Shame that the beleeding hearts don’t show the same level of concern those that already live hear
doesn’t your concern for the old and ill make you also a bleeding heart? Albeit just for the homegrown needy.
BillyHunt:
Ah the national ID card, what a good idea that is. Didn’t we try to introduce it here a few years ago? I seem to remember it getting binned as it threatened our human rights, or some such pish anyway. Looks a good plan now though don’t you think.
I don’t see anything inhumane in ID cards. Government agencies have all the access to our personal info, banks do, insurance companies do, landlords do. Heck CCTV are everywhere, this info is in the passports and DL.
The advantage of national ID cards are many and I really don’t understand why Brits refuse to have it. For example the ID card is proof of identity, its proof of nationality does proof of work eligibility, proof of address, proof of NHS number(Bulgarian equivalent), cost 9 euro and is valid for 10 years, I can travel in the whole EU with it.
When I want to open bank account, the ID card is all in one - proof of identity, proof of nationality-eligibility, proof of address. No need of expensive passport, bills, birth certificate etc.
If I’m stopped by police I produce ID card, I’m check and if everything is OK I’m gone.
ID card for immigrants and EU nationals living in Bulgaria have different color and signs, easily recognized by police.
Simple and effective.
Dolph:
BillyHunt:
Ah the national ID card, what a good idea that is. Didn’t we try to introduce it here a few years ago? I seem to remember it getting binned as it threatened our human rights, or some such pish anyway. Looks a good plan now though don’t you think.I don’t see anything inhumane in ID cards. Government agencies have all the access to our personal info, banks do, insurance companies do, landlords do. Heck CCTV are everywhere, this info is in the passports and DL.
The advantage of national ID cards are many and I really don’t understand why Brits refuse to have it. For example the ID card is proof of identity, its proof of nationality does proof of work eligibility, proof of address, proof of NHS number(Bulgarian equivalent), cost 9 euro and is valid for 10 years, I can travel in the whole EU with it.
When I want to open bank account, the ID card is all in one - proof of identity, proof of nationality-eligibility, proof of address. No need of expensive passport, bills, birth certificate etc.
If I’m stopped by police I produce ID card, I’m check and if everything is OK I’m gone.
ID card for immigrants and EU nationals living in Bulgaria have different color and signs, easily recognized by police.
Simple and effective.
I’m all in favour of ID cards, I had one in the army for years, and never saw any problem in everyone being issued with one. The way people in this country kicked off about them though consigned them to the dustbin.
Carryfast:
tommy t:
Bach home:
Would you still shout for a cull if someone suggested culling you and your dearests?Who’s going to that then? and why would they?
I highlighted some of the serious problems with government that wont ever change, and having a cull would be the cheapest way of dealing with it, after all the government are squeaky clean , their benefit cuts aren’t killing people are they? they wont even reveal the numbers following serveral FOI requests and even a petitionhttp://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/benefit-cuts-deaths-time-iain-6177882?utm_source=change_org&utm_medium=petition this is what they are doing to their own people who where born here, they make me sick and ashamed to be english no way do i regard myself as British Shame that the beleeding hearts don’t show the same level of concern those that already live hear, oh yeah they where part of this attack against the poor and sick
The Mirror is just a typical load of hypocritical socialist pro immigration bs.In which they’ll be moaning about Cameron not ‘doing something’ about the results of our over loaded social costs environment,caused by immigration and the low wage economy and resulting shortfall in tax revenues on one page.Then on the next they’ll be calling people like Le Pen nazis for their anti immigration stance.
No, the mirror only picked up on this recently the demand that IDS reveals the number of those who have died as a result of their cuts has been ongoing for at least 12mths, and is there any uk mainstream media that isn’t pro immigration ? they all report the same bs
Carryfast:
desypete:
one thing i do like about the french people is they will stand up and be counted and if they do let all the immigrants into dover as there threateninwell if they do let them in i hope they send them to where billy hunt lives let him have to feed them and share his wealth with them i am sure he wouldn’t mind one bit.
If I’ve read it right he already seems to have made it clear that he is all for letting them in just so long as they are all kept in the South East and not sent to build themselves some new towns in the barren underpopulated Norf.
You read correctly, they don’t want to come to the north they want the bright lights, the leafy suburbs, and I think that’s what they should get. They’re happy, we up here are happy & we don’t care if you’re happy or not. 
tommy t:
The Mirror is just a typical load of hypocritical socialist pro immigration bs.In which they’ll be moaning about Cameron not ‘doing something’ about the results of our over loaded social costs environment,caused by immigration and the low wage economy and resulting shortfall in tax revenues on one page.Then on the next they’ll be calling people like Le Pen nazis for their anti immigration stance.
No, the mirror only picked up on this recently the demand that IDS reveals the number of those who have died as a result of their cuts has been ongoing for at least 12mths, and is there any uk mainstream media that isn’t pro immigration ? they all report the same bs
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As I said the Mirror and its Socialist followers conveniently ignoring the link between the cuts v what is an unsustainable foreign aid exercise.In the form of our open door immigration policy.Which is creating the excess demand for social spending while at the same time putting downward pressure on wage rates and therefore tax revenues.In addition to the structural debts caused by our trade deficit in having closed too much of our industry in favour of imports within the global free market.
All because the Socialist mindset is still stuck with the bs idea that we’ll all be better off without national borders.In which the working class/poor of the world all unite as one and if that means giving them our jobs and/or moving as many of them as possible here,as an erroneous wealth redistrubution exercise,that’s even better in their view.
As opposed to the policies of people like Le Pen,who as I said,the aforementioned Socialist nutters view as nazis. 
BillyHunt:
Carryfast:
desypete:
well if they do let them in i hope they send them to where billy hunt lives let him have to feed them and share his wealth with them i am sure he wouldn’t mind one bit.If I’ve read it right he already seems to have made it clear that he is all for letting them in just so long as they are all kept in the South East and not sent to build themselves some new towns in the barren underpopulated Norf.
You read correctly, we up here are happy & we don’t care if you’re happy or not.
Great.You are making a better argument against the hypocritical views of the pro immigration agenda than even Farage has so far managed. 
The difference being only a few will read this & im not pretending to be the saviour of the UK, just someone that likes to yank your chain now & again.
Carryfast:
BillyHunt:
Carryfast:
desypete:
well if they do let them in i hope they send them to where billy hunt lives let him have to feed them and share his wealth with them i am sure he wouldn’t mind one bit.If I’ve read it right he already seems to have made it clear that he is all for letting them in just so long as they are all kept in the South East and not sent to build themselves some new towns in the barren underpopulated Norf.
You read correctly, we up here are happy & we don’t care if you’re happy or not.
Great.You are making a better argument against the hypocritical views of the pro immigration agenda than even Farage has so far managed.
Go to any farm in Kent, and you’ll find “Sheds with Beds” immigrant workers. Even if all of these are “legal”, they are costing the state a fortune in top-up benefits.
There’s not much point the new arrivals buggering off up north, as there isn’t even any work there for THEIR locals which unlike us southerners, ARE prepared to work for mickey mouse money.
I never quite understood the “working pride” thing where you’d rather work 60 hours for less money. Down south, we just opt for the “most money” option - whichever that is.
Crap wages puts more people off crap jobs than the actual crapiness of the job does.
A £15ph sewage driver’s job will fly out of the door when advertised.
A £9ph multidrop delivery drivers will just languish on the advert board for weeks and weeks…
del949:
Shame that the beleeding hearts don’t show the same level of concern those that already live hear
doesn’t your concern for the old and ill make you also a bleeding heart? Albeit just for the homegrown needy.
I never said we shouldn’t look after our own, or not have a safety net, if you are ever too ill to work or are made redundant ect and the point i was making is that whilst our own get treated unfairly these imports are getting a better deal that is seriously wrong, Also some of those currently on benefits have worked & paid into the pot,so why shouldn’t they be able to claim ?
Surely the point is that claiming asylum is the act of leaving one’s own country for reasons relating to fear for yourself or your family. So these are migrants, not asylum seekers.
These people are in fear of nothing, except missing out on ‘soft touch’ Britain and all that has to offer in the shape of luxury (to them) housing and free money handouts. This we cannot afford.
If they are offered nothing at all, then they will lose all interest in coming here. It’s time to stop pretending we can solve all the world’s problems, and focus on the poor folk that are actually British and here already.
Behave like this in a lot of countries in the world, you’d be shot first and questions asked later… 
Slightly off topic but, it is little wonder why the uk is so[zb] , unemployment down is is ,really? EU pays jobless migrants to come to Britain
So the tory toffs a got a grip on the situation have they, i smell bs Kent pays migrant kids' £150 Dover-to-London cab fare due to lack of local foster homes
Just make sure you write this on your CMR! 
" SAID TO CONTAIN " xxxxx amount of illegal immigrants and this too " LOADED BY THREE DODGY/ FIXER TYPES " at £5000 
an immigrant! Lol so when you get back to Blighty your £3000 up per head.
Dolph:
BillyHunt:
Ah the national ID card, what a good idea that is. Didn’t we try to introduce it here a few years ago? I seem to remember it getting binned as it threatened our human rights, or some such pish anyway. Looks a good plan now though don’t you think.I don’t see anything inhumane in ID cards. Government agencies have all the access to our personal info, banks do, insurance companies do, landlords do. Heck CCTV are everywhere, this info is in the passports and DL.
The advantage of national ID cards are many and I really don’t understand why Brits refuse to have it. For example the ID card is proof of identity, its proof of nationality does proof of work eligibility, proof of address, proof of NHS number(Bulgarian equivalent), cost 9 euro and is valid for 10 years, I can travel in the whole EU with it.
When I want to open bank account, the ID card is all in one - proof of identity, proof of nationality-eligibility, proof of address. No need of expensive passport, bills, birth certificate etc.
If I’m stopped by police I produce ID card, I’m check and if everything is OK I’m gone.
ID card for immigrants and EU nationals living in Bulgaria have different color and signs, easily recognized by police.
Simple and effective.
Great idea, if it can’t be forged by a determined counterfeiter…
Imagine how easily it would be to commit serious ID theft - IF you could make an ID card that was taken for genuine everywhere you went?
You could break laws without fear of the authorities, open up loan accounts in someone elses’s name, and disappear with the money, or even get a flash car on HP and export it along with yourself!
I think the Civil Liberties lobby were more concerned about how much easier it would be to steal someone’s ID once it was all nicely in one place on a single card…
I don’t think anyone is seriously against the idea of having a curfew for non-card carriers though.
Imagine if the police started chucking people out on a friday night for vagrancy - because they didn’t have their card?
I reckon the card should only be accepted with something else like a utility bill or most recent payslip… When I go and get my parking permit renewed, they don’t like “paper” things that can be forged, but DO like the less popular things that refer to accounts in that person’s name. Chequebooks, Paper Counterparts, & Birth certificates are OUT whereas Landline bills (NOT mobile bills), Actual paper bank statements, and your payslip for this week in particular - are IN.
Winseer:
Dolph:
BillyHunt:
Ah the national ID card, what a good idea that is. Didn’t we try to introduce it here a few years ago? I seem to remember it getting binned as it threatened our human rights, or some such pish anyway. Looks a good plan now though don’t you think.I don’t see anything inhumane in ID cards. Government agencies have all the access to our personal info, banks do, insurance companies do, landlords do. Heck CCTV are everywhere, this info is in the passports and DL.
The advantage of national ID cards are many and I really don’t understand why Brits refuse to have it. For example the ID card is proof of identity, its proof of nationality does proof of work eligibility, proof of address, proof of NHS number(Bulgarian equivalent), cost 9 euro and is valid for 10 years, I can travel in the whole EU with it.
When I want to open bank account, the ID card is all in one - proof of identity, proof of nationality-eligibility, proof of address. No need of expensive passport, bills, birth certificate etc.
If I’m stopped by police I produce ID card, I’m check and if everything is OK I’m gone.
ID card for immigrants and EU nationals living in Bulgaria have different color and signs, easily recognized by police.
Simple and effective.Great idea, if it can’t be forged by a determined counterfeiter…
Imagine how easily it would be to commit serious ID theft - IF you could make an ID card that was taken for genuine everywhere you went?
You could break laws without fear of the authorities, open up loan accounts in someone elses’s name, and disappear with the money, or even get a flash car on HP and export it along with yourself!
I think the Civil Liberties lobby were more concerned about how much easier it would be to steal someone’s ID once it was all nicely in one place on a single card…
I don’t think anyone is seriously against the idea of having a curfew for non-card carriers though.Imagine if the police started chucking people out on a friday night for vagrancy - because they didn’t have their card?
I reckon the card should only be accepted with something else like a utility bill or most recent payslip… When I go and get my parking permit renewed, they don’t like “paper” things that can be forged, but DO like the less popular things that refer to accounts in that person’s name. Chequebooks, Paper Counterparts, & Birth certificates are OUT whereas Landline bills (NOT mobile bills), Actual paper bank statements, and your payslip for this week in particular - are IN.
It doesn’t matter if someone stills it, as soon as you went in the near by police station and declare you ID card stolen is going to pop out as fake when checked by anyone - if they try to get loan or buy car on you name. If someone buys car, they can not register it, because the cars are registered only at traffic police station and the ID of the person is checked. Even though the dealership is going to check your info and picture.
Also on the web site of Ministry of Interior you can check if an ID, DL or Passport are genuine.
And don’t forget that ID cards in countries with history of them have become very well fake proof, at least our are very well made.
Man who makes one man stand against the CPC admires the French. Priceless.
Who like to “stand up and be counted”. They didn’t stand up too well 75 years ago Pete, did they?
eagerbeaver:
Man who makes one man stand against the CPC admires the French. Priceless.Who like to “stand up and be counted”. They didn’t stand up too well 75 years ago Pete, did they?
Cheap shot but true 
Bach home:
eagerbeaver:
Man who makes one man stand against the CPC admires the French. Priceless.Who like to “stand up and be counted”. They didn’t stand up too well 75 years ago Pete, did they?
Cheap shot but true
oui! OUI! We surrender! cheap shot? Don’t think they cocked their 303s met an Italian the other day! " says it was great in the war, on the beach! " lol lazy ■■■■■
eagerbeaver:
Man who makes one man stand against the CPC admires the French. Priceless.Who like to “stand up and be counted”. They didn’t stand up too well 75 years ago Pete, did they?
i think you find they have stood up well for themselves over the years, they would put you to shame as what do you ever stand up for ?
desypete:
eagerbeaver:
Man who makes one man stand against the CPC admires the French. Priceless.Who like to “stand up and be counted”. They didn’t stand up too well 75 years ago Pete, did they?
i think you find they have stood up well for themselves over the years, they would put you to shame as what do you ever stand up for ?
brittonpublishers.com/Files/ … _Lille.pdf
Let’s just say that if they can get Le Pen into power they’ll have more than made up for the catastrophic mistake in not staying out of it in 1914. 
