Andrejs:
One british men who work for lorry drivers more for 20 years(10 years for internation distance).talk me as well who some time use magnets.when we drive here and do shift job,magnets not requared .but if people work for long distance and he park lorry, taked examply weekly rest 45 hours.but some time need moved lorry for louding/unlouding after 40 hours.put magnet.taxo stop.he can moved lorry for 100 yards.and weekly rest will be fine.
I dont see what the big deal about doing that is. Its nothing we dont do here on an almost daily basis on paper log books and its not dangerous, its not running bent, its just moving a vehicle a few meters down the road in the name of common sense and realism. Transport has way to many variables to be governed by rules and regulations better suited to robots and GPS guided machines, rather than human beings who drive trucks who often have no control how long they’re held up in an RDC and subsequently run out of hours on a door or a driver who’s weekended and wants to move the truck so he can go and get something to eat or get his clothes washed etc. Even the electronic logs here in Canada/USA that some companies now use allow you to move 2 miles “off card” before it changes its status to on duty and interrupts a rest period. 2 miles isn’t always enough but its a far greater level of common sense than the current EU joke where you can not even move an inch.
To me that was always the worst part of driving a truck in the UK/Europe, the minute you book off, you’re an absolute prisoner to the vehicle unless your parked in one of the very few places where there are facilities all at walking distance. As someone who used to get weekended quite often it made for a very grim existence being stuck for 24 or 45 hours in a lay-by, industrial estate or remote truckstop that closes at nights and sundays and the only realistic way of getting a shower, using the toilet and such like would have meant driving the truck a few miles down the road in to a town…but on, that would be criminal. Yet the rest of the world seem to manage letting their drivers do it without it causing chaos.
robinhood_1984:
I dont see what the big deal about doing that is. Its nothing we dont do here on an almost daily basis on paper log books and its not dangerous, its not running bent, its just moving a vehicle a few meters down the road in the name of common sense and realism. Transport has way to many variables to be governed by rules and regulations better suited to robots and GPS guided machines, rather than human beings who drive trucks who often have no control how long they’re held up in an RDC and subsequently run out of hours on a door or a driver who’s weekended and wants to move the truck so he can go and get something to eat or get his clothes washed etc. Even the electronic logs here in Canada/USA that some companies now use allow you to move 2 miles “off card” before it changes its status to on duty and interrupts a rest period. 2 miles isn’t always enough but its a far greater level of common sense than the current EU joke where you can not even move an inch.
To me that was always the worst part of driving a truck in the UK/Europe, the minute you book off, you’re an absolute prisoner to the vehicle unless your parked in one of the very few places where there are facilities all at walking distance. As someone who used to get weekended quite often it made for a very grim existence being stuck for 24 or 45 hours in a lay-by, industrial estate or remote truckstop that closes at nights and sundays and the only realistic way of getting a shower, using the toilet and such like would have meant driving the truck a few miles down the road in to a town…but on, that would be criminal. Yet the rest of the world seem to manage letting their drivers do it without it causing chaos.
Here here!
I am so happy since I moved back to driving sprinters! i can go look for food, for a shower, I can stop when I see fit and if I want I can drive more one day when I feel well and only few hours the next one, when my body tells me I am tired…
I am so happy since I moved back to driving sprinters! i can go look for food, for a shower, I can stop when I see fit and if I want I can drive more one day when I feel well and only few hours the next one, when my body tells me I am tired…
Same as driving in Canada/US almost. 13/11 hrs driving per day on a 16/14hr shift. No tacho foolishness making me behave like a machine and dance to its tune like a brain dead puppet without any real regard to my own welfare and safety. I dont know why the average British driver is so obsessed with living by and welcoming this EU driven nonsense when most of the rest of the Europeans just want to get on with their job, earn money and go home, rather than sit in a layby on a Friday night 15 miles from home patting them selves on the back for not running “bent” whist totting up all their POA and 17 week average crap. I know its all pie in the sky talk, but why cant transportation in Europe be governed by a common sense approach which could be put in to practice by the guy behind the wheel, so he didnt have to be a highway lawyer to understand it and go through his working life worried about trivial things that really dont matter but which none the less would encure massively disproportionate penalties if caught. Make it simple and keep it real.
some country in EU penalty if not keep tacho rules more strong for british.if we have rules,we must keep this ruls.but this rules little crazy.about weekly rest.if internation drivers sleep in lorry 40 45 lorry.he taked really rest.if drivers finish work friday.go home,after dring,pub,girls,wife,children and… and he come back to work monday(wekly rest about 50-55 hours).some time some driver will be more tired at the start shift at monday.And i not sure when driver more tired-friday(after 5 working day)or monday( after weekly rest).and this is any country in the world.
Magnet = big problem,man move truck 100 yards one day only 10 minutes then after a while its one day and 100 hundred miles, the hours are far to long now without jerks extending them with magnets.
i really cant understand this fixation with magnets,i know of alot more fiddling going on just by what data you input into digi tacho,i know drivers who say they do it as a fail safe to get back,but its just so they can do a 16/17 even 20 hr day,they get paid for it and after reading a while ago what a vosa chap said theyll never be caught[were not intrested what there -----says,just whats on there tacho,]i know some whove done it for years,ive yet to see this type of fiddling mention on any thing about hours fiddling,i think there that fixated on magnets,there missing out on a lot that goes on.
fuse:
Magnet = big problem,man move truck 100 yards one day only 10 minutes then after a while its one day and 100 hundred miles, the hours are far to long now without jerks extending them with magnets.
Your having a laugh arent you? Far too long? You can only drive 9 hours a day as it is, no wonder Great Britain is in such a ■■■■ state when peoples work ethic or lack of is like that. If the regulations reflecfted the real world of transport a little more realistically instead of pandering to work shy jobsworths then perhaps these evil rogue drivers would not commit such henious crimes like tipping/loading off card or getting home on a friday by going 15 minutes over
the tachograph laws are there to protect the driver from unscrupulous bosses who would otherwise have you driving round the clock till you dropped.if you are daft enough to work around the clock with an old magnet attached good luck,but just remember it aint you who is getting rich,he will probably be having a couple of newky browns in a whirlpool bath with his take away on order while you’re on your 18th hour ,ask yourself who’s the fool.
personally i would keep my nose out if i saw it but some foreign dude working round the would remind me of the 6 hours i sat on the m6 when one fell asleep and crashed into a car killing a mother,father and 2 kid’s (one was a baby).is it worth it when that could be on your conscience for the rest of your life.
FarnboroughBoy11:
Can this only be done on analogue trucks wheel nut or does is work with digi aswell? I’m not looking for tips just interesting the lengths people will go to run bent
It works with Digital, analogues are much easier to fiddle, allegedly.
I was also “told” the Transcontinental had a simple fix where the two drive cables joined apparently, many mechanics didn’t know they had to use 3 seals
Digitals dont need a seal they just log"error 47" but if your going to do magnets use rare earth units with 52 grade and it kills the magnetic pulser flux however newer units are shielded or use hall effect pulsers so
lets be “carefull out there”
switchlogic:
I’d just mind my own business. Which maybe people should do more often. What do you think would happen if you phoned VOSA anyway? Would their rapid response swat team arrive in 30 seconds and take him down?! No, they’d probably just say thank you for that, it’s been noted.
Chances are all he’s doing is tipping off the card, hardly the end of the world, and unlikely he’s gonna drive off and kill your family. Which I’ve always found a wonky excuse for sticking your nose in.
Totaly agree, His decision,his court case, his licence, his livlihood.his choice. Then the excuse there nicking our work, if the shoe was on the other foot, uk hauliers would do the same, haulage is haulage. Its always been cut throat and always will.Its not the Continentals who are screwing the industry, its the goverment.
i’ve been told vosa can tell when you’ve been running with a magnet - dont ask me how, i’ve only been told. the days of magnets will soon be over anyway, as most trucks these days are gay automatics i cant see them working very well if the truck doesnt know how fast your travelling and therefore wont know when to change gears for you!
The magnet goes on the sensor at the back of the gearbox near the prop and not just randomly placed on the gearbox casing itself, so i cant see how iron filing are going to do anything.
tonyb70:
Some people are saying it’s none of my business what he was doing,
Would you be saying that when he’s just ploughhed into the back of your car,while he’s been driving for the last 24 hours non stop■■?
People that can’t do the job legally shouldn’t be doing the job at all,in my opinion
My grandfather had a similar saying, “If you can’t do the job properly, then you shouldn’t be doing the job at all”. This is an attitude which I spent almost fifty years attempting to instil into various employers, employees and sundry workmates.
Thank goodness I’m now retired and able to give up trying! I’m still not sure how you equate risking huge fines, loss of licences and possibly loss of life with the possibility of earning maybe an extra tenner.
tonyb70:
Some people are saying it’s none of my business what he was doing,
Would you be saying that when he’s just ploughhed into the back of your car,while he’s been driving for the last 24 hours non stop■■?
People that can’t do the job legally shouldn’t be doing the job at all,in my opinion
My grandfather had a similar saying, “If you can’t do the job properly, then you shouldn’t be doing the job at all”. This is an attitude which I spent almost fifty years attempting to instil into various employers, employees and sundry workmates.
Thank goodness I’m now retired and able to give up trying! I’m still not sure how you equate risking huge fines, loss of licences and possibly loss of life with the possibility of earning maybe an extra tenner. We all know that some of the laws we have to put up with are ridiculous but they are still “laws” and as long as they are in place we have to abide by them. If we feel strongly enough that the laws should be changed we have the option to get them changed.
