corij:
notice that it seems its taken as gospel that the Polish guy was asleep in his truck . yeh right . thats just What He Said . with the engine running ,no way was he asleep , hes lying . only twice the legal limit he had no reason to suddenly stop there unless he intended on backing up
and when the door was opened he said all innocently “can i go now?” as if he had noticed nothing at all. LIAR .
Also noticed his supervisor [another Pole] couldnt smell alcohol on him, well he would say that,backing up a fellow countryman when push comes to shove . Your not telling me that in the month he had worked for the firm he hadnt already bent the rules and been ignored
Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m sure that the reports say that he had been stopped for 12 minutes, so where does the reversing because he’d missed his exit? Did it take him 12 minutes to find reverse?
its my guess that the traffic was so busy he had to wait. the busy traffic would also explain why the minibus stopped [because lane 2 was busy ]. if the traffic had been light the minibus would surely have just veered into lane 2 and passed on by
On our news tonght; ‘in court it was said by a witness that the Polish driver smelled of alcohol’. I thought that had already been established by tests? Witnesses aren’t always reliable though, in Matlock a few years ago a van driver pulled out of a tyre fitting place and turned the wrong way down the one way street it was on. Easily done really as there are no signs stating it is one way at the tyre place. However he hit several parked cars, some women apprehended him and came into the tyre place shouting that the guy was drunk and reeked of booze and why was he allowed to leave the premises in that state? Well I was standing behind him at the counter and neither the manager or me had noticed any alcohol smell on him but these women reckoned he and his van stunk of it so the cops were called and breathalysed him. He was stone cold sober, he had experienced a diabetic hypo through lack of food but these women still insisted to the Police that he had drink in his van. The van was searched, nothing found!
I don’t think there is much doubt in this case though?
corij:
notice that it seems its taken as gospel that the Polish guy was asleep in his truck . yeh right . thats just What He Said . with the engine running ,no way was he asleep , hes lying . only twice the legal limit he had no reason to suddenly stop there unless he intended on backing up
and when the door was opened he said all innocently “can i go now?” as if he had noticed nothing at all. LIAR .
Also noticed his supervisor [another Pole] couldnt smell alcohol on him, well he would say that,backing up a fellow countryman when push comes to shove . Your not telling me that in the month he had worked for the firm he hadnt already bent the rules and been ignored
Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m sure that the reports say that he had been stopped for 12 minutes, so where does the reversing because he’d missed his exit? Did it take him 12 minutes to find reverse?
its my guess that the traffic was so busy he had to wait. the busy traffic would also explain why the minibus stopped [because lane 2 was busy ]. if the traffic had been light the minibus would surely have just veered into lane 2 and passed on by
What a load of TOSH corij, please don’t try and make excuses for this individual Was going to use a harsher description but thought better of it. NO , WTH let’s go for it:::::: scumbag, pi§§-head, waste of space!!!
If he had missed his exit, J14, then all he had to do is go down to the next one and either come back up the M1 or come off and use the A421 back up to MK!!! And please don’t go down the route of “maybe he didn’t know the area”
corij:
notice that it seems its taken as gospel that the Polish guy was asleep in his truck . yeh right . thats just What He Said . with the engine running ,no way was he asleep , hes lying . only twice the legal limit he had no reason to suddenly stop there unless he intended on backing up
and when the door was opened he said all innocently “can i go now?” as if he had noticed nothing at all. LIAR .
Also noticed his supervisor [another Pole] couldnt smell alcohol on him, well he would say that,backing up a fellow countryman when push comes to shove . Your not telling me that in the month he had worked for the firm he hadnt already bent the rules and been ignored
Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m sure that the reports say that he had been stopped for 12 minutes, so where does the reversing because he’d missed his exit? Did it take him 12 minutes to find reverse?
its my guess that the traffic was so busy he had to wait. the busy traffic would also explain why the minibus stopped [because lane 2 was busy ]. if the traffic had been light the minibus would surely have just veered into lane 2 and passed on by
What a load of TOSH corij, please don’t try and make excuses for this individual Was going to use a harsher description but thought better of it. NO , WTH let’s go for it:::::: scumbag, pi§§-head, waste of space!!!
If he had missed his exit, J14, then all he had to do is go down to the next one and either come back up the M1 or come off and use the A421 back up to MK!!! And please don’t go down the route of “maybe he didn’t know the area”
im not making excuses for him,i stand by what i said-> that furker was intent on backing up. but after the tragedy had a few minutes to think up a story to save his skin. so he sits away from the drivers seat and pretends hes just woken up. from what iv read of the court case this seems to have been believed so far . but it dont add up- he wasnt very drunk and nobody iv ever known has gone to sleep on a motorway with the engine running .
he had no reason to suddenly stop there unless he intended on backing up
He was stopped for 12 , yes TWELVE, minutes. and if you really believe what you have just posted, ask yourself this::
Why not pull over to the hard shoulder
Better still pull over onto the hard shoulder of the on-slip and reverse up that, illegal as it is and also dangerous!
And as I’ve already said, go to the next junction.
I’ve missed junctions, but I have certainly not suddenly stopped in a live lane!!!
The whole things a very sad job. But it has to be said that, according to the papers, the minibus driver hadn’t had much sleep and put his hazzard lights on. If he had gone around him either side it would have been better than being a sitting duck with your passengers. Its also pretty evident that if the minibus had gone around the stationary truck, the fedex driver wouldn’t be alive today.
Judging by this image of the Polish guys truck leaving the scene up the sliproad ,it looks undamaged ,well the whole outfit its rolling and looks straight.im a bit suprised at that ,makes me think mr fedex more of ran over the minibus as it changed lanes [was it forced to? as the truck engaged reverse ,who knows ] rather than .as reported, ran smack bang into both
mattecube:
Stated in court today by Wagstaffes mate that they had been on the phone for 54 minutes when Wagstaffes phone just went dead.
No doubt it’ll come out that it was a nightly occurrence. Doing their run while chatting all night. Lads at my place do it. Just drive around all shift talking nonsense to each other. Prosecutors will be trying to use it against Mr. Wagstaff to show a pattern of careless.
pierrot 14:
Corij, you are a fool !! Sorry but you are!
he had no reason to suddenly stop there unless he intended on backing up
He was stopped for 12 , yes TWELVE, minutes. and if you really believe what you have just posted, ask yourself this::
Why not pull over to the hard shoulder
Better still pull over onto the hard shoulder of the on-slip and reverse up that, illegal as it is and also dangerous!
And as I’ve already said, go to the next junction.
I’ve missed junctions, but I have certainly not suddenly stopped in a live lane!!!
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and certainly NOT FOR TWELVE minutes
so to you it makes sense does it? that he just decides randomly to pull up in that lane by the slip ,for a nap . maybe to you my theory sounds foolish,but,to me, your theory sounds unbelievable.
corij:
Judging by this image of the Polish guys truck leaving the scene up the sliproad ,it looks undamaged ,well the whole outfit its rolling and looks straight.im a bit suprised at that ,makes me think mr fedex more of ran over the minibus as it changed lanes [was it forced to? as the truck engaged reverse ,who knows ] rather than .as reported, ran smack bang into both 0
I’d guess that if it was shown that the AIM truck’s destination meant it taking that exit and any question of it reversing having missed it and the collision resulting from and during a forced lane change,by both the minibus and the Fed Ex driver trying to avoid/faced with a reversing vehicle,all happening at the same time,the Fed Ex driver probably would have been advised to plead innocent to all charges.
While the scenario of just ran into the stationary minibus pushing it into the AIM truck seems to be an accepted fact of the case hence the guilty to dbcd plea ?.
corij:
Judging by this image of the Polish guys truck leaving the scene up the sliproad ,it looks undamaged ,well the whole outfit its rolling and looks straight.im a bit suprised at that ,makes me think mr fedex more of ran over the minibus as it changed lanes [was it forced to? as the truck engaged reverse ,who knows ] rather than .as reported, ran smack bang into both 0
Please corij, go get a reality check, that picture was taken on the slip road, the accident happened in Lane ONE of the motorway!! It has been moved there after the accident! You say it looks undamaged ,well the whole outfit its rolling and looks straight.im a bit suprised at that That’s probably because the photo is of the front, the accident happened at the rear of the trailer, maybe they should have posted a picture of the rear of the trailer just to show you all the damage and carnage, maybe a little bit of blood and guts to prove to you that the AIM driver was involved, FFS, because he stopped in lane 1. It sounds like you are supporting, defending the AIM driver, even to a point that he wasn’t involved
pierrot 14:
Corij, you are a fool !! Sorry but you are!
he had no reason to suddenly stop there unless he intended on backing up
He was stopped for 12 , yes TWELVE, minutes. and if you really believe what you have just posted, ask yourself this::
Why not pull over to the hard shoulder
Better still pull over onto the hard shoulder of the on-slip and reverse up that, illegal as it is and also dangerous!
And as I’ve already said, go to the next junction.
I’ve missed junctions, but I have certainly not suddenly stopped in a live lane!!!
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and certainly NOT FOR TWELVE minutes
so to you it makes sense does it? that he just decides randomly to pull up in that lane by the slip ,for a nap . maybe to you my theory sounds foolish,but,to me, your theory sounds unbelievable.
And as for this comment , I never ever mentioned that I thought that he’d stopped there for a nap, and I don’t think that it’s been reported as that anywhere else, except maybe in his statement./ FFS he was twice over the drink drive limit.!!!
Sorry but saying he’d missed the junction is just ridiculous. Full stop.
IF he’d missed his junction, then J13 is about 5 mikes away. In 12 minutes he could have gone to 13 and come back up.
ALSO
IMO. The minibus driver is as much at fault as the Fedex man. Stopping behind a lorry in Lane 1, when there’s a hard shoulder to your left and lane 2 that was moving well to your right? Besides the fact he has a greater duty of care due to the passengers he had on board. They are his first and main responsibility and he failed them. If he had survived I have no doubt he would also be charged.
Please corij, go get a reality check, that picture was taken on the slip road, the accident happened in Lane ONE of the motorway!! It has been moved there after the accident! You say it looks undamaged ,well the whole outfit its rolling and looks straight.im a bit suprised at that That’s probably because the photo is of the front, the accident happened at the rear of the trailer, maybe they should have posted a picture of the rear of the trailer just to show you all the damage and carnage, maybe a little bit of blood and guts to prove to you that the AIM driver was involved, FFS, because he stopped in lane 1. It sounds like you are supporting, defending the AIM driver, even to a point that he wasn’t involved
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you misunderstand me. im not supporting the Pole,far from it. what im theorising is that he was driving along,beered up as per usual, [twice over isnt legless] and he missed his turn for whatever reason. stops but cant back up as the traffics busy so holds his position,waiting . this theory is backed up by other posters mentioning seen an AIM truck taking that very turn off / another poster seen a truck back up [elsewhere] to retake a slip. now i know itd make more sense to just drive on another 5 miles and take a roundabout route back, but ,to my mind,he didnt want to do that. to my mind,the theory that he just decided to pull up ,half cut, and sleep it off with engine running dont make sense. also after being involved in a crash and minutes later acting bemused thats all part of his act,feigning innocence
iv had my say on it now -im hoping the polish guy get a real shocker of a sentence .
mattecube:
Stated in court today by Wagstaffes mate that they had been on the phone for 54 minutes when Wagstaffes phone just went dead.
No doubt it’ll come out that it was a nightly occurrence. Doing their run while chatting all night. Lads at my place do it. Just drive around all shift talking nonsense to each other. Prosecutors will be trying to use it against Mr. Wagstaff to show a pattern of careless.
I am sure they will and I doubt they will stop at carelessness. Nobody is dead till Wagstaffe arrives.
Rick W: for the preceeding 15 mins everyone else drove round him apart from the indian who obviously wasnt hardly paying anymore attention than the fedex as he was stopped behind him. if he was paying attention then he would have driven round him like everyone else.
You were not there so you are only surmising the situation like many others were doing immediately after the accident on this forum.
Not really wise as you could certainly be very wrong and could easily offend if certain people read your views.
Given that there was a lorry in lane one for around ten minutes and no one else had struck them, I think it’s fair to say that everyone else went round the obstruction.
I also think that the only difference between the minibus driver and the Fed ex driver is that the bus driver stopped. Given the position of the bus when it was struck, that can’t be in doubt either.
In ANY incident, there is a chain of events that lead up to it. Break that chain at any point, and the incident doesn’t happen. Now I’m not defending either lorry driver here, but the bus driver made a mistake and found themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that contributed to the collision.
And the Fedex driver could have been the one killed as he ploughed into the back of the AIM Logistics truck…
corij:
stopping just after the slip makes me wonder had he the polish guy missed the turnoff and was waiting for a chance to back up. that might figure why the minibus stopped behind him,if his reversing lights were on or if he was even reversing - might be why hes in the jacknife position -mr minibus wouldnt be sure what to do hence put his 0hazaerds on
No the jack-knife is a consequence of the force of the minibus being rammed up the back of his trailer.
I don’t for one minute think that the investigators of this accident are stupid and I imagine one of the earliest lines of enquiry would be as to where the AIM vehicle was heading to. That information would give them a pretty good idea as to whether or not the AIM driver had missed his junction or not.
Blue Day:
Sorry but saying he’d missed the junction is just ridiculous. Full stop.
IF he’d missed his junction, then J13 is about 5 mikes away. In 12 minutes he could have gone to 13 and come back up.
ALSO
IMO. The minibus driver is as much at fault as the Fedex man. Stopping behind a lorry in Lane 1, when there’s a hard shoulder to your left and lane 2 that was moving well to your right? Besides the fact he has a greater duty of care due to the passengers he had on board. They are his first and main responsibility and he failed them. If he had survived I have no doubt he would also be charged.
