happysack:
I have a friend who lives in Botswana on a farm which has been in her family for generations. She has been shot, assaulted and regularly threatened. She has had farm dogs shot and poisoned. One of her farm workers was hanged. She or her family have never in the past done anything against the local villagers. She lives in fear, but short of turning her back and leaving her life, family home and all possessions she has no choice but to continue to farm.
She employs 5 local farm workers, 3 security staff and a house assistant. She regularly helps the local school, providing fresh food and also teaches for free.
What was once a beautiful place is now a death trap for farmers.
Funny how the PC brigade who run the media don’t seem to report stuff like this
Why on earth would they? Hardly a story of international significance or relevant to the average Brit now is it? If your interested in the internal politics of Botswana then I dare say there’s many local media outlets you can turn to.
If white farmers were shooting blacks who encroached onto their farms you can bet your bottom dollar the BBC would be reporting it!
I see. So I take it from the BBC silence not one white person has killed a black? You’ve a short memory, black’s forcing white farmers off their land in Zimbabwe was headline news for weeks a few years ago…but that doesn’t fit the view of the BBC you’ve constructed does it? The same BBC who the past few days has mentioned Mandela’s terrorist past several times and had Tebbit on yesterday putting an alternate viewpoint. Maybe open your mind a bit and you’ll see its bot all a big conspiracy really. Just in the minds of a few
I think the basic underlying message is how good it is that there’s an ethnic African president of America and how bad American apartheid was and how good it is that the ANC and Mugabe managed to overthrow the so called ‘white rule’ in South Africa and Rhodesia to be replaced with a racist ethnic African run administration using violence and intimidation against the ethnic immigrant population.You’d have to be blind and deaf to miss that fact.Or just a biased socialist.
You didn’t read my post at all before replying did you? You think the BBC report that Mugabe is a good thing? Jesus you want a conspiracy so you make one up. To Mugabe the BBC is almost enemy number one and all BBC journalists have been banned from Zimbabwe for years. Why do you think that happened? Because they were nice about his regime? Jacob Zuma of SA and the ANC has also had a fair few run ins with the BBC and their coverage of him and his party the past few years and he’s no fan of them either. Open your blinkered eyes and you’d see this
I was actually referring to the BBC’s support of the overthrow of the Rhodesian government by Wilson’s commy administration which eventually brought Mugabe to power and now just trying to make it look like they didn’t support it all when it blew up in their face.Just like has been and is already happening in South Africa.However it wouldn’t fit the loony left script to say that the regime which Mandela helped to create is no different to Mugabe’s in it’s reverse racist aims.
You want a BBC conspiracy so you make one up, thats all. You stick to the Daily Mail and BNP Online or whatever they call it. The BBC dont support anyone. Everyone that says they do it talking rubbish. Its in their remit to be impartial in all matters and most of the time they succeed very well at that. After all they’ve millions of BBC conspiracy theorists like you to complain if they dont…although I’ve noticed most of them dont watch or listen to BBC news, hence their misinformed opinions on the matter
happysack:
So many know it all bores. Luke, go and live there, and then spout your middle class pish. Until you live under threat of the local blacks then you can tell us about your middle class ideals. I know from people living there, that the blacks haveb power, but no intelligence. Chaos rules.
Well if you read any of my posts at all (which you haven’t) my point has simply been that calling Mandela nothing but a terrorist is silly and that there isn’t one big BBC conspiracy. So not entirely sure where your post fits into that exactly. Not once have I said I know anything about the situation in South Africa or Africa apart from to defend the BBC who report honestly to the point where they get banned from some countries. So go away and let the grown ups speak.
That it maybe but still makes more sense than you accusing me of having unrealistic middle class views of what its like in SA when Ive said nothing of the sort…
Carryfast:
So assuming that you don’t agree with the overthrow of the Rhodesian and South African governments on ethnic grounds and you don’t agree with the ‘redistribution’ of farmland on the same basis and you agree that apartheid was required to seperate two totally incompatible ethnic groups then why are you bothering to criticise what I’ve said.
Again, you’re putting words into my mouth. Where have I said I “agree that apartheid was required to seperate two totally incompatible ethnic groups”? Here’s a clue: I haven’t.
Carryfast:
Being that my case is based on the simple fact that you’re dealing with two totally incompatible different ethnic groups one being an alien immigrant European one.In which case either you need to deal with the symptoms in seperating the two or you need to remove the cause which in this case would mean re patriation of the ethnic immigrant group.I’m suggesting that it’s obviously the latter which would be the most preferable being that it’s already lost it’s rights to govern itself on those ethnic grounds and the natives look like they’re going to turn to a violent solution,with examples already having taken place regarding that,if things don’t get sorted soon.By the same yardstick there’s no justification for ethnic African populations to remain here either when they should also be subject to similar conditions regarding their rights to be in government office or to stay here occupying our land.
I’m not even going to attempt to unravel your, er, logic here. What I’m also not going to do is reply to any more of your unpleasantly racist and bigoted posts.
Carryfast:
As for the Israeli issue you obviously need some history lessons being that you’ve obviously been fed a load of bs and obviously believe it.
That’s a war film, you ■■■■■■■ idiot. Not an analysis of Israeli history. It may surprise you to learn that I haven’t been “fed” anything; instead, I’ve done my own research (which did not involve a single fictional treatment) and made up my own mind. Some of us have the ability to do this, you see, instead of adopting all our opinions wholesale from Searchlight magazine.
Have a nice life, I won’t be reading anything else you post.
Carryfast:
So assuming that you don’t agree with the overthrow of the Rhodesian and South African governments on ethnic grounds and you don’t agree with the ‘redistribution’ of farmland on the same basis and you agree that apartheid was required to seperate two totally incompatible ethnic groups then why are you bothering to criticise what I’ve said.
Again, you’re putting words into my mouth. Where have I said I “agree that apartheid was required to seperate two totally incompatible ethnic groups”? Here’s a clue: I haven’t.
Carryfast:
Being that my case is based on the simple fact that you’re dealing with two totally incompatible different ethnic groups one being an alien immigrant European one.In which case either you need to deal with the symptoms in seperating the two or you need to remove the cause which in this case would mean re patriation of the ethnic immigrant group.I’m suggesting that it’s obviously the latter which would be the most preferable being that it’s already lost it’s rights to govern itself on those ethnic grounds and the natives look like they’re going to turn to a violent solution,with examples already having taken place regarding that,if things don’t get sorted soon.By the same yardstick there’s no justification for ethnic African populations to remain here either when they should also be subject to similar conditions regarding their rights to be in government office or to stay here occupying our land.
I’m not even going to attempt to unravel your, er, logic here. What I’m also not going to do is reply to any more of your unpleasantly racist and bigoted posts.
Carryfast:
As for the Israeli issue you obviously need some history lessons being that you’ve obviously been fed a load of bs and obviously believe it.
That’s a war film, you [zb] idiot. Not an analysis of Israeli history. It may surprise you to learn that I haven’t been “fed” anything; instead, I’ve done my own research (which did not involve a single fictional treatment) and made up my own mind. Some of us have the ability to do this, you see, instead of adopting all our opinions wholesale from Searchlight magazine.
Have a nice life, I won’t be reading anything else you post.
I knew you haven’t said that apartheid was required to seperate the two totally incompatible ethnic groups in South Africa.Which is why I then asked you to confirm where you stand on the issues.Which just as I said is obviously the typical raving socialist position.
As for the film that was no war film it was actually an accurate account of the start of the state of Israel and the struggle which it’s citizens have had in defending the place against the attacks against them by the Arab nations and their selectively racist socialist supporters ever since.No surprise that you’re obviously one of those typical,selectively racist when it suits you,socialists.As for Searchlight no thanks because unlike you I can recognise the difference,between racism in all it’s forms.As opposed to just keeping the different ethnic groups different,in their own places,living under their own cultures just as nature intended.Which obviously in this case means repatriation of the remaining ethnic European African population in what was Rhodesia and South Africa and the ethnic African population living outside Africa.
While it’s obvious that your agenda is something different based on the socialist idea of ethnic integration mixed with reverse racism whenever and wherever it suits you.Although it’s not surprising that any raving socialist would want to run away,when challenged with any type of intelligent debate,which opposes their bs ideology,being that intelligence has never been a strong point in the case of socialism in all it’s forms and it’s raving supporters,wether they be National Socialists or any other type of Socialist.
The only point I’ll make on this thread is that I find it bizarre that Nelson Mandela is so admired, and Robert Mugabe is so despised, when their politics and philosophies are near-identical, and this attitude seems to be based solely on the fact that one is more photogenic than the other.
happysack:
So many know it all bores. Luke, go and live there, and then spout your middle class pish. Until you live under threat of the local blacks then you can tell us about your middle class ideals. I know from people living there, that the blacks haveb power, but no intelligence. Chaos rules.
Well if you read any of my posts at all (which you haven’t) my point has simply been that calling Mandela nothing but a terrorist is silly and that there isn’t one big BBC conspiracy. So not entirely sure where your post fits into that exactly. Not once have I said I know anything about the situation in South Africa or Africa apart from to defend the BBC who report honestly to the point where they get banned from some countries. So go away and let the grown ups speak.
You really are having a laugh.The BBC news is just a biased bunch of raving hypocrites.Who just as I said are happy to celebrate the life of Mandela and which supports the typical government line,concerning the reverse racist idea,that while it’s good that the president of the US is an ethnic African,it wasn’t good by the same yardstick for South Africa and Rhodesia to have an ethnic European leadership.
I’ll believe the BBC isn’t biased when I see the leadership of the HNP and Pieter Moller allowed to put their side of the case on BBC news.
Harry Monk:
The only point I’ll make on this thread is that I find it bizarre that Nelson Mandela is so admired, and Robert Mugabe is so despised, when their politics and philosophies are near-identical, and this attitude seems to be based solely on the fact that one is more photogenic than the other.
I don’t think so Harry.It’s more a case of damage limitation in knowing that the whole bs reverse racist social engineering attempt blew up in their faces and having to admit to that twice instead of once would make the whole socialist scam untenable.Wether that be the removal of the Rhodesian and South African governments in favour of a bunch of savages on ethnic grounds,or putting an ethnic African in as president of the US based on the same reverse racist scam.
switchlogic:
The BBC dont support anyone. Everyone that says they do it talking rubbish. Its in their remit to be impartial in all matters and most of the time they succeed very well at that.
Are you being serious? Do you really think that the BBC is an impartial broadcaster rather than the propaganda arm of whichever UK Government is in power at the time?
When the BBC broadcasts the latest good news about the state of the UK economy, courtesy of the “Office for National Statistics”, can you really not see all of that for what it is, pre-election propaganda, a bit like Comrade Stalin celebrating the 5 millionth tractor to roll off of the assembly line circa 1950 when the whole of the Soviet Union was hungry?
The BBC is the sole reason you admire Mr Mandela, because that’s what they tell you to think and you gladly let them do your thinking for you.
I’ll refer you to what I’ve already said Carry old fruit, you clearly dont watch the BBC, you just gullibly just believe what the anti BBC propagandists spin you. Funny how they are usually large media organisations that compete with them. You can deny it all you like but you just reword the exact same stuff they pump out.
And lets face it, I bet you’ve been furiously searching for links where the BBC out and out support a side to post haven’t you? No success yet? Funny that
switchlogic:
I’ll refer you to what I’ve already said Carry old fruit, you clearly dont watch the BBC, you just gullibly just believe what the anti BBC propagandists spin you. Funny how they are usually large media organisations that compete with them. You can deny it all you like but you just reword the exact same stuff they pump out.
But still no answer to the issue of obviously no case having been allowed to be put forward on the BBC news by the ethnic European population of South Africa regarding the ‘success’ of Mandela’s life and legacy regarding his country.
While I don’t see that having been allowed by the cheap labour driven so called ‘anti’ BBC Tory press either.Being that,like their leader Cameron,they wouldn’t want to upset the Chinese Communist Party,who of course were one of Mandela’s main supporters.
It’s no surprise that discussions at this level of foreign affairs are probably a bit above your levels of understanding.
I would say the bbc has a more liberal bias than sky news or fox but out of any of the big english speaking news agancys its the most impartal.
Listening to bbc london on friday was a bit nauseating as they had 9 hours of eulogising Mandella on what is a local radio station.
That’s a war film, you ■■■■■■■ idiot. Not an analysis of Israeli history. It may surprise you to learn that I haven’t been “fed” anything; instead, I’ve done my own research (which did not involve a single fictional treatment) and made up my own mind. Some of us have the ability to do this, you see, instead of adopting all our opinions wholesale from Searchlight magazine.