up? No seatbelt? Texting while driving? Bad driving style? (crunching gears, always looking distracted/half asleep/unsure of themselves?)They would work mainly as a deterrent. If you’re on your phone, and you know that if you have a bump, they will review camera footage, and you could face dismissal, or even prosecution.
Scrutiny of the footage could just get very silly, especially if they want to get at someone. They could pick-up on uniform infringements, not taking sunglasses off when going into tunnels, prohibited eating or drinking in the cab, not enough mirror checks, and other daft little things. It could go on and on.
They completely remove the element of trust, it doesn’t matter what the “If you’re doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide…” do-gooders have to say. The word “professional” is thrown around a lot, it’s time they treat you like one (and pay you like one, but that’s another story).
That’s what you have Unions for - but the paradox is, that with a Union - you wouldn’t be getting driver-facing Cameras installed in the first place!
nedflanders:
Its not possible to do this due to privacy laws
Link to that law please.
Harry Monk:
robroy:
Some of the attitudes of acceptance to all this type of sh, and the ‘‘What’s the problem if you are doing nothing wrong’’ type comments just illustrate why this job has deteriorated over the years.
Some guys will accept and put up with anything and take it right up the arse willinglly.
Not for me, I would never have a camera constantly recording me, on principle, it’s a [zb] insult to my integrity and professionalism as a driver. Stick camera (and job) directly up ■■■■■■…end of.^^^ This.
If I wanted to have my behaviour constantly monitored and recorded I would have been born in the Soviet Union when Stalin was in charge.
It’s routine that you are now asked to not only bring your own vaseline - but you are told you cannot claim it on expenses either.
The reason companies are fitting them is because of the insurance claims.
I’m a bus driver, had them on buses for years.
Camera has saved me quite a few times- false allegations.
What does it say about the relationship they have with their drivers if they have to watch them at work? our lot are completely over the top on many such issues and have no doubt previously looked at installing them.
There is no doubt that a growing minority of drivers should never be behind the wheel of a truck based on there attitude alone never mind their complete lack of competence, another point not mentioned is the scenario where the driver was killed in an RTA this is captured on film with the possibility of it being leaked onto the the web.
The day they arrive at my place is the day I would look for a job elsewhere.