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switchlogic:
Well now you know why British food, well meat and animal products at least, have such a high price. There’s plenty of things wrong with this country but we are world leaders in animal welfare. I only got into this debate because you seem to want to make out food in the UK is crap, when it’s clearly not the case. If you think food here is rubbish your shopping in the wrong places.

Well, I never told that food in UK is crap. I only say that you can buy the same quality food from Poland cheaper. And it is true both for low-end food, and for organic food which complies to highest standards (yes, believe or not, we have such food in Poland as well).

Come on now I only get involved if you say that Poland is better than the UK at something when I think it isn’t. I left you and Carryfast to your argument about who made the best planes or produced the best pilots during the second world war because I neither know or care.

Of course Poland must be better than us at something. Same as Italy is, or France, etc etc. I just think your view of our food is stuck in the 70’s when the prawn cocktail was seen as the height of fine cuisine. The quality of food we produce in this country is at an all time high. Many of the foods we produce are considered among the best in the world. For instance our beef is second to none and our artisan cheese producers are even rivalling France. But of course there’s plenty of stuff where other countries beat us by miles.

Of course I’ll challenge you if I think your wrong. I have no strong feelings about Poland either way. But if someone comes on here saying British food is rubbish then I’ll challenge them. Be they Italian or Spanish or Polish. If they come on here saying our motorways are crap then I might agree with them. Stop dragging everything to Poland all the time and everything will be fine.

orys:

switchlogic:
Don’t be so sure. Just because it’s labelled as being from somewhere doesn’t mean it’s from there.

if you label product as made in Poland and it comes from somewhere else, you are committing an offence. At least in Poland

Not true. It’s all about where it’s processed, so meat from Ireland can go to various European countries be butchered and packaged and labelled as being from the country/factory that processed it. Same as many other things, for instance baked goods, in the UK much of the egg products come from holland, but the end product will still be labelled with produced in UK. It s EU law so it’s the way it is in the EU. I’ve been around the food industry quite a long time now. All is not what it seems.

jimboy124:

Wheel Nut:

tonyb70:
where i work as a shunter,we get alot of foreign lorries in,
Tonight a lorry pulled in,but when he went to load he put a magnet underneath,i blatently saw him do it,
What would you do if you saw that happen?

Mind my own business unless I worked for VOSA or the BAG :unamused:

Coffeeholic and I concur …

likewise

Vascoingles:

jimboy124:

Wheel Nut:

tonyb70:
where i work as a shunter,we get alot of foreign lorries in,
Tonight a lorry pulled in,but when he went to load he put a magnet underneath,i blatently saw him do it,
What would you do if you saw that happen?

Mind my own business unless I worked for VOSA or the BAG :unamused:

Coffeeholic and I concur …

likewise

Getting back on topic I agree too

orys:
Well, I never told that food in UK is crap. I only say that you can buy the same quality food from Poland cheaper. And it is true both for low-end food, and for organic food which complies to highest standards (yes, believe or not, we have such food in Poland as well).

Surely this can`t be true, after you take into account the cost of travel from UK-Poland-UK

switchlogic:
Come on now I only get involved if you say that Poland is better than the UK at something when I think it isn’t.

Exactly in the same places, but opposite way, I get involved with defending Poland.

Of course Poland must be better than us at something. Same as Italy is, or France, etc etc.

Glad to hear that you have some common sense after all :wink:

I just think your view of our food is stuck in the 70’s when the prawn cocktail was seen as the height of fine cuisine. The quality of food we produce in this country is at an all time high.

No wonder, that you don’t know what REALLY GOOD food is :wink:

Many of the foods we produce are considered among the best in the world.

I wonder by whom - by all this British tourist who ask for fish and chips whenever they are?

For instance our beef is second to none and our artisan cheese producers are even rivalling France. But of course there’s plenty of stuff where other countries beat us by miles.

Ok, now I answer to you in more serious way:

This is true that some of the meat you produce is very good, just happened to read the article on beef and depends of rankings, you come first, second or third (Poland for example comes second, third and fifht). But be honest with me: how often do you eat the top of the top meat? I earn really good money and I can rarely afford the food from the top shelves.

Since you want to discuss it on a more serious matter: I am sure that if I go to the well recognized expensive restaurant I will have best quality food, no matter in what country that restaurant will be, but most of the people just eat everyday stuff. And here even if ingredients are good, the food is too processed.

Lets look at the example of bread:

Most people don’t eat some nice bread from the best bakeries, awarded with milions of awards worldwide even though I am sure that there are plenty of such bakeries in Britain. Most people stick to some cheap sliced bread from big factories (I am sorry, but somehow I cannot force myself to start calling them bakeries). And the product they get is far from the best what Britain has to offer. But they have no choice, as good bread costs several times more.

In Poland it is still not as industrialised as here. In Poland even the cheap bread (but not the cheapest, we already have these big factories in Poland!) It’s like the piramid of the bread is constructed differently. In Britain you will have 90% of the market dominated by cheap bread from the chemical plants, then you have few % of good bread and some small top of the really good stuff.

In Poland the top bread will also consist only few % of the market, but the range of good-yet-still-not-too-expensive bread will be much more, leaving only, say, 20% of market to the crappy products.

So this discussion about food is a bit off the track.
I try to explain what I mean on another exaple:
Britain has many restaurant recognied by the Michelin guide, Poland has not as many and only few have the highest rates.

But if you drive on British road and you don’t have few thousends to spend on the meal, you have a choice of pub food heated for you from frozen Woodwards products, some greasy burger vans or MSA “restaurants”. In Poland it is still much easier to eat a proper, good meal for a reasonable price.

So while I agree that you have some products which are the best of the world (and you will propably agree with me, that Poland have some too), from the point of view of average John in the pub, Poland has more to offer. Or Italy, or France, or Czech Republic for that matter.

Britain is briliant in many ways, but everyday food stuff is not one of them. And my British friends agree with me on that.

But if someone comes on here saying British food is rubbish then I’ll challenge them.

I am not saying that all British food is rubbish, just as I am not saying that all Polish food is brilliant. What I say is that if you have some certain amount of money to spend on food, you will get more (or better quality food) if you buy Polish, even here in UK. Off course this food will not be as good as the best food Britain has to offer, but it will be better than the british food you can buy for the same money.

And it’s not a rocket sience: in Poland ground is cheaper, fuel is cheaper, labour is cheaper and climate is more friendly for farming - this is why we are more agricultural country and why we can offer food cheaper. There is nothing about nationality in this.

If they come on here saying our motorways are crap then I might agree with them.

Well, they are still better than Polish ones, as we almost don’t have them :wink:

Stop dragging everything to Poland all the time and everything will be fine.

I am not dragging everything to Poland, unless you slag my country with no reason :wink:

nianiamh:

orys:
Well, I never told that food in UK is crap. I only say that you can buy the same quality food from Poland cheaper. And it is true both for low-end food, and for organic food which complies to highest standards (yes, believe or not, we have such food in Poland as well).

Surely this can`t be true, after you take into account the cost of travel from UK-Poland-UK

Boris and Vladimir in an ex Willi Betz Actros will do that trip for less than a cab ride home from the kebab house on a Friday night :laughing:

Clothes are also much cheaper in Poland, but they do use a lot of Nylon :laughing: :laughing:

nianiamh:
Surely this can`t be true, after you take into account the cost of travel from UK-Poland-UK

I am afraid it is true. Compare minimum wages, productions costs and average incomes of Polish and British farmers and you will have your answer how it is possible :wink:

newmercman:
Clothes are also much cheaper in Poland, but they do use a lot of Nylon :laughing: :laughing:

You are wrong on that one: clothes are often cheaper in UK.

There was a case recently that they opened GAP shop and under Polish price tags were UK price tags, and the clothes in Poland were up to 30% more expensive (and that’s before you compare average income).

My friends just started a business, they opened the shop with kids clothes imported from UK and they are doing well.

orys:

nianiamh:
Surely this can`t be true, after you take into account the cost of travel from UK-Poland-UK

I am afraid it is true. Compare minimum wages, productions costs and average incomes of Polish and British farmers and you will have your answer how it is possible :wink:

I am not a farmer so maybe the answer would not be the correct one for me, but if it did work out for me would i still have to que for bread when i get there :question:

nianiamh:
I am not a farmer so maybe the answer would not be the correct one for me, but if it did work out for me would i still have to que for bread when i get there :question:

I am not sure what you are asking about.

orys:
This is true that some of the meat you produce is very good, just happened to read the article on beef and depends of rankings, you come first, second or third (Poland for example comes second, third and fifht). But be honest with me: how often do you eat the top of the top meat? I earn really good money and I can rarely afford the food from the top shelves.

I’ll be honest with you I spend an insane about of money on food, up to 25% of my income some weeks. I’ll happily spend £10/15 on a steak, and that’s me cooking for myself as I rarely eat out. But of course most people don’t have that luxury. And it’s the reason I have no savings and a big overdraft! But I just love food more than anything. So ok, I’ll concede that’s it’s probably easier to eat well cheaply in Poland. Although Jamie Oliver has proved in recent years it’s possible to eat well cheaply. It just takes more effort, which a lot of people are not prepared to put in. Maybe people in Poland cook from scratch more often. We get the food we want and in the UK a lot of people want cheap fast meals, unfortunately.

As for Polish beef I honestly have no idea, I’ve never even seen it. Unless it was labelled as British because it was processed here!

Coffeeholic:
I’m confused. Are the magnets made in Poland or Britain?

, They are poles apart

Only if they’re ‘like’ poles :smiley:

switchlogic:
I’ll be honest with you I spend an insane about of money on food, up to 25% of my income some weeks. I’ll happily spend £10/15 on a steak, and that’s me cooking for myself as I rarely eat out. But of course most people don’t have that luxury. And it’s the reason I have no savings and a big overdraft! But I just love food more than anything. So ok, I’ll concede that’s it’s probably easier to eat well cheaply in Poland. Although Jamie Oliver has proved in recent years it’s possible to eat well cheaply. It just takes more effort, which a lot of people are not prepared to put in. Maybe people in Poland cook from scratch more often. We get the food we want and in the UK a lot of people want cheap fast meals, unfortunately.

I guess that brings us to the conclusion - we now understand each other and agree on some facts, which is good. I have to tell I can’t afford 15 quid on steak, so lucky you. (maybe this is the reason why I have some savings :stuck_out_tongue:) And it is true, Polish people (not only in Poland) cook from scratch more often. I don’t cook from scratch, as I am a terrible chief :stuck_out_tongue: but still I try to cook using some pre-processed ingredients as much close to unprocessed food as possible.

But the cooking at home in Poland means a huge savings while here in UK I can stuff myself with take away food for about the same price as it will cost me to cook something at home. I guess it is the reason why this food is so popular…

So, enjoy your dinner today, and I am just going to fry my Polish sausage with potatoes and some frozen vegetables. It might not be as good as yout £15 steak, but for 3.70 for two of them it will be much better than British one I can buy for the same money :wink:

So now back to magnets safely :wink: I have to say that I am really glad that we finally agreed on something :wink:

I prefer to use local suppliers but I had Winiary Beetroot soup for lunch

Wheel Nut:

Coffeeholic:
I’m confused. Are the magnets made in Poland or Britain?

, They are poles apart

North or South Pole :question:

And do opposite poles attract :question: or is it a myth :question: :laughing:

I can only afford mince meat but had I saw this act I would have been onto VOSA, That truck shares the road with me .my fam and friends ,

One british men who work for lorry drivers more for 20 years(10 years for internation distance).talk me as well who some time use magnets.when we drive here and do shift job,magnets not requared .but if people work for long distance and he park lorry, taked examply weekly rest 45 hours.but some time need moved lorry for louding/unlouding after 40 hours.put magnet.taxo stop.he can moved lorry for 100 yards.and weekly rest will be fine.