Why don’t more wagon drivers move over onto the hard shoulder when it’s available? When I was taught to drive, I was taught to return to the left ASAP when not overtaking.
See plenty of car drivers using the hard shoulder when suitable, but for some reason lorry drivers don’t bother. Is it because you can’t be bothered? Like making your colleagues have to leave an empty lane, change lane twice just to get past you?
What’s the crack!?
claretmatt:
Why don’t more wagon drivers move over onto the hard shoulder when it’s available? When I was taught to drive, I was taught to return to the left ASAP when not overtaking.See plenty of car drivers using the hard shoulder when suitable, but for some reason lorry drivers don’t bother. Is it because you can’t be bothered? Like making your colleagues have to leave an empty lane, change lane twice just to get past you?
What’s the crack!?
I really don’t understand the logic ( if any ) of this post 
I actually feel bewildered 
Shouldn’t this be “mis-managed motorways”.
From my understanding the open hard shoulders do not go through junctions so moving LGVs to the left and then back to the right has to be moore unsafe than having them keep to mainly one lane
I think the idea of opening up the shoulders between junctions only is to allow those entering and leaving an easier way of merging with the usual lanes
If I am correct then I assume those intending to use the open shoulder to exit the motorway can pass those using what is the usual lane 1 on the nearside as being normal practise ■■?
Or have I got this set up all wrong?
ROG:
From my understanding the open hard shoulders do not go through junctions so moving LGVs to the left and then back to the right has to be moore unsafe than having them keep to mainly one laneI think the idea of opening up the shoulders between junctions only is to allow those entering and leaving an easier way of merging with the usual lanes
If I am correct then I assume those intending to use the open shoulder to exit the motorway can pass those using what is the usual lane 1 on the nearside as being normal practise ■■?
Or have I got this set up all wrong?
Only partially wrong Rog. Certain sections are set aside for people taking next exit, certain sections run straight through any junction. Tbh it varies according to the whim of the matrix operator.
There lies the problem though; you may travel a certain section say ten times and run through a junction, but on the eleventh time it’s marked up (usually 800 yards prior to the junction) as H/S for junc x only. Not too difficult to move to the right in a car, a pain in the 'arris to move a truck across into a row of bumper to bumper cars though.
That happens on the M6 at Brum.
Thanks for that insight
When these first came in our local IAM group had a speaker from those who run these things and it was stated that the idea was to accomodate those who entered at one junction and the left at the next from clogging up the main carriageway
If that is the idea and it appears a reasonable one, then it would help if there was publicity to that effect so everyone knows the rules.
i love these stretches of motorway where there are 4 lanes, it really confuses Mr Middle Lane…so he goes into lane 3 or 4 now, well out of my way… he can sit there all day with his mates while i cruise slowly by in lane 1… (naughty)
waddy640:
If that is the idea and it appears a reasonable one, then it would help if there was publicity to that effect so everyone knows the rules.
and while they’re at it, could someone explain to them the correct use of rear fogs…
Trukkertone:
waddy640:
If that is the idea and it appears a reasonable one, then it would help if there was publicity to that effect so everyone knows the rules.and while they’re at it, could someone explain to them the correct use of rear fogs…
And the front ones. I was followed by someone who had their fog lights on, I could see the lights on a TV mast about 30 miles away so visibility wasn’t that bad.
Easy way to remind drivers they have them on - a bleep every minute whilst they are in use
Noticed this on the M1 London bound yesterday , inside lane was empty even though the gantry lights displayed " congestion please use hard shoulder" nice run through for me …
A lot of the signs say “congestion use hard shoulder”, then when you move on to it the next sign says “hard shoulder for Junction # only”. Seeing as there are usually 50mph limits set when the hard shoulder is in use (meaning people slow down to 40mph) it hardly seems worth using the HS unless you are willing to do a bit of undertaking.
As for fog lights just leave them to it. Never once has someone switched their fogs off cos someone behind them has flashed. I’ve even seen cars switch them on in crystal clear conditions because the overhead gantry signs showed “FOG” 
the maoster:
ROG:
From my understanding the open hard shoulders do not go through junctions so moving LGVs to the left and then back to the right has to be moore unsafe than having them keep to mainly one laneI think the idea of opening up the shoulders between junctions only is to allow those entering and leaving an easier way of merging with the usual lanes
If I am correct then I assume those intending to use the open shoulder to exit the motorway can pass those using what is the usual lane 1 on the nearside as being normal practise ■■?
Or have I got this set up all wrong?
Only partially wrong Rog. Certain sections are set aside for people taking next exit, certain sections run straight through any junction. Tbh it varies according to the whim of the matrix operator.
There lies the problem though; you may travel a certain section say ten times and run through a junction, but on the eleventh time it’s marked up (usually 800 yards prior to the junction) as H/S for junc x only. Not too difficult to move to the right in a car, a pain in the 'arris to move a truck across into a row of bumper to bumper cars though.
[/quote]Sounds a bit hypocritical to me.I think you will find a lot of car drivers would say the same when trying to join a motorway from the slip road.
waddy640:
Shouldn’t this be “mis-managed motorways”.
Yes. It’s not uncommon to be instructed to use the hard shoulder and then be confronted by a red X on the next gantry and not be able to get out of that lane. Consequently I never use the hard shoulder even when available.
The soon to be fully operational section of Managed Motorway, M1 J10-13 will have permanent through junction running, so at J11, Toddy services and J12 the inside lane will be permantly a running lane. Not using a hard shoulder when it is open because you think it is for people coming on the motorway and leaving at the next junction means that M1 J12-13 and opposite means you are not moving to the left for over 10km, so the motorway might as well stay as three lanes and let everyone sit in the congestion. When I was taught to drive, cars, trucks and coaches, all my instructors taught me to keep left when ever possible. I assume that means even if it is just for 1km, it might mean someone can overtake you instead of having to sit behind you because they can’t pull out to pass you.
Now the safety of managed motorways and hard shoulder running is another matter!!! Apparently there have been no fatal or serious injury collisions on the M42 section.
I don’t think we will be saying the same for the M1 section this time next year. Hopefully I stand to be corrected.
It all boils down to driving considerately, something that is lacking on most roads these days.
albion1971:
the maoster:
ROG:
From my understanding the open hard shoulders do not go through junctions so moving LGVs to the left and then back to the right has to be moore unsafe than having them keep to mainly one laneI think the idea of opening up the shoulders between junctions only is to allow those entering and leaving an easier way of merging with the usual lanes
If I am correct then I assume those intending to use the open shoulder to exit the motorway can pass those using what is the usual lane 1 on the nearside as being normal practise ■■?
Or have I got this set up all wrong?
Only partially wrong Rog. Certain sections are set aside for people taking next exit, certain sections run straight through any junction. Tbh it varies according to the whim of the matrix operator.
There lies the problem though; you may travel a certain section say ten times and run through a junction, but on the eleventh time it’s marked up (usually 800 yards prior to the junction) as H/S for junc x only. Not too difficult to move to the right in a car, a pain in the 'arris to move a truck across into a row of bumper to bumper cars though.
[/quote]Sounds a bit hypocritical to me.I think you will find a lot of car drivers would say the same when trying to join a motorway from the slip road.
That’s probably quite true. But we aint talking cars are we?
I find however, that the name Trucknet is a slight clue that this is a forum for truck drivers, maybe you’d spend your time better on bicyclesrock.co.uk or perhaps iamabitterfaileddrivinginstructer.com. Oh, a little wink for you…
albion1971:
the maoster:
ROG:
From my understanding the open hard shoulders do not go through junctions so moving LGVs to the left and then back to the right has to be moore unsafe than having them keep to mainly one laneI think the idea of opening up the shoulders between junctions only is to allow those entering and leaving an easier way of merging with the usual lanes
If I am correct then I assume those intending to use the open shoulder to exit the motorway can pass those using what is the usual lane 1 on the nearside as being normal practise ■■?
Or have I got this set up all wrong?
Only partially wrong Rog. Certain sections are set aside for people taking next exit, certain sections run straight through any junction. Tbh it varies according to the whim of the matrix operator.
There lies the problem though; you may travel a certain section say ten times and run through a junction, but on the eleventh time it’s marked up (usually 800 yards prior to the junction) as H/S for junc x only. Not too difficult to move to the right in a car, a pain in the 'arris to move a truck across into a row of bumper to bumper cars though.
[/quote]Sounds a bit hypocritical to me.I think you will find a lot of car drivers would say the same when trying to join a motorway from the slip road.
I’ve not noticed car drivers having any difficulty forcing their way on to the main carriageway.
