albion1971:
stevieboy308:
Rob K:
stevieboy308:
albion1971:
Just in general terms, the driver who hits into the back of someone usually gets the blame but like you say other drivers actions sometimes make this unavoidable.
Sorry do not agree.If a vehicle keeps a safe distance at all times it would be highly unlikely or very unusual circumstances where an accident would occur.
Unfortunately nowadays a lot of drivers perception of a safe distance is way off.
so no one has ever changed lanes / pulled out of a side road in front of you robbing your safe distance? and if they do with a resulting crash, you’ll be happy to take the blame?
one of my near misses was when traveling along a dual carriageway, it’s pitch black, the next exit is signed but can’t see it yet, i’m gaining on a car so pull out to overtake it with plenty of room, the car indicates and pulls into the layby, i start coming back across into lane 1. once i’m within 20 / 30 ft of the car now doing about 15 / 20mph, i’m guessing the car then realised he’d come off into a layby and not the slip road just goes to pull back onto the carriageway. luckily enough my horn got the reaction i wanted along with me getting over towards the white line. had it not the front left of my truck and the rear right of the car would’ve looked like the vehicles in this thread. i’m not saying that is the case here, but it’s a possibility.
Shocking driving! You should be hung, drawn and quartered! Call yourself a professional! You should have seen that happening from 13 miles away!
Signed,
DC Albion.
so i’ll ask you again albian, someone changed lanes / pulled out of a side road in front of you robbing your safe distance? and if they do with a resulting crash, you’ll be happy to take the blame?
Why take the mick? Of course drivers have pulled out in front of me.Of course drivers have pulled out of side roads but I don’t do what some drivers do and keep on the gas.I ease off as soon as I see them making the move and wait to maintain a safe distance again.
Regarding your scenario why did you not just stay out in lane 2 until you were well passed the car and the layby making it impossible for that to happen?
You were doing 15/20 mph on a dual carriageway? Sounds dodgy to me!
i’m not taking the mick.
right, despite your cat like reactions, there is still a crash - you can’t avoid everything, the aftermath photo is of you rear ending someone, are you happy to take the blame?
maybe i didn’t make it clear, it was the car traveling at 15 / 20 mph as it came to the end of the layby and started to come back onto the carriageway, i was being badass and doing 56 on a dual carriageway 
that’s the thing about experience, you learn from it, it will always be in my head in that type of scenario, but it doesn’t take long for someone to decide you’re staying out too long and start to undertake you, so a new problem is starting.
and what do you suggest in the case of a mile long slip road as in this thread, stay out in lane 2 incase someone pulls into lane 1 without looking?
and i agree with john about leaving too big of a gap, as it invites people in.
3300John:
Dieseldoforme:
3300John:
Hiya… if only the crash barrier had been longer the van may have
stayed upright unless it tipped over by the impact.
John
If only.
Nothing to do with the Hen Party Crash - but I would like to see an
experiment with double white lines on the final 200 metres before
any motorway exit slip road, between Lanes One and Two.
hiya in france they have a simular idea to that on there fast roads(only 2 lanes).
when you get near the start of a off slip road, there’s a solid white line to stop (well try)
cars and lorries changeing lanes near the juction. the idea is to make sure vehicles are in lane
in good time… most drivers use the idea properley.
then their are some driver’s who do the same as the fancy line on the M6 near juction 6.
take no notice of it, then swerve off at the last moment from lane 2 across the chevrons
and risk a crash…I have seen people are saying lgv’s should be restricted to lane 1, do they realize
the idea of motorways was to keep lorries from town’s and city’s. well thats before every tom ■■■■
and harry had a car to drive.
John
I think in this case it’s more the issue of confusion caused by the type and placement of the direction signs.Without doing what the French do at least in regards to seperating the colour coding of directions leading to motorway exits the idea of using solid lines,to seperate the lanes leading to the exits,would just be a case of trying to deal with the symptoms not the cause.I’ve actually posted an example which shows that in France the priority is put on sperating the direction identification between motorway continuation and exit slip roads,rather than lane markings,which in similar cases to this one of a seperate slip road lane also usually just use closer broken line markings.
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Cat like reactions? You are the one being stroppy…Why can’t you avoid everything? I have never had an accident while driving professionally(36years) Some near misses but never hit any other vehicle and I know plenty other drivers that have the same record.I also know plenty that have have bumps all the time.
The chances are if I rear ended someone it would be my fault and yes I would take the blame.
Who said anything about leaving too big a gap? The gap I always leave is a safe traveling distance from the vehicle in front.If someone jumps in that gap then I ease off.
I have lost count of how many times I have heard that excuse for not keeping a safe distance.Just as a matter of interest how big a gap would you leave in dry conditions traveling at 50mph? What percentage of truck drivers do you reckon keep a safe distance?
You are correct about one thing though…you learn from experience and anyone that thinks they know it all or it will never happen to them is usually a bad driver.
albion1971:
Cat like reactions? You are the one being stroppy…Why can’t you avoid everything? I have never had an accident while driving professionally(36years) Some near misses but never hit any other vehicle and I know plenty other drivers that have the same record.I also know plenty that have have bumps all the time.
The chances are if I rear ended someone it would be my fault and yes I would take the blame.
Who said anything about leaving too big a gap? The gap I always leave is a safe traveling distance from the vehicle in front.If someone jumps in that gap then I ease off.
I have lost count of how many times I have heard that excuse for not keeping a safe distance.Just as a matter of interest how big a gap would you leave in dry conditions traveling at 50mph?
You are correct about one thing though…you learn from experience and anyone that thinks they know it all or it will never happen to them is usually a bad driver.
Well it’s obvious people can’t avoid everything as you say otherwise these accidents wouldn’t happen.
Well it’s obvious people can’t avoid everything as you say otherwise these accidents wouldn’t happen.
You are right it is blatantly obvious by the way some drive that they are accidents waiting to happen.
albion1971:
Cat like reactions? You are the one being stroppy…Why can’t you avoid everything? I have never had an accident while driving professionally(36years) Some near misses but never hit any other vehicle and I know plenty other drivers that have the same record.I also know plenty that have have bumps all the time.
The chances are if I rear ended someone it would be my fault and yes I would take the blame.
Who said anything about leaving too big a gap? The gap I always leave is a safe traveling distance from the vehicle in front.If someone jumps in that gap then I ease off.
I have lost count of how many times I have heard that excuse for not keeping a safe distance.Just as a matter of interest how big a gap would you leave in dry conditions traveling at 50mph?
You are correct about one thing though…you learn from experience and anyone that thinks they know it all or it will never happen to them is usually a bad driver.
For the umpteenth time there’s a big difference between leaving a safe speration distance to traffic that’s running in the same lane ahead of you as opposed to the situation in which someone makes a lane change into your path at a point in time and at a distance and with a speed differential that means you’ve got no chance of doing anything about it.Especially if they do that and then brake increasing the speed diiferential even more.
As for the bs excuse of not leaving a decent seperation distance behind traffic that’s ahead of you because someone will often fill the gap that’s a different matter.In which case you’re absolutely correct in that case you have to back off to maintain the seperation distance.
However all of your arguments in this case seem to be based on the possibly erroneous scenario that the truck driver was follwing the mini bus which was ahead of him in lane 1 and for whatever reason ran into the back of it and/or on that flawed idea that it’s impossible to run into something ahead regardless of the circumstances.When the severity of the impact,and the fact the truck seems to have been at least largely in lane 2 at the time of impact,suggests that this was possibly one of those circumstances of a vehicle getting into the path of the truck at a point in time and distance and at a speed which made the collision inevitable.
Like mine your driving record might not always have been a case of good judgement,it might also have been a case of good luck,in not being unlucky enough to find yourself in the situation,of someone getting in your path,at a distance and with a speed differential which would have left you with no other option but to do your best to avoid the inevitable impact.
Hiya… i was put onto an driver awareness course when i started at one firm…you had to start from scratch
like check lorry for 20 mins and go from their. the chap asked what distance did i keep between the vehicle
in front and myself. i told him roughly 2 lamp posts going down the M6 (anywhere really)… his reply was
TWO SECONDS…make a marker and try to keep the 2 second rule…wow i thought i was nuts(and penlty of
others would agree) thats a stupid rule it was 3/4 of my distance. who come up with that time is crazy…
I must tell you i got a gold star award.
John
The Hen Party Coach must have left South Kirby, joined the A1 North and
then filtered onto the M62 West at Junction 32A.
That used to be part of my regular run, just over one year a go.
I’m sure that the road layout and markings have changed in more recent times.
Am I right in thinking that if you now head towards the M62 West from
the A1 North and remain in the extreme left hand lane (without changing lanes)
you wouldn’t actually touch the M62 but would end up on the exit slip of Junction 32
for Pontefract, where the Minicoach came to rest ?
3300John:
. . . you had to start from scratch like check lorry for 20 mins . . .
John
My last firm made us do that and we had to show it as “Other Work” on the
digi tacho or we couldn’t leave the yard.
. . . We were all scratching our arses for the last 15 minutes !
Dieseldoforme:
Am I right in thinking that if you now head towards the M62 West from
the A1 North and remain in the extreme left hand lane (without changing lanes)
you wouldn’t actually touch the M62 but would end up on the exit slip of Junction 32
for Pontefract, where the Minicoach came to rest ?
That seems obvious going by the road layout and signs.The issue is what happens if/when some idiot uses those direction signs to make the required lane change for the M62 at around that point having confused,missed or ignored the ones previously. 
Carryfast:
3300John:
Hiya… i was put onto an driver awareness course when i started at one firm…you had to start from scratch
like check lorry for 20 mins and go from their. the chap asked what distance did i keep between the vehicle
in front and myself. i told him roughly 2 lamp posts going down the M6 (anywhere really)… his reply was
TWO SECONDS…make a marker and try to keep the 2 second rule…wow i thought i was nuts(and penlty of
others would agree) thats a stupid rule it was 3/4 of my distance. who come up with that time is crazy…
I must tell you i got a gold star award.
John
- 1
2 seconds being considered as sufficient seperation distance is a joke.Just like putting motorway direction signs close to exit slip roads and making them all the same colours. 
+2 Now we are starting to talk some sense.The way the 2 second rule is advertised and talked about seems to confuse many drivers.
The 2 second rule is a MINIMUM traveling distance for an alert car driver in good conditions.
Obviously a truck needs much more.A MINIMUM of 4 for an alert driver in good conditions.
Ideally you should leave a lot more but a lot of drivers seem intent on huddling far too close together leaving no room for error.
Drivers seem to think if they stick to the 2 second rule they are ok whether it be dry wet or foggy!!!
albion1971:
Carryfast:
3300John:
Hiya… i was put onto an driver awareness course when i started at one firm…you had to start from scratch
like check lorry for 20 mins and go from their. the chap asked what distance did i keep between the vehicle
in front and myself. i told him roughly 2 lamp posts going down the M6 (anywhere really)… his reply was
TWO SECONDS…make a marker and try to keep the 2 second rule…wow i thought i was nuts(and penlty of
others would agree) thats a stupid rule it was 3/4 of my distance. who come up with that time is crazy…
I must tell you i got a gold star award.
John
- 1
2 seconds being considered as sufficient seperation distance is a joke.Just like putting motorway direction signs close to exit slip roads and making them all the same colours.
+2 Now we are starting to talk some sense.The way the 2 second rule is advertised and talked about seems to confuse many drivers.
The 2 second rule is a MINIMUM traveling distance for an alert car driver in good conditions.
Obviously a truck needs much more.A MINIMUM of 4 for an alert driver in good conditions.
Drivers seem to think if they stick to the 2 second rule they are ok whether it be dry wet or foggy!!!
It’s at least 10 seconds for a truck in wet conditions. Or it should be I feel.
albion1971:
Carryfast:
3300John:
Hiya… i was put onto an driver awareness course when i started at one firm…you had to start from scratch
like check lorry for 20 mins and go from their. the chap asked what distance did i keep between the vehicle
in front and myself. i told him roughly 2 lamp posts going down the M6 (anywhere really)… his reply was
TWO SECONDS…make a marker and try to keep the 2 second rule…wow i thought i was nuts(and penlty of
others would agree) thats a stupid rule it was 3/4 of my distance. who come up with that time is crazy…
I must tell you i got a gold star award.
John
- 1
2 seconds being considered as sufficient seperation distance is a joke.Just like putting motorway direction signs close to exit slip roads and making them all the same colours.
+2 Now we are starting to talk some sense.The way the 2 second rule is advertised and talked about seems to confuse many drivers.
The 2 second rule is a MINIMUM traveling distance for an alert car driver in good conditions.
Obviously a truck needs much more.A MINIMUM of 4 for an alert driver in good conditions.
Drivers seem to think if they stick to the 2 second rule they are ok whether it be dry wet or foggy!!!
You need at least enough room to be able to read the road ahead of the vehicle you’re following and to be able to stop with loads of room to spare assuming it makes an emergency stop regardless of the reason and then add some more to make sure.
Carryfast:
The issue is what happens if/when some idiot uses those direction signs
to make the required lane change for the M62 at around that point having
confused, missed or ignored the ones previously.
If they are a Professional Driver then they will remain on the slip road and
rejoin the motorway on the other side of the motorway roundabout.
As you are referring to “some idiot”, then, sooner or later, they will
pay a heavy price.
Hiya i’ve been of the big stuff for years now(apart from my playtoy) isnt that lane going off to pontefract
a forth lane from where the Leeds loop comes in from the north■■? so thats where the traffic goes from 4 lanes to 3.
John
Carryfast:
That seems obvious going by the road layout and signs.
No it isn’t so obvious.
I’m asking if someone going from the A1 North to the M62 West would
have to physically change lanes to be on the J32 exit slip or would they automatically
be on the J32 exit slip if they kept in the same lane throughout the manoevre.
If the latter is true then it hasn’t always been like that.
Dieseldoforme:
Carryfast:
The issue is what happens if/when some idiot uses those direction signs
to make the required lane change for the M62 at around that point having
confused, missed or ignored the ones previously.
If they are a Professional Driver then they will remain on the slip road and
rejoin the motorway on the other side of the motorway roundabout.
As you are referring to “some idiot”, then, sooner or later, they will
pay a heavy price.
In which case it seems obvious that whoever decided that it’s ok to put motorway direction signs that close to an exit slip road is at least as much of an idiot as the type of driver who would make a lane change according to the directions given on them. 
Dieseldoforme:
Carryfast:
That seems obvious going by the road layout and signs.
No it isn’t so obvious.
I’m asking if someone going from the A1 North to the M62 West would
have to physically change lanes to be on the J32 exit slip or would they automatically
be on the J32 exit slip if they kept in the same lane throughout the manoevre.
If the latter is true then it hasn’t always been like that.
Yes, travelling in the direction you stated a vehicle would physically need to change lanes to enter the M62 Westbound. If they remained in the inside lane they would come off at the Ponty/Cas exit.
