albion1971:
carryfast I understand speed differentials perfectly well probably more than most although that is another matter.I have also driven on many autobahns.
What I do not understand is how any other vehicle can suddenly just appear right in front of you without you seeing it first unless you are not keeping a safe distance or not paying close attention.
Vehicles do not just suddenly appear in front of you! and if somehow one did as I said before you brake or take avoiding action but judging by the impact it does not look like that happened in this case.
Vehicles can ‘suddenly’ ‘appear’ just in front of you with a massive speed differential assuming that you’re unlucky enough to be in lane 1 of a motorway,just as someone who’s read a motorway sign,giving directions for the motorway,at the start of an exit slip road,decides to pull across from the seperate lane that’s been set aside for said exit slip road very close in front of you.
IE the truck driver wouldn’t have been keeping any safe distance ‘behind’ the mini bus because at that point the mini bus wouldn’t even have been travelling ahead of the truck in the same lane.It ‘would’ have been in the seperate lane to left of lane 1 of the motorway that was set aside for the exit slip road.It would ‘then’ have then crossed the dividing chevrons into the path of the truck.
The mini bus driver having been directed to do so by the ridiculously placed final set of direction signs.In which case it really would be safer all round if they weren’t there so that anyone who’s in the wrong lane heading for the exit slip road at that point stays there.
By the way albion I’m wondering if you’re making the mistake of thinking that the place where the vehicles have come to rest would have been where the accident started.
FarnboroughBoy11:
I just hope all the final details are released but as I’ve said before, the
full investigation on fatals like this are never usually released are they?
They are reported but i mean i want to see a full thorough investigation
made public like the same one that is presented in front of the coroner.
Absolutely correct.
My mate is in the Merchant Navy. Every collision or other incident at sea is
fully investigated and every aspect is fully reported on and published. No holds barred.
We should have the same kind of Police/ Highways Agency Accident Reports so
that we may learn from other’s failures, mistakes or recklessness.
They could improve a couple of sessions of the DriverCPC !
The accident reports could be analysed, dissected, discussed and digested by
a bunch of professional Drivers in the classroom who should find something
to agree on !
Agreed 100%, specially the last bit.
Marine version:
Air version:
and fascinating they are, too. Not being ghoulish, just a genuine interest, particularly from an engineering point of view.
Now let us see. Which bus was it from the options given?
The 8 seater, the 16 seater, the 35 seater or the 49 seater?
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Hiya… they may have hired a 20 seater in… no one would squeeze 4 extra passangers in. would they!!!
Like i went to kenya in the late 80’s it said on the bus 73 sitting 101 standing… honest. and it was stagecoach.
the Mazda pickup’s are great about 25 passangers.
John
Sorry carryfast I think we will have to agree to disagree.
It would ‘then’ have then crossed the dividing chevrons into the path of the truck.
If that was the case why would you not see that happening and why would you not do something about it?
I doubt the severe impact that caused so much damage to the bus was caused by a situation like you mention.
The truck driver would have had time to react in that situation surely.
erfguy:
The Trucknet Barristers and Lawyers are doing well as usual, Page 9 and no agreement yet. Eddie.
Forums are for discussions why not give us your point of view?
As has been said we will probably never know the outcome.Unless it can be proved it was one drivers bad mistake the chances are no one will be charged.They are far too soft on drivers in this country.
albion1971:
Sorry carryfast I think we will have to agree to disagree.
It would ‘then’ have then crossed the dividing chevrons into the path of the truck.
If that was the case why would you not see that happening and why would you not do something about it?
I doubt the severe impact that caused so much damage to the bus was caused by a situation like you mention.
The truck driver would have had time to react in that situation surely.
Don’t forget to factor in that speed differential issue and the amount of room and time involved.The driver does seem to have ‘done something about it’ having obviously tried to avoid the accident by moving away from the mini bus as it entered his path which would probably have been a better option than trying to just brake.
However I’m not discounting your theory either but the speed differential issue and the position of the truck doesn’t seem consistent with a typical nose to tail shunt in lane 1.From my own point of view I think the truck driver would have admitted it if the accident had been his fault having known the results of it.
Maybe the trailer on the mini bus came detatached from said vheicle and the truck driver swerved to miss the trailer and collided with the mini bus. Just a thought
Carryfast:
The driver does seem to have ‘done something about it’ having obviously tried to avoid the accident by moving away from the mini bus as it entered his path which would probably have been a better option than trying to just brake.
It would appear so and that would of course be instinct, however, it may well have been less consequential if he’d hit the bus square on.
tango boy:
Maybe the trailer on the mini bus came detatached from said vheicle and the truck driver swerved to miss the trailer and collided with the mini bus. Just a thought
tango boy:
Maybe the trailer on the mini bus came detatached from said vheicle and the truck driver swerved to miss the trailer and collided with the mini bus. Just a thought
What trailer? The bus was not drawing a trailer. Neither was anyone else involved. (except the semi tailer on the artic).
albion1971:
Come come carryfast thought you would have known as a driver if you have an accident you never admit to it being your fault!
Knowing the results of the mistake,assuming that it was caused by driver error,in this case I think it would be a duty on whoever made that mistake to admit to it.
Just a thought 
What trailer? The bus was not drawing a trailer. Neither was anyone else involved.