M25

Found this on Facebook.
Gemma Elsey-Kail‎Argos
I broke down on the M25 today in an area with no hard shoulder. I rushed to get my baby and 4 year old onto the verge while cars and trucks were swerving all around us. Then Andy - an Argos delivery driver - pulled behind us using his visible lorry as a way of preventing anyone going into our car. He put himself at risk and waited with us in the freezing cold in just a t-shirt until the police could get us somewhere safe. I didn’t get his number in all the panic so hopefully this can somehow reach him. He was our hero today and I’m so grateful amazing people like him exist. Thank you! ■■■

SWEDISH BLUE:
Found this on Facebook.
Gemma Elsey-Kail‎Argos
I broke down on the M25 today in an area with no hard shoulder. I rushed to get my baby and 4 year old onto the verge while cars and trucks were swerving all around us. Then Andy - an Argos delivery driver - pulled behind us using his visible lorry as a way of preventing anyone going into our car. He put himself at risk and waited with us in the freezing cold in just a t-shirt until the police could get us somewhere safe. I didn’t get his number in all the panic so hopefully this can somehow reach him. He was our hero today and I’m so grateful amazing people like him exist. Thank you! ■■■

We anit all bad it seems.

One way of getting your break if running close :wink:
Joking apart, Well done that man!!! :sunglasses: :sunglasses: :sunglasses:

While commendable I’m not so sure this was the brightest of move he could make. She was out of the car so in relative safety. Had her car have been hit by a truck then that’s what insurance is for.
But consider if it was to be hit by another car and not a truck - a car vs car would give the second driver a good chance of escaping with relatively minor injuries. If a second car was to rear end his truck instead, there would be a much higher chance of a serious injury or fatality.
If you want to help then call the police to tell them of a dangerous situation and trust them and the highways to do their job. Not only did he unnecessarily put himself in danger, he could have made a collision even more serious.

Good lad. Nice to see some positive press for his actions. :smiley:

m1cks:
While commendable I’m not so sure this was the brightest of move he could make. She was out of the car so in relative safety. Had her car have been hit by a truck then that’s what insurance is for.
But consider if it was to be hit by another car and not a truck - a car vs car would give the second driver a good chance of escaping with relatively minor injuries. If a second car was to rear end his truck instead, there would be a much higher chance of a serious injury or fatality.
If you want to help then call the police to tell them of a dangerous situation and trust them and the highways to do their job. Not only did he unnecessarily put himself in danger, he could have made a collision even more serious.

Or a car could have hit her car and punted it across the carriageway into other traffic causing far more problems.
Or a person might have driven into her car because they didn’t see it, but was able to avoid the truck as they saw it early enough.

So many variables. :smiley:

Saw something similar on the M25 last year, a car was broken down where the M3 splits it was in the middle of 5 lanes of heavy traffic.
One of them drain cleaning vehicle was pulled up behind with all the orange flashing beacons going to warning other drivers and offer some protection to the occupants.

muckles:
Saw something similar on the M25 last year, a car was broken down where the M3 splits it was in the middle of 5 lanes of heavy traffic.
One of them drain cleaning vehicle was pulled up behind with all the orange flashing beacons going to warning other drivers and offer some protection to the occupants.

You could argue that a municipal vehicle with full 360° beacons would provide a much better visual warning than just a standard demount argos motor.

just a standard demount argos motor.

Where did that come from■■?

Might have been an artic. When I was doing deliveries in a standard demount motor, IT was double manned

m1cks:

muckles:
Saw something similar on the M25 last year, a car was broken down where the M3 splits it was in the middle of 5 lanes of heavy traffic.
One of them drain cleaning vehicle was pulled up behind with all the orange flashing beacons going to warning other drivers and offer some protection to the occupants.

You could argue that a municipal vehicle with full 360° beacons would provide a much better visual warning than just a standard demount argos motor.

I agree and the car was in a far more vulnerable position, as it was in the middle of the motorway, but I wasn’t using it to justify my previous post.

And please don’t think I’m knocking what you wrote it is a fair point, but the bloke did what he thought was best at the time and fortunately everything is OK and at least one person has had some faith in human nature restored, he also might have originally pulled up when she was trying to get her child out of the car and therefore in a very dangerous position.

SWEDISH BLUE:
just a standard demount argos motor.

Where did that come from■■?

In your post she says an argos delivery driver. From that I assumed it would be home delivery which all tend to be demounts. By standard, I meant as opposed to the other vehicle I was writing about in my post which would have been fitted with flashing beacons (not something normally standard)
Could have been an artic but my point still stands regardless of what vehicle it was. It could have caused the potential for a much more serious accident. If she had still been in the car and unable to get to safety then I’d do the same but in this case she and her children were safe so there was no need to create a more dangerous situation.

muckles:
the bloke did what he thought was best at the time and fortunately everything is OK

this is what really matters

why didn’t Dudley do good andy get done for stopping on a motorway with no valid excuse? its not like plod to show any degree of gumption or perspective in these situations. if it was me or you broken down,then the same Dudley would have taken your elbows off driving past,hence manners,chivalry,or otherwise,he should have expected to get done. someones car broken down on the h/shoulder isn’t a emergency for Dudley.theres plenty of others in similar situations have been done for stopping…and if you were going to be waiting on the highways agency to be doing your job,then you would b=be needing the patience of an oyster for that to happen… :unamused:

Well done Argos man

Yeah, well done Argos man, shame some people still knocking him, despite him doing what he felt right !!

m1cks:
While commendable I’m not so sure this was the brightest of move he could make. She was out of the car so in relative safety. Had her car have been hit by a truck then that’s what insurance is for.
But consider if it was to be hit by another car and not a truck - a car vs car would give the second driver a good chance of escaping with relatively minor injuries. If a second car was to rear end his truck instead, there would be a much higher chance of a serious injury or fatality.
If you want to help then call the police to tell them of a dangerous situation and trust them and the highways to do their job. Not only did he unnecessarily put himself in danger, he could have made a collision even more serious.

That is some kind of perverse logic Would you say the same were it a fire engine instead of a truck?

well done argos chap to me a bloody big truck is easier to spot than a car so fair play to the chap.

cant believe people are having a pop, this is why driving is ruined as a job to many people too quick to jump on the what if bandwagon or the screw you am ok jack. if it was my wife and daughter in that car I would have been grateful too.

ladder49:

m1cks:
While commendable I’m not so sure this was the brightest of move he could make. She was out of the car so in relative safety. Had her car have been hit by a truck then that’s what insurance is for.
But consider if it was to be hit by another car and not a truck - a car vs car would give the second driver a good chance of escaping with relatively minor injuries. If a second car was to rear end his truck instead, there would be a much higher chance of a serious injury or fatality.
If you want to help then call the police to tell them of a dangerous situation and trust them and the highways to do their job. Not only did he unnecessarily put himself in danger, he could have made a collision even more serious.

That is some kind of perverse logic Would you say the same were it a fire engine instead of a truck?

A fire engine has lots of flashy blue lights to alert other road users to it’s presence. An Argos truck doesn’t.
War1974 - If your wife and kids were in the car then yes there would be a reason to be grateful (I’ve already said I’d do the same if the car was occupied) but the fact is the car was already empty. There was no immediate danger to it’s occupants. All this driver did was put himself and others in a position of danger.
A car rear ending a broken down car is less likely to cause an injury than a car rear ending a stationary truck.
If you can’t understand the basics of that then there’s no point trying to discuss this.

The basics are stopping suddenly potentially causes injury irrespective of what you hit There have been many emergency vehicles hit despite being lit up like the proverbial Christmas tree too Basics eh?

More evidence that “managed motorways” actually need to be managed by the main users of them - rather than the far-away suits that couldn’t be arsed to dig an extra lane and call that the new decicated hard shoulder - which is supposed to be for emergency use only after all. Surely spending millions extra just to save a single life is worth it?

Am I really only speculating when faced with a lot more accidents in the “managed” bits?
Even if the system itself is flawless - the public’s use of them is far less so. It’s always going to be easier to make some fancy idea work on paper - than with actual real people.

Who drives through red 'x’s? Who doesn’t actually slow down to less than 40 when the gantries say “20”?
Who is reluctant to get into the right hand coning-off lane “early” because it’s normally illegal for a truck to be in that lane?
Who drives on the motorways “on the limiter” in fog or on the singled-down carriageway through the cones?

As to the argos driver - he managed some third party risk in a “Judgement Call” manner - and I applaud it.
Too many people acting on their own initiative so often get slagged off for it though - don’t they?